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  • FrankO
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    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

    Hi Frank,

    I would anticipate that the rifle using a sabot to adapt a different calibre would have a reduced accuracy. My experience with the French Unique .22 rifle, which had a reputation for accuracy, was that the silencer had no effect on its accuracy.

    With regard to the pillars, I did not explain properly. There were pillars on the top of the overpass:

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    This pillar is at the southern end of the overpass and provides a solid rifle rest out of the view of those watching the parade in the centre of the overpass. It provides this view of Elm St:


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    Just three feet from this position is a pathway leading down to the carpark behind the Post Office:
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    From this location a gunman could track the Limousine in Main St and be in position as the vehicle turned into Elm Street. Using a suppressed rifle he would be neither seen nor heard and could quickly escape down the leafy pathway. As you say, this position would line up with the tie and the shirt, and the hole in the windscreen.

    Best regards, George
    Hi George,

    Thanks for clearing up what you meant by ‘pillars’. That makes more sense. If there ever was a shot from that direction, I would suggest it would have come from somewhere between (give or take a little) the blue lines on the image below.

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    What I’m not sure about is if the angle (from a horizontal line) would have lined up with a shot from there. From what I’ve looked at, it seems to me that a straight line from the tie knot to the crack in the windscreen must have been a close to horizontal line, certainly with the limousine on a slightly downward slope, as the photo below shows. Although, obviously, I can’t dismiss the possibility out of hand.

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    What I would say is that it wouldn’t have been an ideal place from where to take a shot at the president, as the picture below shows. It would not have been a guaranteed unobstructed shot and would depend on a lot of luck for nothing or nobody to be in the way of a clear shot at the right moment. Compared to that, a shot from the back was a piece of cake.

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    Cheers,
    Frank
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  • cobalt
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    ‘Connally testified that LBJ wasn't part of the planning and was annoyed at not being in the loop. LBJ only found out the cities and the itineraries after other people decided them. A Conspiracy would have had one more day to plan than Oswald had.’

    I would disagree with that claim. Dallas was announced as a city on the itinerary on 25th September. The decision to arrange a motorcade was made on 4th October. (Both these dates predate Oswald being employed at the TSBD.) The Trade Mart was confirmed as the venue on 14th November although it had been mooted since 4th November.

    ‘Have a second shooter is a massive self-imposed blunder if the Conspiracy is trying to pin the crime on an individual.’

    The LG theory was not part of the conspiracy as has been suggested by me several times. The LG theory was a political choice after the fact.

    ‘Either Oswald was lying or Norman, Jarman, West, Arce, and Dougherty were lying.’

    Norman and Jarman said they did not recall seeing Oswald in the Domino Room just before 12.25. By some weird process Oswald seemed to know they had passed through. The other three ate their lunch around 12 noon in the Domino Room but if Oswald ate his lunch in the Lunch Room (as recorded in his interrogation) then they would not have seen him obviously.

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  • FISHY1118
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    Hoover had LBJ installed as VP .

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    I never suggested that Hoover joined the conspiracy just in order to get an extension of tenure.

    Richard Nixon related that Hoover told him that although LBJ disliked JFK, he really hated RFK.

    The conspirators had practical motives for wanting to see both JFK and RFK removed from office, but they were also motivated by resentment and hatred.

    It is well-known that Hoover hated the Kennedys - RFK in particular - which explains his remark to Nixon.

    Is it so farfetched to suggest that Allen Dulles had a resentment against JFK not only on account of the failure of the planned invasion of Cuba but because he fired him as director of the CIA?

    Leading Mafiosi declared their hatred for the Kennedy brothers and their eagerness to see RFK neutered - because of his war on an organised crime whose existence Hoover denied - and JFK murdered.

    There had been collaboration between the CIA and mafia in assassination plots and two leading Mafiosi died violent deaths while waiting to testify on such collaboration.

    Is it farfetched to suggest that a group of men, including LBJ, Hoover, Dulles (and friends at the CIA), and Mafiosi, plotted to murder JFK and thereby end his brother's political power?

    Is it not significant that following JFK's murder, LBJ extended Hoover's tenure and appointed Dulles to sit on the Warren Commission?

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    I don't see how you can substantiate the above statement.
    Either Oswald was lying or Norman, Jarman, West, Arce, and Dougherty were lying.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Because he knew JFK's intentions.
    That is not an answer.

    Why would Hoover assume he couldn't get an exemption of mandatory retirement from JFK? For that matter, why would Hoover even care - he wouldn't need to worry about mandatory retirement until 1965, by which point JFK might not be President.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Because that was the deal they struck.
    So people who plot murder and treason can be completely trusted to keep their promises?

