JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[GBinOz]

The sketch here illustrates serious problems with the WC. It does not matter what Parkland said as they had only 20 minutes to perform life saving techniques. Their were first impressions of wounds based on their experience that do not match WC findings...which were incomplete. Trauma Doctors are not inexperienced and these certainly were not.

The sketch shows the offsets and illustrates how the Single Bullet simply does not align on the vertical and horizontal planes. Plus the acute angles from above and to the sides were acute and moving.

Yet the government would have you believe there was a perfect alignment in this case. If that's true then please explain how?
unfortunately Humes did not trace the bullet path in the throat.

I know i keep repeating but so are the posts.

Patrick, the answer from the WC is simply...the truth can be adjusted.

The back wound being lower than the throat wound makes the SBT implausible? No problem. Just move the back wound up to the neck.

Connally being seated in front of the president makes the SBT implausible? No problem. Just move Connally's position 10" towards the centre of the car.

The position of a rear shot low on the skull would result in an unobserved exit wound in the face. No problem. Just move the position of the bullet wound.




Then this diagram can be proffered as a solution:



Just overlook the inconvenient fact that this diagram leaves the Harper fragment undamaged and the Temporal bone, clearly seen flapping in the Zapruder film, undamaged.





Zapruder film shows rear exit wound. No problem. Just deny it.



Ignore primary evidence from Boswell, Finck, Sibert, O'Neill, Bennett, Hill etc as "mistaken" in favour of lawyer interviews forty years after the event.

That said, the reconstruction model below is said to reflect what Humes stated that he saw:



It is this model that leads me to consider a shot from the front through the temple with the exit wound in the occipital, followed very quickly by a shot from the rear causing the injury to the top of the skull. IMO this sequence is visible in the Zapruder film.

YMMV.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Picture the scene. It’s 1pm on November 22nd 1963 and with great sadness Dr. Kemp Clark pronounced President John F. Kennedy dead after 22 minutes of frantic but ultimately futile effort, by a team of largely inexperienced doctors, to try and save his life. More than a few tears are shed and there’s an atmosphere of sombre disbelief in Parkland’s Trauma Room One.

The terrible silence is then broken again by Dr. Clark. “Ok, ladies and gentleman form an orderly queue because we don’t have much time before they remove the corpse.”

The staff form a queue which stretches around the room and into the corridor before the slow procession starts. At a jaunty pace they all walk past the table and as each one passed Dr. Clark lifted up the President’s head so that they could all get a good close look. Especially grateful are those doctors who had been situated at Kennedy’s feet or next to the lower half of the body or in areas behind doctors who were directly next to the table as they had never been able to get a good close view of the bloody mass. One of the Doctor’s is heard to say “Damn! If I’d only brought my camera with me.”

For future reference Clark makes a note to request a supply of glass top tables for trauma rooms to the hospital’s administration so that in future cases like this staff would be able to quickly duck under the table to view any potential back of the head wounds. This was the kind of spirit that was abroad at Parkland. They even considered any kind of future help that they might be able to provide for pathologists at other hospitals who might perhaps fail to spot cavernous head wounds whilst in the process of closely examining things like… well, head wounds.

In a later debrief Clark would question those young doctors about what they had seen at the back of Kennedy’s head.

“Well…nothing…he was lying on it so we couldn’t see,” said one keen, but nervous, young intern.


“Don’t be a smart arse!” replied Clark “What about all of that blood and gore and matted hair where his head rested on the table?”


“Well actually we thought it was blood and gore and matted hair from the wound above his right ear which had run down and made it look like there was a back of the head wound.”


Clark looked crestfallen. Then irritated.


“Don’t be stupid. Look, it was a wound…ok.”


“It guess it must have been,” said an anonymous voice from the back of the room.




‘This previous unreleased secretly recorded Iand certainly not faked) version of what went on in Trauma Room One has been kept from the public for 60 years by a cabal of Militant Knollists.’


….



Fast forward 60 years.



In a town somewhere in England two men fight on a pavement (sidewalk for some) Across the road 12 people are sitting outside a pub enjoying a drink. They all look over and watch the fight. One of them men end up on the floor unconscious while the other runs away.

The police are called and the drinkers are all questioned. All twelve of them describe the fleeing man as white and around 20, 5’9” tall, fairly slim, wearing a cap and with a rucksack on his back. The police notice that the building next to the pub has a CCTV camera so they seize the relevant footage.


