JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Patrick Differ]

Respectfully disagree here. How do you explain the geometric off set by the Kennedy Connally horizontal and vertical planes?

That is refuted by position in the car along the door, the horizontal distance from the book depository, the height to the 6th floor and the moving target. So trying to base this shot on 18.5 frames per second would only be possible through a 3D Laser Scanner with digital twin technology.

Knott used the Leica 360 3D scanner with digital twin to perform this . Leica Geosystems and others perform these scan tests on a range of things like shootings or even the operation of chemical plants. The 360 3D is the most advanced and accurate scanner in commercial use. The Zapruder film was used as input for the analysis.

Why does it matter? Because even if an earlier frame were used at 18.5 frames per second it would not matter, that would have actually made the shot more, not less acute on both planes and would have made the single bullet even harder to explain in a court of law. Garrison, Forman and Wecht figured that out in 1968. Knott proved it using digital twin and advanced laser scanning. The offsets are in inches not millimeters so it makes the single bullet what it was...a creation from Arlen Specter, an attorney, not a doctor, engineer or scientist.

Defense Attorneys would have had a field day with reasonable doubt in this case. Imagine being under oath. Parkland Doctors, Bethesda, trying to prove Oswald was on the 6th floor or killed Tippit. Imagine watching the Zapruder film which on appearance looks alot different than the , after the fact reconstruction of events.

There was no way the government could let Oswald testify. They would be unable to prove there wasn't a second shooter on the grassy knoll. The Zapruder film says otherwise?

In 1963 the evidence was the Zapruder film, the bodies and the guns. Witnesses under oath would have included all the witnesses the Warren Commission didn't call.

[OneRound]

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However, in the USA you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Oswald in this case was assassinated by ( another lone nut) before he could mount a defense.

Was there reasonable doubt? The Single Bullet, shot location, putting Oswald in the 6th floor, the trajectories and so on...

Is there a smoking gun somewhere that proves Oswalds innocence? ...

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Oswald was indisputably entitled to a fair trial. It was palpably wrong he was denied that by Ruby. However, we should not use that wrong to suggest actual innocence upon Oswald's behalf. There is ample evidence of Oswald's responsibility for the murders of President Kennedy and Police Officer Tippit.

In all realistic likelihood at trial, Oswald would either have exercised his constitutional right to silence which would not have impressed the jury or, worse still for him, continued upon the dishonest path he set out upon in the lead up to Kennedy's killing with blatant and obvious lies.

With regard to the final question quoted above, there can be no smoking gun to prove Oswald's innocence as he was not innocent.

OneRound

[GBinOz]

Mr. LIEBELER. So there is no way, as I understand it, to tell from the records maintained, as far as you know anyway, who was authorized to receive mail at Post Office Box 2915 that Oswald had while he was here in Dallas before he went to New Orleans in April of 1963; is that correct?
Mr. HOLMES. Other than Oswald himself and his name on the application.
Mr. LIEBELER. Right.
Mr. HOLMES. Now he did tell me in personal interrogation that no one was permitted to get mail in that box but him.
Mr. LIEBELER. He said that same thing about the box in New Orleans, too, didn't he?
Mr. HOLMES. He did at first, and then----
Mr. LIEBELER. Then you showed him portion three of the application and then he changed his story?
Mr. HOLMES. I said how about Marina Oswald, and he said, well, she was my wife. What is wrong with that? And I said how about A. J. Hidell, and he said I don't know anything about that. And I said look here. And he said, well, I don't know.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now supposing that Oswald had not in fact authorized A. J. Hidell to receive mail here in the Dallas box and that a package came addressed to the name of Hidell, which, in fact, one did at Post Office Box 2915, what procedure would be followed when that package came in?
Mr. HOLMES. They would put the notice in the box.
Mr. LIEBELER. Regardless of whose name was associated with the box?
Mr. HOLMES. That is the general practice. The theory being, I have a box. I have a brother come to visit me. My brother would have my same name---well, a cousin. You can get mail in there. They are not too strict. You don't have to file that third portion to get service for other people there. I imagine they might have questioned him a little bit when they handed it out to him, but I don't know. It depends on how good he is at answering questions, and everything would be all right.
Mr. LIEBELER. So that the package would have come in addressed to Hidell at Post Office Box 2915, and a notice would have been put in the post office box without regard to who was authorized to receive mail from it?
Mr. HOLMES. Actually, the window where you get the box is all the way around the corner and a different place from the box, and the people that box the mail, and in theory---I am surmising now, because nobody knows. I have questioned everybody, and they have no recollection. The man would take this card out. There is nothing on this card. There is no name on it, not even a box number on it. He comes around and says, "I got this out of my box." And he says, "What box?" "Box number so and so." They look in a bin where they have this by box numbers, and whatever the name on it, whatever they gave him, he just hands him the package, and that is all there is to it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Ordinarily, they won't even request any identification because they would assume if he got the notice out of the box, he was entitled to it?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. It is very possible that that in fact is what happened in case?
Mr. HOLMES. That is in theory. I would assume that is what happened.
Mr. LIEBELER. On the other hand, it is also possible that Oswald had actually authorized Hidell to receive mail through the box?
Mr. HOLMES. Could have been. And on the other hand, he had this identification card of Hidell's in his billfold, which he could have produced and showed the window clerk. Either way, he got it.