    Feel free to provide any evidence that LBJ and Hoover plotted to assassinate JFK.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    The same way he knew JFK could not fire him.
    That's not an answer.

    How could Hoover guarantee LBJ wouldn't revoke the exemption or just fire him? Or charge Hoover with JFK's murder, claiming he only found out after the fact? Or just have Hoover murdered to eliminate loose ends and avoid possible blackmail.

    Or having gotten the exemption he didn't need yet, why wouldn't Hoover murder LBJ to reduce risk of expose?

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    He couldn't; but he could guarantee that JFK would not extend his tenure.
    It didn't matter whether JFK gave Hoover an exemption from mandatory retirement - Hoover didn't face mandatory retirement until 1965.

    Who would risk execution for murder and treason, the destruction of the legacy of a lifetime, and future plans, and the demolishing of the organization that they spent a lifetime building just to get one more year of guaranteed employment which they already had anyway.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Because no such risk existed.

    The new President and the heads of the FBI and CIA were all in on the conspiracy, as must have been the head of the Secret Service.

    The conspiracy could hardly fail.
    Please, please tell me you're joking.

    Why would Hoover assume exemption from retirement, which could be revoked in a year, would be worth the risk of being executed for murder and treason, having his legacy and intended accomplishments destroyed, and the agency he had led for most of his adult life abolished?​

    Why would LBJ assume one year of being President was worth being blackmailed for the rest of his life in the best case, or more likely being executed for murder and treason, having his legacy and intended accomplishments destroyed?

    John McCone was the head of the CIA. He had been appointed by JFK. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose by being involved in a plot to kill JFK. He had everything to gain by revealing the plot to murder JFK. And he resigned from the CIA in 1965 - an act of absolute madness for anyone who needed to keep a murder plot secret.

    John Rowley was the head of the Secret Service. He had been appointed by JFK. A successful assassination would make the Secret Service look incompetent and that's the best case for Rowley. Getting caught would guarantee execution for murder and treason. OTOH, revealing the plot would have been a massive win for Rowley - he'd guarantee his future and become the hero of the entire nation.

    No sane person would have tried to make John Rowley or any other member of the Secret Service part of a conspiracy to kill JFK. Even an insane person, assuming he had more intelligence than a gerbil, would never have tried to make Rowley part of the plot.

    And members of LBJ's staff, the FBI, the CIA, and the Secret Service were not mindless robots. A Conspiracy would require mindless devotion from dozens of people, any of whom could destroy everyone else by revealing the truth. None of these dozens of Conspirators could sleep soundly again until they knew every single other member of the Conspiracy was dead.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    They had a much better idea than Oswald as to what was likely to happen.

    Don't tell me Oswald knew as much as LBJ about plans for Kennedy's schedule, whether it would include Dallas, what the likely route would be, and how the route could be changed so as to facilitate an assassination.
    That's not an answer.

    How could the Conspiracy frame Oswald when they didn't even know what cities JFK was going to, let alone the parade routes?​

    Connally testified that LBJ wasn't part of the planning and was annoyed at not being in the loop. LBJ only found out the cities and the itineraries after other people decided them. A Conspiracy would have had one more day to plan than Oswald had.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​​I would say that would have been difficult as well as unnecessary.
    So you believe that the same Conspiracy that could forge documents, handwriting, print evidence, ballistics evidence, x-rays, autopsy reports, photographic evidence, and get dozens of people to support the lie couldn't do anything to remove the evidence that he visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico?

    That makes no sense.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​​Common sense tells you that having multiple shooters firing from different directions offered the best chance of success.
    Lets look at the Conspirators plan.
    1) Kill JFK
    2) Don't get caught
    3) Profit!

    The best way to make sure that JFK dies is to make sure that the best possible shooter with the best possible weapon is used, not a pack of bumblers that can't even hit the correct target over half the time.​

    Adding more shooters, assuming they are competent, increases the chance killing the target, but decreases the chance of not getting caught as it adds more people who could betray the Conspiracy or get caught.

    The best way to not get caught is to use a number of shooters that matches your cover story. That way you don't have to fake eyewitness testimony, photographic evidence, autopsy records, x-rays, print evidence, and ballistics evidence, which would add dozens more people who might betray the Conspiracy.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​​It seems as though you are arguing that evidence of mistakes made by the conspirators is to be treated as evidence that there was no conspiracy.

