JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Patrick Differ]

Ruby knew Trafficante from his days in Chicago. He visited Trafficante in Tresconia Prison in 1959 where Castro had locked him up. Ruby also shipped guns to Lewis McWillie who was Trafficante's former Manager of the Tropicana in Havana. The HSCA concluded Ruby was a MOB courier.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Carlos Marcello controlled gambling and prostitution in Dallas.To think Ruby wasn't affiliated with the MOB, on some level, is absurd There is no way that Ruby could have run any of this without giving the MOB their cut. None.

That would mean that every shopkeeper who paid protection money was ‘affiliated’ to the Mob. And every member of the Teamsters Union were ‘affiliated’ to the Mob. Everyone that paid money back to a loan shark was ‘affiliated’ to the Mob. Ruby was a nightclub owner in the 60’s. Of course he’s going to mix with mobsters and crooks in some way. It doesn’t make him Al Capone though.

[Patrick Differ]

Carlos Marcello controlled gambling and prostitution in Dallas.To think Ruby wasn't affiliated with the MOB, on some level, is absurd There is no way that Ruby could have run any of this without giving the MOB their cut. None.

[Doctored Whatsit]

To suggest that Jack Ruby was a mobster who was told to kill Oswald to silence him flies in the face of all of the known evidence.

And let’s remember…even after being handed the death penalty, Ruby never made any accusations against the Dallas police or anyone else. Would he have kept silence with the people who had double-crossed him? Ruby even gave an inscribed and signed copy of the Warren Report to the officer whose testimony was most damning to him. He also tried to give him his watch and gun.

Finally, Ruby, as everyone who knew him would say, absolutely loved his dog Sasha. And yet we are expected to believe that he just left her in the car knowing that he was unlikely to escape from a basement full of cops? Nonsense.


We have absolute proof that this wasn’t a planned event.

I am particularly impressed by the fact that Ruby took a nine hour polygraph test, and was said to have "passed with flying colours". Whilst not absolutely conclusive, this is powerful evidence.

[GBinOz]

After assassinating the POTUS Oswald takes the trouble to conceal his weapon before being confronted on the 2nd floor by Marrion Baker. He is a calm, not out of breath, and appears surprised.

A design feature of the Carcano was that the ammo clip fell out of the rifle when the last round was loaded into the chamber, so Oswald presumably also takes the trouble to retrieve the clip and replace it in the rifle without getting finger prints on the clip, but not not take the trouble to pick up the incriminating shell casings which should have ejected behind him rather than way out in front of his position at the window. He also manages to get from the sixth floor to the second floor without being seen or heard by the men on the fifth floor, the woman on the fourth floor or the two women going down the stairs at the same time. One wonders where he may have hidden the large package with the dis-assembled rifle in it, and when he had the time to re-assemble it without getting finger prints all over it.

[GBinOz]

Senator Richard Schwenker received confirmation from J. Edgar Hoover that Oswald was an FBI informant.

In his role on the Church Commission Schweiker found that J. Edgar Hoover had written to Rankin saying that Jack Ruby had, in 1959, acted as a confidential informant for the FBI.

The Church committee found top secret documents showing that the CIA were plotting with the Mafia to kill Castro under the directorship of Dulles without Presidential authorisation. Schweiker stated his opinion that the Warren Commission had "collapsed like a house of cards", was set up at the time "to feed pablum to the American people", and was one of the biggest cover-ups in US history.

[cobalt]

The timing is an interesting one. Enough evidence places Oswald on the lower floors of the TSB at 12.15.
By his own admission Bonnie Ray Williams left the 6th floor at around that time after eating his chicken sandwich and gulping some coke. So it was very fine timing by calculating old Lee to be leaving things so late, especially given that the motorcade was planned to pass by at 12.20. Surely he had set up the 'sniper's nest' before then. But Bonnie Ray was oblivious to all around him? No wonder 20 year old Bonnie Ray, an African American, was a friendly witness.

Fine timing number two. After assassinating the POTUS Oswald takes the trouble to conceal his weapon before being confronted on the 2nd floor by Marrion Baker. He is a calm, not out of breath, and appears surprised. Gary Oldman could not have done a better job.