Back at the station…


When they look they see the fight. They see the assailant knock the other guy to the ground and flee. He is actually Asian, around 45 years of age and over 6’ tall and pretty powerfully built. He’s wearing no cap and is carrying no rucksack.


Two officers are present…


Detective Constable Bob Sensible says “Well Guv, those witnesses were obviously mistaken. Probably drunk.”


Detective Inspector Jim ‘Grassy’ Knollington replied “ Are you serious!? That CCTV footage has obviously been faked. We’re looking for a guy around 20, 5’9”, slim, wearing a cap and carrying a rucksack.”


The investigation was clearly in safe hands.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The sketch here illustrates serious problems with the WC. It does not matter what Parkland said as they had only 20 minutes to perform life saving techniques. Their were first impressions of wounds based on their experience that do not match WC findings...which were incomplete. Trauma Doctors are not inexperienced and these certainly were not.

The sketch shows the offsets and illustrates how the Single Bullet simply does not align on the vertical and horizontal planes. Plus the acute angles from above and to the sides were acute and moving.

Yet the government would have you believe there was a perfect alignment in this case. If that's true then please explain how?
unfortunately Humes did not trace the bullet path in the throat.

I know i keep repeating but so are the posts.

Zapruder film shows no rear head wound. That’s end of story. The witnesses were wrong. This isn’t a mystery.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I have presented the cover sheet from the autopsy. How is that accusative or trashing of Boswell? Is it because it doesn't represent what you consider to be the truth?

Because no one on the conspiracy side allows for human error.

The Zapruder film, the autopsy photos and the x-rays trump everything else. There is no rear head wound shown on the Zapruder film therefore even if 100 people felt that they had seen one they have to be dismissed as wrong.

[Patrick Differ]

The sketch here illustrates serious problems with the WC. It does not matter what Parkland said as they had only 20 minutes to perform life saving techniques. Their were first impressions of wounds based on their experience that do not match WC findings...which were incomplete. Trauma Doctors are not inexperienced and these certainly were not.

The sketch shows the offsets and illustrates how the Single Bullet simply does not align on the vertical and horizontal planes. Plus the acute angles from above and to the sides were acute and moving.

Yet the government would have you believe there was a perfect alignment in this case. If that's true then please explain how?
unfortunately Humes did not trace the bullet path in the throat.

I know i keep repeating but so are the posts.

[GBinOz]

You can produce any number of items and I’ll still say what’s the truth. The accusations levelled against Humes, Boswell and Finck are a pathetic, sick joke. Too many people over the years have had too little to do but try and trash the reputations of thoroughly decent men who have no stain against their characters.

I have presented the cover sheet from the autopsy. How is that accusative or trashing of Boswell? Is it because it doesn't represent what you consider to be the truth?

[Herlock Sholmes]

You can produce any number of items and I’ll still say what’s the truth. The accusations levelled against Humes, Boswell and Finck are a pathetic, sick joke. Too many people over the years have had too little to do but try and trash the reputations of thoroughly decent men who have no stain against their characters.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You have previously used the quote of "absolutely" regarding the testimony of Dr Carrico. His testimony from the Warren Commission here, but a search on "absolutely" has a zero return:

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/pdf/WH3_Carrico.pdf

What Specter does is present his wound in the back of the neck as fact (which it obviously isn't) and asks for a response based totally on the assumption that the fallacy is fact. This is typical of the devious badgering techniques used at the WC.

Mr. Specter. Permit me to add some facts which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you express an opinion. First of all, assume that the President was struck by a a 6.5 mm. copper jacketed bullet from a rifle having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,00O feet per second at a .time when the President was approximately 160 to 250 feet from the weapon, with the President being struck from the rear at a downward angle of approximately 45 degrees, being struck on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula 14 centimeters from the tip of the right acromlon process and 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process. Assume further that the missile passed through the body of the President striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the large muscles in the posterior aspect of the President’s body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity, but bruising only the apex of the right pleural cavity and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung, then causing a hematoma to the right of the larynx which you have described, and creating a jagged wound in the trachea, then exiting precisely at the point where you observe the puncture wound to exist. Now based on those facts was the appearance of the wound in your opinion consistent with being an exit wound.
Dr. Carrico. It certainly was. It could have been under the circumstances.
Mr. Specter. And assuming that all the facts which I have given you to be true, do you have an opinion with a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to whether, in fact, the wound was an entrance wound or an exit wound?
Dr. Carrico. With those facts and the fact as I understand it no other bullet was found this would be, this was, I believe, was an exit wound.