    Of course they made mistakes, just as so many criminal enterprises do.
    Killing JFK would risk execution for everyone involved. They couldn't afford to make any mistakes.

    Yet for there to be a Conspiracy, they have to have made a series of massive self-inflicted blunders that make the bumbling amateurs that killed Franz Ferdinand look like a professional hit squad.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​​Shooting Connally was just one mistake and that is one of the reasons the Warren Commission lawyers had to come up with the SBT - a piece of practically-criminal invention to complement the original crime.
    A shooter hitting the wrong target is a minor error, but zero risk to the Conspiracy as a whole.

    Have a second shooter is a massive self-imposed blunder if the Conspiracy is trying to pin the crime on an individual. It means the Conspiracy has to fake eyewitness testimony, photographic evidence, autopsy records, x-rays, print evidence, and ballistics evidence, which would add dozens more people who might betray the Conspiracy.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Please see my replies below,


    Originally posted by Fiver View Post


    That's your nonsensical misrepresentation of the lone gunman theory - a strawman that no one believes.

    I think my arguments have merit and if no-one agreed with me then I would not receive any upvotes or commendations.


    * The first shot was at the steepest downward angle and thus the easiest to misjudge.

    No-one can say why the first shot missed.


    * The optical sight wasn't defective.

    IT WAS.

    It had to be rebuilt!



    * Oswald's shooting records in the Marines showed he was capable of making shots at longer distances than JFK was without using a scope.

    His record does not show that he was capable of shooting through someone's cervical vertebrae and two people - all with one bullet.


    * Autopsy evidence shows JFK was not shot 6" below the neckline.

    Eyewitness testimony, both shortly after the assassination and during the autopsy, the autopsy diagrams, the FBI report on the holes in both Kennedy's shirt and jacket, and Kennedy's official death certificate, all place the wound in Kennedy's back at roughly six inches below the neckline.

    That evidence is conclusive.


    * Modern computer modelling of the actual positions and forensics testing with Carcanos show it was possible for a single bullet to hit JFK's upper back, exit his throat, and strike Connally inflicting the wounds he took.

    That is not true.

    A bullet entering Kennedy's back at a downward angle could not have exited his throat, let alone hit Connally in the back.



    * Photographic evidence and x-rays show Kennedy was shot once in the head from the back.

    Some of the photographic evidence is fake.

    I have lost count of the number of witnesses who have said that there was a huge hole in the back right of Kennedy's head - including Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, who testified also that he saw a big piece of the missing part of the skull in the back of the limousine, and about a dozen doctors at Parkland Hospital.

    Photographs or drawings showing the right back of Kennedy's head intact have obviously been faked.

    Two experts found fragments from two separate bullets in Kennedy's skull x-rays.


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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post


    We have the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses that there was someone in the sniper's nest shooting at JFK. If it was someone besides Oswald, they didn't just have to be undetected by Williams when he was on the 6th floor, they also had to enter the Book Depository, go to the 6th floor, and leave after the assassination without being seen by anyone inside the building.​


    I could tell the gun was rifle and it sounded like an automatic rifle the way he was shooting.

    (Amos Euins' affidavit, 22 November 1963)


    Oswald's rifle was not an automatic rifle.


    Howard Brennan estimated the shooter's weight as 165-175 pounds.

    According to Oswald's arrest record, he weighed 131 lbs.

    He said he wore light-coloured clothing, but Oswald wore a brown shirt which contained black fibres.

    He said the man fired a high-powered rifle.

    The Mannlicher-Carcano was not, as far as I can make out, high-anything.


    In his testimony, James Worrell was unable to describe the man he said he saw shooting, but he described the clothing of the man he saw running away.

    He said he wore a dark sports jacket and light coloured trousers.

    Oswald wore neither that day.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    On the other hand, for Oswald alone to have been firing the shots requires one to believe that, after missing the vehicle altogether, and with the vehicle then further away, and with a defective scope, he was then able to defy the laws of both mathematics and anatomy by shooting Kennedy in the back about six inches below the neckline, at a downward angle, shooting Kennedy in the front of the neck, and shooting Connally - all with one bullet - and then hitting Kennedy twice in the head, also with one bullet.

    How many people here actually believe that?
    That's your nonsensical misrepresentation of the lone gunman theory - a strawman that no one believes.

