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[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

But the descriptions they did give tally with Baker's description of Oswald's clothing.

They did not.

They did not mention the colour brown!

Baker did and he was referring to a jacket.

Edwards did not mention a jacket nor the colour brown.

[Joshua Rogan]

Neither Brennan nor Edwards mentioned the colour brown in their statements made on the day of the assassination.

But the descriptions they did give tally with Baker's description of Oswald's clothing.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I was going to post exactly the same thing.
And Marion Baker, who saw Oswald two minutes after the shooting, described his clothing said;

"At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white - looking shirt"

Neither Brennan nor Edwards mentioned the colour brown in their statements made on the day of the assassination.

[Joshua Rogan]

Depends on each witness and how they class light and dark in clothing terms. As I said, compared to the men behind in what look likes black, then yes it is a lot lighter. The shirt has light brown in it. Worn with a white t-shirt below I can see why it would be termed light. Light brown. With the white t-shirt in daylight the overall appearance is well within the scope of light. It's not black or navy.

I was going to post exactly the same thing.
And Marion Baker, who saw Oswald two minutes after the shooting, described his clothing said;

"At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white - looking shirt"

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Depends on each witness and how they class light and dark in clothing terms. As I said, compared to the men behind in what look likes black, then yes it is a lot lighter. The shirt has light brown in it. Worn with a white t-shirt below I can see why it would be termed light. Light brown. With the white t-shirt in daylight the overall appearance is well within the scope of light. It's not black or navy.

Howard Brennan and Robert Edwards both claimed to see a man at the window on the sixth floor, with boxes stacked behind him.

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.

Neither witness described a brown shirt, which is what Oswald was wearing.

[Aethelwulf]

Would you call this light-coloured?

Depends on each witness and how they class light and dark in clothing terms. As I said, compared to the men behind in what look likes black, then yes it is a lot lighter. The shirt has light brown in it. Worn with a white t-shirt below I can see why it would be termed light. Light brown. With the white t-shirt in daylight the overall appearance is well within the scope of light. It's not black or navy.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

How light is light though? Look at the men next to Oswald in that photo. They are undeniably wearing dark clothes (black by the look of it). Oswald has on a white t-shirt by the look of it and a lighter shirt (is there a coloured version of this anywhere?). His shirt is many shades 'lighter' than those dark clothes.

Your problem is that you take everything single thing too literally. It's ridiculous.

Would you call this light-coloured?

[Aethelwulf]

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Are we not forgetting Oswald's shirt?

The first photograph I provide is of Oswald's shirt, showing the bullet hole.

Does it look white, as claimed by Herlock?

How light is light though? Look at the men next to Oswald in that photo. They are undeniably wearing dark clothes (black by the look of it). Oswald has on a white t-shirt by the look of it and a lighter shirt (is there a coloured version of this anywhere?). His shirt is many shades 'lighter' than those dark clothes.

Your problem is that you take everything single thing too literally. It's ridiculous.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Howard Brennan had seen Oswald's face on TV and told them so. He said Oswald looked like the man he saw in the sniper's nest, but he could not be certain.

He said the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

Oswald was not.

[Fiver]

If Oswald looked to be in his late 20s or early 30s, then his complaint about being put in a police line up with a couple of teenagers seems very justified. The ID evidence against Oswald, due to the inadequate line ups and the fact his face was broadcast on TV within hours of the alleged crime, would have been lucky to have been admitted into evidence had he made court.

1 in the lineup was William Perry, a police officer with the vice squad.
2 in the lineup was Oswald
3 in the lineup was Richard Clark, a police officer with the vice squad.
4 in the lineup was Don Ables, a clerk from the jail.

No teenagers there.

Helen Markham, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, identified Oswald.
Ted Calloway, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, identified Oswald.
Sam Guinyard, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, identified Oswald.
Cecil Waters, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, said Oswald looked like the man on his bus, but he could not be certain.

Later that day, they changed the lineup.

1 in the lineup was Richard Borchgardt, a prisoner at the jail.
2 in the lineup was Oswald
3 in the lineup was Ellis Brazel, a prisoner at the jail.
4 in the lineup was Don Ables, a clerk from the jail.