Fine timing number three. Oswald attempts to leave on a bus but decides against this as traffic is so slow. Within minutes of his doing so armed police enter the bus. Good timing once again by Lee.

Fine timing number four. LHO leaves his rooming house at around 1.03 by general consent. To kill JD Tippit at 1.15 he would have to be a real athlete for sure. If we accept the likelier time of 1.09 it is impossible unless he was driven there.

Fine timing number five. LHO decides to ask for a jersey before being transferred to the County Jail, we are told. Bad timing Lee.

[Patrick Differ]

Condescending remarks aside.. David Ferrie was Oswalds Civil Air Patrol commander in 1955. He was also a private investigator for Carlos Marcello and a known CIA informer for Guy Bannister. The New Orleans FPCC was run out of the CIA Camp Street address. These Are proven facts.

But Oswald, who was a Ferrie subordinate never had any connection with the CIA. Eventhough he was interacting with them in New Orleans, the center of all Anti Castro activity.

The Warren Commission at this point is laughable. It only took 4 months to investigate the most important crime of the 20th Century. Right. A slam dunk. It was an incomplete force with NO Standard of Proof whatsoever. So if you WC folks believe there was A Standard of Proof? Then how do you explain the fact that the WC never investigated Oswalds relationships?
Didn't happen, David Ferrie is a perfect example.

Senator Richard Schweiker received confirmation from J. Edgar Hoover that Oswald was an FBI informant.

Ruby had ties to Mafioso Paul Jones in Chicago in 1946. The Dallas Police confirmed that Ruby ran guns and was into prostitution. That was all controlled by the MOB and was all anti Castro Activity.

Robert Blakey thought Oswald was a Mob hit. Ruby also had serious ties to Trafficante. The CIA collided with Him, Giancana and Roselli to kill Castro. Ruby made over 100 calls to Mob Associates from September to November 1963.

If you want to paint these facts as conspiracy theory and the WC as Gospel then you are living in 1964. There are many many researchers, witnesses that have come forward and connected many dots.

Was Oswald CIA? He interacted with known assets.
Was Ruby in the Mob? The HSCA admitted Ruby had many high level MOB connections. He ran guns, gambling and prostitutes. All Mob controlled.

The Military Industrial Complex? Halliburton, Lockheed, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman...you mean the guys who brought us U2's and Blackbirds??? It's the biggest Biz on the planet.

But its all a Conspiracy Theory so says the government...let it be written..let it be done.

[Herlock Sholmes]

To suggest that Jack Ruby was a mobster who was told to kill Oswald to silence him flies in the face of all of the known evidence.

As we all know, Ruby went to the Western Union office to send some money to one of his dancers. There was one customer ahead of him in the queue. If there had been two, or if the one customer had come up against any issue that made their transaction a minute or two longer to complete or if, for example, the clerk had been interrupted by a phone call then Ruby would have been too late to kill Oswald. Ruby’s money order and the receipt were both stamped at 11.17. The O’Neal funeral home logged the call from the police for an ambulance at 11.21.

The Western Union clerk, Doyle Lane, said that he only spoke to Ruby very briefly but he said that he appeared calm and was in no hurry as he saw him leave. How could he not have been in a hurry?

The distance from the Western Union Office to where Oswald was shot was 454.5 feet. At the pace that Lane saw Ruby walking it would have taken him one minute thirty five seconds to travel the route.

So how long was Ruby in that basement before shooting Oswald. Local TV station KRLD handed the tape of their recording over to the Dallas Police. Lieutenant’s Wallace and McCaghren submitted their report to Chief Curry. They timed Ruby from when Lieutenant Pierce’s car left the basement passing Ruby as he came down until Oswald was shot twice for accuracy and got 56 seconds both times. An NBC newsman testified before the WC that he’d seen Ruby coming down the Main Street ramp and said that it was no more than fifteen to thirty seconds before Oswald was shot. Ruby himself said that he’d seen Oswald emerge just as he’d reached the bottom of the ramp.

