JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

And yet this young guy, Howard Brennan, went straight to a Police Officer, immediately after the shots, and placed someone in that window. Of all of the locations that he could have invented seeing a gunman he just ‘luckily’ picks the exact window and gives a very decent description of Oswald.

Brennan was a 44 year old grandfather so calling him 'young' is a bit of a stretch. Which means the issue of his eyesight might be called into question. After all he said the gunman was standing up, an impossibility if firing through the open window. He also said the gunman was wearing light coloured clothing although it's accepted Oswald was wearing a dark coloured shirt in the TSBD. However Brennan, according to his own account published in 1987, had always enjoyed exceptional eyesight. He describes this in terms of religious revelation:

My faith leads me to believe that my gift of super-eyesight may have caused Providence to place me at that spot in Dealey Plaza.

Brennan also offered up a couple of interesting observations. Regarding the line up, he was asked by a Dallas officer, 'Does the guy standing second from the left look the the man you saw?' Not much quality control in evidence there. Perversely, although he claims to have immediately recognised Oswald, Brennan refused to commit himself at that time. Workmates have confirmed that Brennan was a frightened man in the days that followed, and fear of being identified as a key witness is the reason Brennan gave for delaying his ID of Oswald.
The other interesting detail is that a JFK look-alike entered his house that evening in the company of the FBI. Apparently this man was a body double for the President and chatted about a few occasions when he had been used in this capacity. It's a strange tale and what purpose could be served by inviting him along to the Brennan household is hard to discern.

[Patrick Differ]

Knott is a legitimate forensic engineering company. Maybe you should research it, maybe even reach out on Linked In, before you make an idiotic comment.

[Herlock Sholmes]

https://knottlab.com/wp-content/uplo...Shift-Z225.jpg

If you are going to dispute Knott Labs at least use their correct representation

Who runs Knott Labs? Jim Dieugenio? Oliver Stone?

[Herlock Sholmes]

That is an inaccurate description. Howard Brennan saw someone on the 6th floor. The description matched Oswald, but since Brennan had seen Oswald on TV before the lineup, he couldn't be 100% sure.



That is an inaccurate description.

Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.



That is an inaccurate description.

Mr. BAKER - The first shot.
We simulated the shots and by the time we got there, we did everything that I did that day, and this would be the minimum, because I am sure that I, you know. it took me a little longer.
Mr. DULLES - I want to get clear in my mind and for the record, it started at the first shot and when did it terminate, when you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - When we saw Oswald.
Mr. DULLES - When you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - And that time is how much?
Mr. BAKER - The first run would be a minute and 30 seconds, and then we did it over, and we did it in a minute and 15 seconds.

Mr. BELIN - You mentioned the relationship between what we did on March 20 and what actually occurred on November 22. Would you estimate that what we did on March 20 was the maximum or the minimum as for the time you took?
Mr. BAKER - I would say it would be the minimum.
Mr. BELIN - For instance, on March 20 did we do anything about trying to get through any people on the front steps of the building at all? Did we slow down at all for that?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did we slow down at all on March 20 for the time it took you to look over the scene as to what was happening in the area down Elm Street and the Parkway?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.

Brennan disproves every single person that said there were no shots from the 6th floor window. If there were no shots from that window there would have been no one in that window (this can’t be denied) And yet this young guy, Howard Brennan, went straight to a Police Officer, immediately after the shots, and placed someone in that window. Of all of the locations that he could have invented seeing a gunman he just ‘luckily’ picks the exact window and gives a very decent description of Oswald.

Then add that to the others that saw someone in that window and it’s game over. Oswald was in the 6th floor window firing his own Mannlicher Carcano three times at Kennedy.

Has anyone yet suggested that Brennan was ‘in on it.’ I’d be amazed if they hadn’t.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yet despite being seen as a burden Robert Oswald never shot at the POTUS. So why did Lee?

You can’t be serious Cobalt surely? Different people react in different ways. Not everyone that had an abusive childhood turn out to be an abusive adult. Oswald might have had issues before any ill treatment that just hadn’t surfaced.

[Patrick Differ]

https://knottlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Connally-Shift-Z225.jpg

If you are going to dispute Knott Labs at least use their correct representation

[Patrick Differ]

If Kennedy were hit by a high velocity bullet than why in the frames you show is Connally not reacting? I guess it depends on what you are paying attention too..Frank.

Also why did the 2 FBI Agents present and only 2 feet away from Kennedys body at the autopsy in Bethesda say that the back wound, that Humes did not trace, was below the right shoulder blade? Yet Specter kept them away from the Warren Commission?
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It did not fit their narrative of one shooter. Oswald could not have reloaded to hit Connally. Was Connally still holding his hat in Frame 272 when his wrist was supposedly shattered?

Where is the xray of the back? Not the sketch. And why was Humes forced to use sketches of the head wound?

Too many questions remain unanswered. Thats what I see. Believe what you want.

[FrankO]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I have repeatedly posted links.

Here's another one.

Indeed, he doesn't, Fiver.