In your posts #3589 and #3609 you tried to deceitfully pass off an order alteration from a retailer to a wholesaler as "an example of Klein's substituting when they were out of 91TS." These old rifles were usually only bought by collectors, and no reputable retailer would substitute another model without consultation with the customer.

In your post #3971, you presented a devious attempt to show Fishy incorrect when he stated that Post Office rules did not allow for deliveries to a P.O. Box for any other name than those authorised by the box owner, by showing that A Hidell was authorised for a totally different PO Box in another city.

In this post you double down on this deception with the above consummate gobbledegook involving "surmise" as to why the staff in a post office would choose risk dismissal by ignoring their regulations, that "surmise" involving suppositions involving a brother, cousins and the location of "the window" compared to "the box". There is then the supposition that since it may have been possible that a card was put in the box, contrary to regulations, anyone, without identification, could collect the parcel because they had a completely blank card that they claim they got from the box. The conclusion (Either way, he got it.) is the classic make the evidence fit the conclusion by what ever fraudulent means are available.

The above is signature method tactics for the WC, Bugliosi, and their apologists. The leading of witnesses, the engagement in "what if" and "is it possible that" questioning does not constitute evidence. The facts that the Carcano that was allegedly ordered by Oswald does not match the rifle allegedly found in the TSBD, that the FBI found NO viable prints anywhere on the rifle, that Postal Regulations required that a parcel addressed to A Hidell would have been returned to sender, and that the money order had no cancellation stamp to indicate that it had been cashed are all ignored.

[FrankO]

The prints on the rifle and the ballistics evidence made Oswald the killer. The Single Bullet meant Oswald was the only shooter.



Knott Labs had JFK hit in the throat at frame 225 when the Zapruder film clearly shows that JFK was hit some time before frame 224. Comparison with frame 225 also shows that Knott Labs has Connally turned significantly further to the left than he actually was.

They have not disproven the single bullet theory.

Hi Fiver,

It’s clear to me too that JFK was hit before frame 225, as in that frame he’s already started to react. It actually surprises me that Knott took frame 225 as a starting point for analyses.

As to Connally’s position in that frame as compared to what Knott made of that, the figure portraying him seems off to me, especially his bulging shoulder line and he seems to be leaning forward somewhat, which I don’t see in either the Zapruder film or any of the photographs. I don’t see what you see, i.e. that he’s turned significantly further to the left than he actually was. Or maybe I misunderstood you there.

But that doesn’t really matter, as I do see that Connally was turned more to his right in earlier frames than in frame 225 and that’s when I think JFK and Connally were hit. And if Connally would be turned even slightly to his right in the Knott representation of frame 225, then the alignments would be there.

As a side note, it’s interesting to see that Connally, between frames 226 and 231, slides down. Until frame 226, the top of his head is just below Mrs. Kennedy’s eye level, whereas in frame 230, almost her whole face is visible.

The best,
Frank

[Fiver]

There is another Laser Company calked Lidar that also concludes what Knott does. Dated June 2024.

Lidar is the laser scanning technology used by Knott Labs, not another analysis of the scene.

[Fiver]

Arlen Specter needed a Single Bullet to make Oswald the killer.

The prints on the rifle and the ballistics evidence made Oswald the killer. The Single Bullet meant Oswald was the only shooter.

His theory is disproven.

Knott Labs had JFK hit in the throat at frame 225 when the Zapruder film clearly shows that JFK was hit some time before frame 224. Comparison with frame 225 also shows that Knott Labs has Connally turned significantly further to the left than he actually was.

They have not disproven the single bullet theory.

[Fiver]

Box 2915 was in Dallas, not in New Orleans.