If Ruby was a Mafia hit man how could he have cut things so fine? This would also have required the police’s involvement, including Captain Fritz, or how else would they have been sure that Oswald wasn’t taken slightly earlier? How can this make sense? It doesn’t of course. If Ruby was a killer employed by the Mafia he’d have been there at least five minutes earlier. Letting down the Mob is never a good idea. No one knew exactly what time Oswald was being moved. The only reference was made by Chief Curry who had told the Press if the got there by 10.00 at the earliest they would be in time to see Oswald.

Then we have Forrest Sorrels, agent in charge of the Dallas Secret Service, who said that when Oswald was told that he was being moved “he requested that he be permitted to get a shirt out of…the clothes that had been brought in, that belonged to him, because the shirt that he was wearing at the time he was apprehended was taken, apparently for laboratory examination. And so Captain Fritz sent out and got his clothes and, as I recall it, he selected a dark colored kind of sweater type shirt…then he was taken out.” So this added one or two minutes to the time. If it hadn’t happened Oswald would have been gone.

Then we have the contribution of US postal Harry D. Holmes. He decided to go in and see if he could help Captain Fritz (Holmes made the decision on the spur of the moment as he was about to go to church with his family) Oswald morning interrogation was due to end at 10.00 but it went on much longer mainly due to Holmes taking part. The part of the interview that was conducted by Holmes is on record and is considerable. If Holmes hadn’t turned up and added his questioning of Oswald the interview would have ended much earlier.

The only information available was that Oswald was due to be transferred at 10.00. The call from Karen Carlin to Jack Ruby on his home phone was logged at 10.17. Ruby’s room mate said that after the call Ruby shaved and got ready and didn’t leave until around 11.00.

Conspiracy theorists like Anthony Summers have tried to accuse Dallas Police officers of being ‘in on it’ due to supposedly strange behaviour. The four usually cited are Sergeant Patrick Dean (in charge of securing the basement) and three of his men, Officer William Harrison, Detective Louis D. Miller and Lieutenant George Butler. To do this they use the usual trick of trying to rewrite the actual evidence to suit the the theory. An example of this is that just after 8.00 Harrison and Miller went to the Deluxe Diner (near the station) for coffee. Anthony Summers wrote that Miller testified that while they were there “Officer Harrison received a telephone call from an unknown person.” He used quotation marks but this wasn’t what Miller actually said. Miller testified “When the person that works there at the diner answered the phone, he said, ‘Phone for one of you.’ Officer Harrison answered it and came back to the counter and said we were to come back to the office as soon as we finished eating and were to remain there until further notice.” Question: “Did he tell you who made the telephone call?” Answer: “No, sir, he never did, and I never did ask him.” Question: “Do you know whether it was somebody from the police department that made that call?” Answer: “I presumed it was.” So clearly it wasn’t a mysterious unknown person, it was just a person that was unknown to Miller. Harrison testified that it was from Charles Goolsby at the station.

Conspiracy theorists won’t let up though. In his book The Ruby Cover Up, Seth Kantor said that Harrison was given a polygraph concerning his movements that morning as they might have included Ruby and that the results were “not conclusive.” Kantor provides absolutely no source for this suggestion though. The only evidence of Harrison being given a polygraph came from Lieutenant Jack Revill who said that Harrison was given one concerning Ruby’s location before he shot Oswald. Harrison passed the test.

Dallas Police, concerned about their failure to protect Oswald and being aware of the ‘whispers’ undertook an extensive investigation and found no evidence of any complicity between any police officer and Jack Ruby.

And let’s remember…even after being handed the death penalty, Ruby never made any accusations against the Dallas police or anyone else. Would he have kept silence with the people who had double-crossed him? Ruby even gave an inscribed and signed copy of the Warren Report to the officer whose testimony was most damning to him. He also tried to give him his watch and gun.

Finally, Ruby, as everyone who knew him would say, absolutely loved his dog Sasha. And yet we are expected to believe that he just left her in the car knowing that he was unlikely to escape from a basement full of cops? Nonsense.


We have absolute proof that this wasn’t a planned event.

[cobalt]

The FBI and CIA both had files on Oswald and Ruby before the assassination.