    * The first shot was at the steepest downward angle and thus the easiest to misjudge.
    * The optical sight wasn't defective.
    * Oswald's shooting records in the Marines showed he was capable of making shots at longer distances than JFK was without using a scope.
    * Autopsy evidence shows JFK was not shot 6" below the neckline.
    * Modern computer modelling of the actual positions and forensics testing with Carcanos show it was possible for a single bullet to hit JFK's upper back, exit his throat, and strike Connally inflicting the wounds he took.
    * Photographic evidence and x-rays show Kennedy was shot once in the head from the back.



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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Williams testified that he ate his lunch on the sixth floor, possibly as late as 12.15 p.m.

    He didn't see Oswald.
    The domino room was a small room. There was nowhere in the room to be unseen.

    Jarman testified that he ate his lunch while walking around on the first floor, not in the domino room.
    Norman ate his lunch in the domino room. He didn't see Oswald.
    Troy West said he ate lunch in the domino room. He didn't see Oswald.
    Danny Acre said he ate lunch in the domino room. He didn't see Oswald.
    Jack Dougherty said he ate lunch in the domino room. He didn't see Oswald.
    And Oswald claimed he had been alone, somehow failing to see West, Acre, and Dougherty.​

    The east half of the 6th floor was full of stacks of boxes ranging from mid-chest high to taller than most men. Unless Williams had X-ray vision, it would have been easy for someone in that area to be unseen by Williams.

    Here's where Williams ate lunch.



    We have the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses that there was someone in the sniper's nest shooting at JFK. If it was someone besides Oswald, they didn't just have to be undetected by Williams when he was on the 6th floor, they also had to enter the Book Depository, go to the 6th floor, and leave after the assassination without being seen by anyone inside the building.​

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    You not listening does not mean I didn't provide an explanation.



    That makes no sense. Oswald was 5'8" and 135 lbs when he joined the Marines. People don't lose 5 pounds of weight from gaining an inch in height. Slender people don't lose weight serving in the Marines. Slender people don't lose weight pulling and packing orders in a Book Depository.



    I don't even know who this witness was.

    What I would present to the jury is.

    Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Johnny C. Brewer​ identified Oswald at the theater.
    Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
    William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    William Arthur Smith​ identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.​

    The bullets in Tippet's body came from Oswald's pistol.
    The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
    Oswald had his pistol when he was arrested.
    Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers.



    "The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." Officer Baker, describing Oswald.​

    "White male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five ten, weighs one sixty-five, is all the information."​ - Police dispatcher.

    "He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks."​ - Officer Walker.

    All three descriptions estimate his age as about 30.
    Two mention slender build. One does not mention build.
    Height estimates vary from 5'8" to 5'10".
    Two estimate weight as 165lb. One does not mention weight.
    One says dark hair. One says black hair. One does not mention hair color.

    That's a very close match for descriptions of a stranger seen for only a few moments in a highly stressful situation.

    I'd also use Baker and Truly's testimony to show how bizarre Oswald's reaction to having a police officer point a gun at him and being told the President had just been assassinated.



    Markham did not say that the killer had bushy hair. I have already shown that.
    Clemons did not say that the killer had bushy hair. I have already shown that.
    Benavides said he could not ID the killer. He said their was "little bit curlier' than the hair of lawyer David Belin.


    Markham did say that the murderer had slightly bushy hair, which Oswald evidently did not.

    I did quote from the relevant Warren Commission volume as proof of that.

    Clemons did say that the killer had bushy hair.

    I provided a link to the interview in which she said that.

    Benavides did say that the murderer had curly hair and that he needed a haircut, neither of which statements could be made about Oswald.

    It is impossible for hair that is not already curly to be curlier than someone else's hair and Oswald's hair was obviously not curly.

    Oswald did not have curlier hair, slightly bushy hair, nor bushy hair.

    It is quite clear that all three witnesses were describing someone else.​
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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    As far as I can see, Fiver has not explained how a description of Tippit's killer which is of someone at least two inches taller than Oswald, 34 lbs heavier than Oswald, and with wavy hair, which Oswald did not have, can be Oswald.
    You not listening does not mean I didn't provide an explanation.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Oswald's height was recorded as 5 ft 8 ins in the Marines, but just under 5 ft 9 ins - with a scale showing his height in a mugshot - in August 1963.

    His weight, according to his arrest record in November 1963, was 131 lbs.
    That makes no sense. Oswald was 5'8" and 135 lbs when he joined the Marines. People don't lose 5 pounds of weight from gaining an inch in height. Slender people don't lose weight serving in the Marines. Slender people don't lose weight pulling and packing orders in a Book Depository.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​I would like to know how you would present such eyewitness evidence to a jury - that a man who was two inches taller than Oswald, 34 lbs heavier, and had wavy hair was obviously Oswald.
    I don't even know who this witness was.