This is the autopsy cover sheet prepared by Boswell and signed off by Burkley.


It shows the throat incision and the bullet wound in the back, not the neck, which is clearly well below the neck incision. It also shows the small wound in the temple and the large wound in the occipital area at the back of the head.
Do I hear shouts of "fake" from the playground?

Who are the "17 pathologists" to whom you refer?

It was from an interview with Vince Bugliosi.

[Patrick Differ]

The Single Bullet Theory has been confirmed as possible by modern ballistic experts, such as Luke Haag.

The Single Bullet Theory is one of many ballistic theories in this case. It fails in a major respect because Humes did not complete the Autopsy in tracing it's path.

The Single Bullet Theory fails the trajectory and alignment test in terms of acute angles and alignment of Kennedy and Connally. This is also proven using technology and photographic evidence.

I agree with you Fiver that the Single Bullet would be possible. But it would have to meet certain tests as mentioned. Humes own Autopsy sketches show an offset from the back wound and throat of several inches. The sketches that show a straight line path that Humes used in his testimony was not based on photographic evidence as access was not granted.

Because Humes failed to trace the neck wound, the possibility of the throat wound being an entrance wound is Possible.

The Single Bullet became invalid because Humes failed to trace the throat wound. But Specter and the WC needed Oswald to be guilty so the Country would not have to sit through months of trials, like OJ Simpson.

[Fiver]

Just providing the evidence that proves the ''fake autopy'' photos , the Warren Commission lies , cover ups and conspiracy. .You do what you like .

You have provided no evidence. You have copy-pasted a mix of opinions and outright lies from a Conspiracist that Herlock showed has been condemned by other Conspiracists. You have posted at least four theories about the shooters that contradict each other and you still endorse all of them. You have condemned dozens of witnesses as liars, yet selectively insisted that some are telling the truth on points you agree with. You have insisted that witness accounts that contradict each other on all points agree with each other. You have accepted witness accounts that contradict themselves and contradict the evidence.

[Fiver]

As opposed to this 'Ballistic'' Expert.

The "ballistics expert" who invented the Single bullet theory was a young lawyer, Arlen Specter.

The Single Bullet Theory has been confirmed as possible by modern ballistic experts, such as Luke Haag.

[Fiver]

There you have it , you see the problem now dont you ,yet you cant even admit that much . Everywhere you look ,the Magic Bullet, the Fake Autopsy photos , the Mauser rifle, the Tippet killing slugs , the 4th kill shot bullet , the Grassy knoll etc etc what do the all have in common .? They all contradict and show the lies and inconsistancies of the Bogus Warren commission conspiracy which you fell for .

What they have in common is they keep being stated as facts by Conspiracists who repeatedly ignore evidence.

* The Single Bullet Theory is possible. Testing using actual positions show it would not have to curve to inflict JFK's throat wound and the wounds to Connally. Anything that shows it having to curve in midair is deliberately false.
* The Stretcher Bullet is not pristine. Scientific testing proved that the bullet fragments taken from Connally's wrist matched the Stretcher Bullet.
* There's also basic logic. Why would the Conspiracy plant a bullet in the first place? Why would they plant a bullet where it was almost missed? Why would they plant a lightly damaged bullet instead of a heavily damaged one?
* The autopsy photos have been proven to be real by x-ray and dental comparisons.
* The 6th floor rifle was witness by multiple people on site. It was photographed by the police before being moved. It was marked on site by the police. It was filmed by the news while it was still on the 6th floor. It was photographed by two more newsmen as it was removed from the building.
* And more basic logic - why would the Conspiracy plant the wrong rifle?
* Eyewitnesses saw the shooter manually ejecting spent shells from a revolver and replacing them. They were found by civilians, turned over to the police, and marked at the scene. Testing would show they matched the bullets that struck Tippit and that the were fired from Oswald's gun.
* No evidence for a 4th bullet was found. Only 5% of witnesses thought that they heard 4 or more shots.
* The Grassy Knoll was a poor firing position. It was impossible to make the throat shot from there. Making the head shot would have been nigh-impossible due to high lateral motion and almost no time to lead the target. It also required blind luck to not hit any of the bystanders in the head. It would have struck JFK in the side of the head, so brain matter and bullet fragments would have been projected to JFK's left, yet all evidence shows the brain matter and bullet fragments were projected forward. A Grassy Knoll shooter would have had to retrieve all expended shells and then escape in broad daylight across open ground carrying a rifle in an area swarming with security.