198 pages worth on Oswald according to one commentator who is trawling through the recent released files. That's about 197 pages more than those who dismiss Oswald as a 'nobody.'

Interesting to see Robert Oswald quoted as a reliable source from Fiver who in his previous post said that the Oswald household was 'toxic' due to an uninterested/overindulgent mother.

I've no problem with Oswald's behaviour, attitudes or previous conduct being thrown into the mix if it is relevant to supporting the WC theory that he was a Lone Gunman. His political opinions, familiarity with weaponry, FPFC canvassing are all fair game in that regard. His marital situation, employment record don't fall into that category without a fair dash of psychobabble. For example, Oswald's work record at the TSBD was considered to be perfectly adequate. Clear evidence surely that he was lying low before making his big move? But if he had been considered a lazy scoundrel who spent his days dodging duties we would be told that such behaviour is typical of the rejected malcontent liable to commit assassination.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That post was like a conspiracy theorist manual of operation.

FPCC
Davie Ferrie
Clay Shaw
New Orleans
Cold War
General ‘insert a name’

You missed out ‘military industrial complex ‘ blah, blah.

All entirely unconnected to the Kennedy assassination which was provably committed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting entirely alone.

You should look at the facts before deciding who might have had a motive for Kennedy’s death.

He attempted to kill General Walker
He threatened to go after Nixon with a gun
He defected to the USA’s main enemy threatening to give away secrets
He had proven mental health issues
Acted entirely differently and strangely pre-assassination
His gun killed Kennedy
His prints were on it
He was seen at the 6th floor window by more than one person
Not one single person saw an assassin elsewhere
The place suggested as the second gunman spot was impossible to escape from unseen
Oswald fled the scene and was desperate to get away from Dealey Plaza
Oswald lied his a**e off after the murder
He killed Tippit witnessed by numerous people
He had the murder weapon on him when arrested
The autopsy, x-ray photos, x-rays, Zapruder film, autopsy pathologists and 14 others ALL confirmed that Kennedy was shot from behind
The autopsy photos, x-rays and Zapruder films have been minutely examined by numerous experts and found entirely genuine

Yes…the d I fence is on the CT side

[Patrick Differ]

Fair Play for Cuba Committee or FPCC was a CIA counterintelligence program to play both sides of the pro and anti Castro groups. Set up and infiltrated.

Oswald has already been tied to David Ferrie and Guy Bannister as well as Clay Shaw. Oswald even used their address on the FPCC Leaflets. So he used the local CIA address in New Orleans.

How many Oswalds types did the CIA set up with the same scenario as Dallas? High powered rifle from a tall building?
Try Chicago, Tampa, Miami, LA, and San Antonio. And they all had chosen Patsys from the FPCC, and like Oswald, were from the military.

It's unfortunate that there was more effort that was put into Oswald than what was legally required to find the truth. Ruby saw to that.

In the United States the legal system requires a " Standard of Proof" or preponderance of evidence in order to go to trial.
Neither the WC or HSCA did anything more than collect data ( and not all the data, only enough to convict the chosen one) and base their conclusions on that alone. They failed in both of these requirements as 60 years of research clearly shows.

I have yet to hear the WC folks comment on the fact that Kennedy and Connally were misaligned by 6 to 10 inches across the horizontal in comparison to a shot from above, on an acute angle, offset by half a body length ( clearly seen in the Zapruder film - seating arrangement)

The WC never put Oswald in the window with a gun and that frustrated Fritz. There are no credible witnesses that did eventhough the WC claims it found one. In fact there is eyewitness evidence that places Oswald on the 1st and 2nd floors at 12:15 and 12:25 and on the 2nd floor 78 seconds after Kennedy was shot.

Oswald was known to get change for his soft drink with lunch. The secretary he got it from at 12:25 was never asked to testify by anyone. How come?

There are many serious questions regarding chain of custody of evidence in this case. Never investigated.

The WC collected information on the outcome it had to have.
Right down to an absurd magic bullet theory that Paul Landis and FBI Agents said never happened.