Mr. LIEBELER. So there is no way, as I understand it, to tell from the records maintained, as far as you know anyway, who was authorized to receive mail at Post Office Box 2915 that Oswald had while he was here in Dallas before he went to New Orleans in April of 1963; is that correct?
Mr. HOLMES. Other than Oswald himself and his name on the application.
Mr. LIEBELER. Right.
Mr. HOLMES. Now he did tell me in personal interrogation that no one was permitted to get mail in that box but him.
Mr. LIEBELER. He said that same thing about the box in New Orleans, too, didn't he?
Mr. HOLMES. He did at first, and then----
Mr. LIEBELER. Then you showed him portion three of the application and then he changed his story?
Mr. HOLMES. I said how about Marina Oswald, and he said, well, she was my wife. What is wrong with that? And I said how about A. J. Hidell, and he said I don't know anything about that. And I said look here. And he said, well, I don't know.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now supposing that Oswald had not in fact authorized A. J. Hidell to receive mail here in the Dallas box and that a package came addressed to the name of Hidell, which, in fact, one did at Post Office Box 2915, what procedure would be followed when that package came in?
Mr. HOLMES. They would put the notice in the box.
Mr. LIEBELER. Regardless of whose name was associated with the box?
Mr. HOLMES. That is the general practice. The theory being, I have a box. I have a brother come to visit me. My brother would have my same name---well, a cousin. You can get mail in there. They are not too strict. You don't have to file that third portion to get service for other people there. I imagine they might have questioned him a little bit when they handed it out to him, but I don't know. It depends on how good he is at answering questions, and everything would be all right.
Mr. LIEBELER. So that the package would have come in addressed to Hidell at Post Office Box 2915, and a notice would have been put in the post office box without regard to who was authorized to receive mail from it?
Mr. HOLMES. Actually, the window where you get the box is all the way around the corner and a different place from the box, and the people that box the mail, and in theory---I am surmising now, because nobody knows. I have questioned everybody, and they have no recollection. The man would take this card out. There is nothing on this card. There is no name on it, not even a box number on it. He comes around and says, "I got this out of my box." And he says, "What box?" "Box number so and so." They look in a bin where they have this by box numbers, and whatever the name on it, whatever they gave him, he just hands him the package, and that is all there is to it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Ordinarily, they won't even request any identification because they would assume if he got the notice out of the box, he was entitled to it?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. It is very possible that that in fact is what happened in case?
Mr. HOLMES. That is in theory. I would assume that is what happened.
Mr. LIEBELER. On the other hand, it is also possible that Oswald had actually authorized Hidell to receive mail through the box?
Mr. HOLMES. Could have been. And on the other hand, he had this identification card of Hidell's in his billfold, which he could have produced and showed the window clerk. Either way, he got it.

[Herlock Sholmes]

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As Warren Commission Supporters ( Herlock, Fiver) you are asking me to support what the government states is true. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

No, beyond ANY doubt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Roswell and Fink complained that they left too many steps out. The Parkland Doctors had only 20 minutes with Kennedy and were in life saving technique mode. Still, they saw many gunshot wounds before and made an initial assessment.

Nice soft shoe shuffle there Patrick.

The Parkland doctors had only 22 minutes.
They were in life saving mode.

I’ll add..

That Kennedy was actually lying on the area where they claimed to have seen a wound.
That most of these doctors weren’t around the head area.
That they were largely inexperienced.

Now, the reasoned deduction from that would be that this hardly made them ideal witnesses. But no, you twist it to…they still saw…

No, they were mistaken. Why were they infallible and yet there were doctors there who disagreed…why were those fewer doctors not correct?

In the real world those few doctors were clearly the ones who got it right because their opinion was confirmed by the Zapruder film, the autopsy photos, the x-rays, and 17 pathologists.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Was there reasonable doubt? The Single Bullet, shot location, putting Oswald in the 6th floor, the trajectories and so on...

No. No doubt at all. It was categorically Oswald alone. The most obviously guilty man in the history of crime.

[Patrick Differ]

Herlock you and Fiver make a good tag team. The Single Bullet is not about the Head wound.

Humes unfortunately did not trace the bullet from back to front so that was a mistake regarding the single bullet.

Roswell and Fink complained that they left too many steps out. The Parkland Doctors had only 20 minutes with Kennedy and were in life saving technique mode. Still, they saw many gunshot wounds before and made an initial assessment.

Humes testimony used sketches, according to his own words, that were not based on autopsy photos or xrays because they were not granted access.

Did Parkland have enough time with the body ? Of course, Kennedy was DOA.
Did Bethesda do a thourough job? Not according to the House Select Committee and not according to the Bethesda Doctors themselves- they were pressured? Humes said he felt pressured and Boswell complained of cutting corners.

In terms of experts- its classic legalize- you have yours and we have ours. As technology advances so could that expertise.