[GBinOz]

Against this we have the people in Dealey Plaza who disagreed with your witnesses, Parkland doctors who disagreed with your Parkland doctors (plus one of the two senior doctors [working at Kennedy’s head] who ‘absolutely’ accepted that they could have been wrong) along with 17 pathologists, autopsy photos independently checked by numerous experts with no evidence of fakery, x-rays independently checked by numerous experts with no evidence of fakers, the Zapruder film independently checked by numerous by numerous experts with no evidence of tampering. Simply shouting ‘fake’ at everything is playground stuff.[/B]

What are the chances of any reply (never mind a valid one) to the above? I won’t hold my breath.

You have previously used the quote of "absolutely" regarding the testimony of Dr Carrico. His testimony from the Warren Commission here, but a search on "absolutely" has a zero return:

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/pdf/WH3_Carrico.pdf

What Specter does is present his wound in the back of the neck as fact (which it obviously isn't) and asks for a response based totally on the assumption that the fallacy is fact. This is typical of the devious badgering techniques used at the WC.

Mr. Specter. Permit me to add some facts which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you express an opinion. First of all, assume that the President was struck by a a 6.5 mm. copper jacketed bullet from a rifle having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,00O feet per second at a .time when the President was approximately 160 to 250 feet from the weapon, with the President being struck from the rear at a downward angle of approximately 45 degrees, being struck on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula 14 centimeters from the tip of the right acromlon process and 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process. Assume further that the missile passed through the body of the President striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the large muscles in the posterior aspect of the President’s body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity, but bruising only the apex of the right pleural cavity and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung, then causing a hematoma to the right of the larynx which you have described, and creating a jagged wound in the trachea, then exiting precisely at the point where you observe the puncture wound to exist. Now based on those facts was the appearance of the wound in your opinion consistent with being an exit wound.
Dr. Carrico. It certainly was. It could have been under the circumstances.
Mr. Specter. And assuming that all the facts which I have given you to be true, do you have an opinion with a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to whether, in fact, the wound was an entrance wound or an exit wound?
Dr. Carrico. With those facts and the fact as I understand it no other bullet was found this would be, this was, I believe, was an exit wound.

This is the autopsy cover sheet prepared by Boswell and signed off by Burkley.


It shows the throat incision and the bullet wound in the back, not the neck, which is clearly well below the neck incision. It also shows the small wound in the temple and the large wound in the occipital area at the back of the head.
Do I hear shouts of "fake" from the playground?

Who are the "17 pathologists" to whom you refer?

[Herlock Sholmes]

"Dr. Michael Baden has what I believe to be the answer, one whose logic is solid. [Quoting Baden] "The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said. They were wrong," [Baden] told me. "That's why we have autopsies, photographs, and X-rays to determine things like this. Since the thick growth of hair on Kennedy's head hadn't been shaved at Parkland, there's no way for the doctors to have seen the margins of the wound in the skin of the scalp. All they saw was blood and brain tissue adhering to the hair. And that may have been mostly in the occipital area because he was lying on his back and gravity would push his hair, blood, and brain tissue backward, so many of them probably assumed the exit wound was in the back of the head. But clearly, from the autopsy X-rays and photographs and the observations of the autopsy surgeons, the exit wound and defect was not in the occipital area. There was no defect or wound to the rear of Kennedy's head other than the entrance wound in the upper right part of his head."

[FrankO]

Hi Frank,

This is a huge issue in this type of conversation. Fishy is quite free and easy in calling the WC and the Bethesda pathologist liars but we only have to suggest that a witness or some witnesses might have been mistaken (a proposition that he would accept without quarrel on other threads) and he immediately accuses us of calling them liars. You can’t discuss the case sensibly with this approach (especially combined with the deluge of cut and pasting from conspiracist websites).

It certainly seems that way, Mike.