This is Knott Lab's representation of frame 225:



This is frame 225 of the Zapruder film:



This are frames 222 & 223:



It's clear that Kennedy was hit before frame 225 and that Connally was more turned to his right in frames 222 & 223 than in 225. Who's to say that the two men weren't aligned in those frames? Who's to say that Connally hadn't been sitting like that for a number of frames until frame 224? Knott Lab doesn't answer this question.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Humes, Boswell and Finck told you what happened. They were supported by the autopsy photos which are 100% genuine, the x-rays which are 100% genuine and the Zapruder film which is 100% genuine. The totally legitimate and honest WC got things wrong but the outcome 10o% correct. These results were confirmed by the team of experts on the HSCA who examined the evidence minutely and concurred. They only went for ‘conspiracy’ because of audio evidence which we now know was nonsense. (Something that we could have told you before those recordings were made public)

Oswald, if innocent, went out of his way to act as the guiltiest man ever.

No further discussion is required. The evidence was evaluated and the correct conclusion was reached.

Everyone should move on. Endlessly torturing the Kennedy family isn’t much of a hobby imo.

[Patrick Differ]

FBI Agents Sibert and O ' Neil were at the Bethesda Autopsy. In their Summary Report to the WC in December 1963 they obliterate the SBT.

SIbert was 2 feet from Kennedy and states in the report that the back wound was below the right shoulder blade. In 2005 he gave a deposition to ARRB and restates that the wound in the back was not where it is shown in the sketches.

Specter interviewed both Sibert and O Neil after reading their report and kept them from the Warren Commission. The Single Bullet Theory came out in June 1964? RIght. No problem here whatsoever. Where is the xray photo showing the back entrance wound? It was a sketch that Humes used?

Sibert and O Neil go on to say that they never considered the SBT because the bullet trajectory was on a downward slope of 45 to 60 degrees.

So between December 1963 and June 1964 the Single Bullet " Theory" was crafted and presented. The Zapruder Film was put on ice until 1975.

So what did this magic bullet supposedly do...magic because it was barely deformed?
It had to traverse..
15 layers of clothing
A back brace ( if bullet entered under shoulder blade)
7 layers of skins
15 inches of muscle tissue
pulverized 4 inches of Connallys Rib (bone)
Shattered Connallys radius bone

Yet it was barely deformed?

As Sibert and O' Neil said...it didn't happen. They saw the back wound first hand.

Simple question here is if there were xrays of Kennedys back then why didn't Humes use those in his presentation to the Warren Commission?

[cobalt]

How do you get 1:09 as a likelier time?

I'm relying mainly on the testimony of Helen Markham! Not a reliable witness I think we can all agree but she is probably reliable on time. She regularly left her house to resume her waitressing duties at the same time each day to catch her bus. There is no indication that Mrs. Markham was a bad time keeper at the restaurant. And one fellow witness at the Tippit scene remembered Mrs. Markham worrying that she had maybe missed her regular bus.

There are other supporting witnesses and log-in times at the mortuary as well, but Helen Markham's daily routine points to an earlier time of the Tippit murder than 1.15.

[Fiver]

Fine timing number four. LHO leaves his rooming house at around 1.03 by general consent. To kill JD Tippit at 1.15 he would have to be a real athlete for sure. If we accept the likelier time of 1.09 it is impossible unless he was driven there.

How do you get 1:09 as a likelier time?

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say because
Mr. BALL.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.

[Fiver]

The Warren Commission at this point is laughable. It only took 4 months to investigate the most important crime of the 20th Century.

The Warren Commission first met on December 5, 1963. It submitted its findings on September 24, 1964.

That's quite a bit more than 4 months.

[Fiver]

The WC never put Oswald in the window with a gun and that frustrated Fritz. There are no credible witnesses that did eventhough the WC claims it found one.

That is an inaccurate description. Howard Brennan saw someone on the 6th floor. The description matched Oswald, but since Brennan had seen Oswald on TV before the lineup, he couldn't be 100% sure.

In fact there is eyewitness evidence that places Oswald on the 1st and 2nd floors at 12:15 and 12:25....

That is an inaccurate description.

Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.

....and on the 2nd floor 78 seconds after Kennedy was shot.

That is an inaccurate description.

Mr. BAKER - The first shot.
We simulated the shots and by the time we got there, we did everything that I did that day, and this would be the minimum, because I am sure that I, you know. it took me a little longer.
Mr. DULLES - I want to get clear in my mind and for the record, it started at the first shot and when did it terminate, when you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - When we saw Oswald.
Mr. DULLES - When you saw Oswald?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES - And that time is how much?
Mr. BAKER - The first run would be a minute and 30 seconds, and then we did it over, and we did it in a minute and 15 seconds.

Mr. BELIN - You mentioned the relationship between what we did on March 20 and what actually occurred on November 22. Would you estimate that what we did on March 20 was the maximum or the minimum as for the time you took?
Mr. BAKER - I would say it would be the minimum.
Mr. BELIN - For instance, on March 20 did we do anything about trying to get through any people on the front steps of the building at all? Did we slow down at all for that?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did we slow down at all on March 20 for the time it took you to look over the scene as to what was happening in the area down Elm Street and the Parkway?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.

[Patrick Differ]

Dont patronize me Fiver. That demonstration is staged using gelatin? That's your proof? And Connallys torso is perfectly aligned ? Try again.