As Warren Commission Supporters ( Herlock, Fiver) you are asking me to support what the government states is true. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

However, in the USA you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Oswald in this case was assassinated by ( another lone nut) before he could mount a defense.

Was there reasonable doubt? The Single Bullet, shot location, putting Oswald in the 6th floor, the trajectories and so on...

Is there a smoking gun somewhere that proves Oswalds innocence? Who knows.

Everytime the government is questioned they say the same thing...It's the Conspiracy Theorists again...predictable

[Herlock Sholmes]

Trying to discredit Knott based on a Zapruder Frame st 18.5 frames per second is absurd. But is shows how far the WC apologists will go to defend it.

There is a second laser scan company that proved what Knott did. Thats called repeatability.

Kennedy and Connally were both at different angles from the 6th Floor windows. Its not hard to understand.

And what about the part of the Zapruder film which shows the head shot and 100% proves that there was no back of the head wound?

What about the pathologists who confirmed the findings of Humes, Boswell and Finck? What about the experts that confirmed that the Zapruder film hadn’t been tampered with? What about the experts that confirmed that the x-rays and photographed were entirely genuine and hadn’t been interfered with? What about the experts that said that Oswald’s gun fired the cartridges and that the bullets matched the rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons?

All the experts that prove that Oswald killed Kennedy are all crooks or massively incompetent and it’s ok to say that. But those on the other side who cast doubts on the above findings are being ‘absurd.’

Can you really not see cherrypicking Patrick. We could do exactly what conspiracy theorists do and say ‘if tests results don’t conform to the version of events that support a lone gunman killing then those results are fakes and forgeries.’ Wouldn’t that be fair?

[cobalt]

None of Herlock's points were straw men.

They were called 'strawmen' by me since they assumed that a conspiracy was focused on 'framing' a lone gunman. This is also a misapprehension Fiver labours under. I pointed out that the Lone Gunman theory was a product of the Warren Commission.

If a Conspiracy wanted to frame a lone nut, they would care quite a bit about photographs and the direction of bullets. That's the position of any Conspiracist who claims that the evidence was faked.

I know there are various CT positions but that is not one I subscribe to. They wanted Oswald in the frame obviously but smearing a cell of fellow travelling pro-Castro fanatics would have suited their purpose better. The basic purpose of the conspiracy was to assassinate the POTUS and cannot be described as anything other than successful in that respect. Once power had been transferred, which it was within a couple of hours and without military of popular opposition, then the events surrounding the assassination could be controlled.

So a Conspiracy that risked their lives to murder a President and frame Cuba did nothing when LBJ threw that all away by refusing to blame Cuba?

Assassinating two Presidents within six months might have aroused some suspicion. The Cuban elements within the conspiracy were given no more than mere revenge but maybe that helped, given their sense of betrayal over the Bay of Pigs and the Missile Crisis. The military would have been uneasy about confronting the USSR over the agreement not to invade Cuba so could accept escalation in Vietnam as a compromise. The Texan oligarchs got their man in the White House and if they were unhappy about LBJ's social policies could at least pocket their tax concessions and benefit from weapons manufacturing.
When LBJ failed to calm the social unrest within the USA he realised his time was up. Better to retire than open himself up to what was being enacted upon RFK and MLK in 1968. So he did.

[Patrick Differ]

Trying to discredit Knott based on a Zapruder Frame st 18.5 frames per second is absurd. But is shows how far the WC apologists will go to defend it.

There is a second laser scan company that proved what Knott did. Thats called repeatability.

Kennedy and Connally were both at different angles from the 6th Floor windows. Its not hard to understand.

[Fiver]

There then follows a list of strawmen, ripe for burning.

None of Herlock's points were straw men.

It has been pointed out on numerous occasions that the lone gunman theory is a figment of the WC imagination and no more.

It has been claimed that the lone gunman theory is wrong, but so far the ballistics, acoustics, fingerprint, photographic, and x-ray evidence support the theory.

The assassins in Dealey Plaza set out to kill the POTUS and they succeeded. Why on earth would they care about photographs of the Grassy Knoll or direction of bullets? All they needed was a link to Cuba (Oswald) and a rifle on the 6th floor.

If a Conspiracy wanted to frame a lone nut, they would care quite a bit about photographs and the direction of bullets. That's the position of any Conspiracist who claims that the evidence was faked.

johnson partly scuppered their plans by steering the lone gunman theory which, in its WC form, depoliticised the crime.

So a Conspiracy that risked their lives to murder a President and frame Cuba did nothing when LBJ threw that all away by refusing to blame Cuba?