    What I would present to the jury is.

    Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Johnny C. Brewer​ identified Oswald at the theater.
    Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
    William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    William Arthur Smith​ identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.​

    The bullets in Tippet's body came from Oswald's pistol.
    The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
    Oswald had his pistol when he was arrested.
    Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    Would you call Marrion Baker and suggest to the jury that any reasonable witness should be expected to make the same mistakes as Baker made and in addition make mistakes about his hair?
    "The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." Officer Baker, describing Oswald.​

    "White male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five ten, weighs one sixty-five, is all the information."​ - Police dispatcher.

    "He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks."​ - Officer Walker.

    All three descriptions estimate his age as about 30.
    Two mention slender build. One does not mention build.
    Height estimates vary from 5'8" to 5'10".
    Two estimate weight as 165lb. One does not mention weight.
    One says dark hair. One says black hair. One does not mention hair color.

    That's a very close match for descriptions of a stranger seen for only a few moments in a highly stressful situation.

    I'd also use Baker and Truly's testimony to show how bizarre Oswald's reaction to having a police officer point a gun at him and being told the President had just been assassinated.

    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    ​Markham said the killer's hair was slightly bushy, Clemons said it was bushy, Benavides said it was curly, and another witness, according to the Warren Commission, said it was wavy.
    Markham did not say that the killer had bushy hair. I have already shown that.
    Clemons did not say that the killer had bushy hair. I have already shown that.
    Benavides said he could not ID the killer. He said their was "little bit curlier' than the hair of lawyer David Belin.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    You claimed that the initial description of Tippit's killer said they had wavy hair. It didn't.

    "He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks." - RW Walker (Call sign 85)

    The later report is "That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt." - HW Summers (Call sign 221).

    I don't know who this "eyeball witness" was.

    But we do know that.
    Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Domingo Benavides told police wasn't sure if he could ID Tippet's killer.
    Johnny C. Brewer​ identified Oswald at the theater.
    Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
    William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    William Arthur Smith​ identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.

    Tippit was killed with bullets from Oswald's pistol.
    The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
    Oswald was carrying his pistol when arrested.
    Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers with his pistol.


    Two witnesses, Helen Markham and Barbara Jeanette Davis, testified that the jacket worn by the murderer was noticeably darker than the one allegedly discarded by Oswald, and that the murderer wore a lighter shirt than Oswald's.

    Mrs Markham told Mark Lane that the killer was short and had slightly bushy hair.

    Acquilla Clemons described the murderer as short with bushy hair.

    Patrolman Roy W. Walker radioed a description of the killer which included his having wavy hair.

    Domingo Benavides said the assassin had curly hair, which needed cutting, and a ruddy complexion.

    William Smith testified that the murderer had dark hair.

    Barbara Jeanette Davis and William Smith testified that the killer wore a sport jacket.



    FOUR WITNESSES TESTIFIED THAT THE JACKET ALLEGEDLY WORN BY OSWALD WAS NOT WORN BY THE MURDERER AND A FIFTH WITNESS TESTIFIED THAT OSWALD NEVER WORE IT

    (my # 2305)

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Fiver View Post


    The Zaparuder film proves you wrong.​

    * As Kellerman come back into view, it is clear that he is facing forward in Frame 310.

    * JFK was shot in the head at Frame 313.



    The Zapruder film proves me right and you wrong!

    It is clear that Kellerman is looking back at Kennedy continuously from frames 303 to 317, which means he was looking at Kennedy when his head exploded, as I have repeatedly stated.

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  • Fiver
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
    When I cited a description given by a witness to the Tippit shooting which included black wavy hair, you corrected me and insisted that it did not include the word wavy.

    As you can see, the Warren Commission did include it.

    Oswald did not fit that description either: he was not 5 ft 11 ins tall,, did not weigh 165 lbs and did not have black wavy hair.
    You claimed that the initial description of Tippit's killer said they had wavy hair. It didn't.

    "He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks." - RW Walker (Call sign 85)

    The later report is "That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt." - HW Summers (Call sign 221).

    I don't know who this "eyeball witness" was.

    But we do know that.
    Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Domingo Benavides told police wasn't sure if he could ID Tippet's killer.
    Johnny C. Brewer​ identified Oswald at the theater.
    Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
    William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
    William Arthur Smith​ identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.

    Tippit was killed with bullets from Oswald's pistol.
    The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
    Oswald was carrying his pistol when arrested.
    Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers with his pistol.

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