In 1963 the CIA was considered too powerful and rogue by JFK. As President he was seen as weak on Communism and in the Fall of 1963 the CIA and FBI communicated the risk to Kennedy, yet did nothing about it. He was a marked man.

ANother perspective on 1963 was Castro and whether they could blame Castro for someone like Oswald. The same Oswald handing out FPCC Leaflets out of the CIA Camp Street office in New Orleans?

General Curtis LeMay and other Cold War Generals would have Nuked Moscow if they had a chance. To them it was just another bomb. Another sobering reality in 1963.

Who was responsible for the Carpet Bombing of Japan and then Vietnam? Curtis LeMay.

It was a different time and the Cold Warriors were not normal human beings.

[Herlock Sholmes]

There is no evidence that Oswald worked for the CIA. That the FBI and CIA had files on Oswald provides us with the source of the idea of conspiracy. Both agencies were keen to distance themselves from the man that they knew about and yet still went on to murder Kennedy. Agency a**e covering led to CT’s thinking that they were ‘in on it’ when they clearly weren’t.

[Patrick Differ]

The FBI and CIA both had files on Oswald and Ruby before the assassination. If people can recall Oswald on New Orleans TV handing out Leaflets for FPCC, that was a proven CIA counter intelligence operation. Ruby was a known low level Mafia owned flunky who ran guns and prostitution for Marcello.

The Warren Commission picked and chose what witnesses they wanted to interview. Like the guy who saw a bald guy in the 6th floor window, while it ignored the 2 FBI Agents at the Bethesda Autopsy.

It will come out.

[GBinOz]

That’s twice in two days George. People will start thinking it strange.
Quite so....should we be concerned?

The problem for me with that would be the same as for a gunman at the standard picket fence location. Apologies for list of questions but it’s the best way of putting it I think.

1. How could he have remained out of sight? All of those people looking from both sides of Elm Street toward the car.
Not really relevant to my theory, as I don't think that a shot from the knoll actually hit the President. While people's attention was entirely focused on the President, and there was the distraction of the TSBD shots, many people still ran towards the grassy knoll.

2. How come none of the men on the overpass heard or saw anything if the shot came from even closer to them than had previously been suggested (a matter of feet)?
We're not talking a matter of feet. The trajectory cone is well away from the men on the overpass.


3. How come none of the witnesses (as far as I can recall) mention hearing a shot from that direction?
Distraction and a suppressor on the rifle.

4. How did the gunman escape the scene, with a rifle, without being seen?
The Cancellare photo shows a vehicle parked in the carpark at the south knoll within the trajectory cone. Take the shot(s), start the engine and drive away - gone with a couple of minutes. (See links below).

5. How come the bullet fragments were found in the front of the car? They would surely have found Fiester’s bullet, at the very least, on Kennedy’s seat?

The bullet fragments in the front of the limo were from a military jacketed projectile. The projectile from the south knoll would, IMO, have been a frangible 55gr projectile fired at high velocity (4000fps) from a rifle such as a 220 Swift. On contact with a skull there is a back spatter that is momentarily created by the "jet effect", which produces a backward motion away from the direction of the projectile, but is then replaced by the release of kinetic energy that produces the debris trail in the direction of motion of the projectile. This results in the backwards and (due to the tangential strike) to the left. Frangible projectiles are designed to disintegrate and leave a trail of tiny fragments as has been observed by radiologists such as Mantik who have been allowed, on many occasions, to access the original x-rays in the archives.

What concerns me is whether a tangential strike on the skull could produce the offset debris pattern that struck Hargis. Sherry Fiester used a billiards analogy where the cue ball can strike another ball tangentially and produce a motion of the stuck ball that does not coincide with that of the cue ball, but I wonder if this analogy transfers to debris trails. I feel sure that this question would have been addressed in relation to this, or other cases, but I have not yet acquired knowledge of such research.

I have posted these links before, but you may not have felt inclined to view them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_VpUbJQuRc&rco=1&ab_channel=SouthKnollInv estigations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8emNECYgmg&t=3979s&ab_channel=%E3%82%A8%E 3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%83%92%E3%83% 87%E3%83%AB