Barbara Davis, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, identified Oswald.
Virginia Davis, who had not seen Oswald's face on TV, identified Oswald.
Howard Brennan had seen Oswald's face on TV and told them so. He said Oswald looked like the man he saw in the sniper's nest, but he could not be certain.

The third lineup group that Oswald appeared in was
1 in the lineup was John Horne, a prisoner at the jail. He was 17.
2 in the lineup was David Knapp, a prisoner at the jail. He was 18.
3 in the lineup was Oswald.
4 in the lineup was Daniel Lujan a prisoner at the jail. He was 26.

This is the lineup where Oswald complains about being put into line with teenagers and it appears justified for this lineup, unless Horne and Knapp appeared older than their actual ages.

William Whaley had seen Oswald's face on TV and identified Oswald.
William Scoggins who had seem Oswald's picture in the newspaper, identified Oswald.

Johnny Brewer picked Oswald out of the crowd at the movie theater.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Oswald had a white shirt on when arrested. Where is your issue? Please stop mentioning the age. It’s beyond silly. It’s impossible to tell an 8 year difference in someone’s age. Just forget the age.

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Are we not forgetting Oswald's shirt?

The first photograph I provide is of Oswald's shirt, showing the bullet hole.

Does it look white, as claimed by Herlock?

[Fiver]

Brennan saw the shooter and gave his description to the police - the description matched Oswald.

(Fiver, # 2194)


According to Howard Brennan's affidavit, the alleged shooter was about eight years older than Oswald and wore different coloured clothing.

(PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1, # 2195)


Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 26 years old. Brennan gave an accurate description.

(Fiver, # 2211)



It is quite clear that you did claim that Brennan's estimate of Oswald's age was accurate.

I did not make a false claim about that.

I never claimed that that Brennan's estimate of Oswald's age was accurate. I said that Brenna's description was accurate.

Please stop making false statements about what I said.

I did get Oswald's age wrong, but you repeatedly selectively quote me, skipping those parts show Brennan provided an accurate description of Oswald.

Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 24 years old.

"He was a white man in his early 30’s, slender, nice looking, slender and would weight about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit." - Howard Brennan

The police report given based in Brennan's description was "White male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, 165 pounds."

Officer Tippett asked the dispatcher to repeat that description just before he stopped Oswald.

[cobalt]

If Oswald looked to be in his late 20s or early 30s, then his complaint about being put in a police line up with a couple of teenagers seems very justified. The ID evidence against Oswald, due to the inadequate line ups and the fact his face was broadcast on TV within hours of the alleged crime, would have been lucky to have been admitted into evidence had he made court.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I never said that Brennan estimated Oswald's age correctly.

Please stop making false claims about what I said.

Brennan saw the shooter and gave his description to the police - the description matched Oswald.

(Fiver, # 2194)


According to Howard Brennan's affidavit, the alleged shooter was about eight years older than Oswald and wore different coloured clothing.

(PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1, # 2195)


Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 26 years old. Brennan gave an accurate description.

(Fiver, # 2211)



It is quite clear that you did claim that Brennan's estimate of Oswald's age was accurate.

I did not make a false claim about that.

[Aethelwulf]

Hi folks - I've done far less reading on this subject than many of you and so was unsure of Oswald's age. I note from wikipedia that he was only just 24 at the time of Kennedy's murder. That was a surprise as he looks a fair bit older than that to me in contemporary photos and film. In line with the highlighted part of Herlock's post, that surely is the relevant factor here rather than how old he actually was.

As something of an aside, does my comparative lack of reading help or hinder? I'm actually inclined to feel the former and would respectfully suggest the possibility of being ''unable to see the woods for the trees'' be considered.

Best regards,
OneRound

I would second that. I too didn't actually know LHO's age but after looking at the photo above I would have guessed late twenties to early 30's. That's studying a photo - a witness not taking particular notice may go even older. The slightly receding hairline makes him look older. PI only deals in absolutes though.