JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[GBinOz]

Yes it was a pack of vanishing curtain rods George. You can continue to believe that but I’ll stay on planet Earth thanks.

"Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

You aren’t debating. You're making one or two sentence comments. If that’s all that you can manage. Fine."

[Herlock Sholmes]

So we’ve descended to this again George. Fine. It’s up to you. All that I’ve done is made a comment that is entirely true. The thread is for discussion and not just wholesale cutting and pasting of long articles. But that’s what it’s descended to. Unsurprisingly, because I’ve said it, you have to have a dig.

Hardly a surprise.

[Fiver]

Once you accept the Autopsy photos are fake as we have shown you all along, then you can move on .

You have yet to provide any evidence that the autopsy was fake, let alone a motive for doing it.

The Army, the Navy, the Secret Service, and JFK's personal physician all attended the autopsy. You haven't provided a credible motive for any of them to want to kill JFK, let alone for all of them to work together.

[Fiver]

Let's address an easy one.



The Warren Commission Report Chapter 3 Page 81:
The rifle is 40.2 inches long and weighs 8 pounds.

It is an easy one, but not in the way that you think.

Klein's Sporting Goods had run out of the 36-inch long (91 cm) Carcano model M91 TS carbines and sent Oswald a 40.1-inch Carcano M91/38.

[Fiver]

The only Radiologist involved in Xrays was a Dr Ebersole. He could not explain some of the metal fragment discrepancies from 1963 compared to 1968. It brought up the question of whether the xrays could be easily double exposed and there are xrays using scissors and other objects used to show how easy it was to do. The fragments in question were in the back of the skull. ( Not a magic bullet)

Do you even understand the Single Bullet Theory? It went through JFK's neck, not his skull.

Nothing like what you describe appears in Dr Ebersole's statement to the HSCA.

[Fiver]

There is also a discrepancy in the 4 bullet shells found by Tippit. From a revolver that did not eject the cartridge.

There is no discrepancy.

Mr. BELIN. When you went back, what did you do? First of all, was there anything up to that time that you saw there or that you did that you haven't related here that you can think of right now?
Mr. BENAVIDES. Well, I started--I seen him throw the shells and I started to stop and pick them up, and I thought I'd better not so when I came back, after I had gotten back, I picked up the shells.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES. That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it.

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And he was emptying it?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open and he had his hands cocked like he was emptying it.

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

[FISHY1118]

Repeating nonsense achieves nothing. Except boredom.

Oh Good, your ignoring ''ACTUAL EVIDENCE'' , thats always a good sign.

[FISHY1118]

I’m signing out for the night. It’s like being on Fantasy Island.

Thats probably because your reading a fantasy novel called the the WARREN COMMISSION REPORT.

[FISHY1118]

You have yet to provide any evidence that the autopsy was fake, let alone a motive for doing it.

The Army, the Navy, the Secret Service, and JFK's personal physician all attended the autopsy. You haven't provided a credible motive for any of them to want to kill JFK, let alone for all of them to work together.

Well see right theres your problem fiver , i have provided mulitple expert medical opinion and eyewitness accounts of the fist size hole in the back of Jfks head .

Tell me, how many of those Army , Navy Secret Service agents, were in Trauma room 1 on the day of the assassination ?. Which one of them on that day contradicted all of the Parkland Drs , Clint Hills ond countless others observations that there was large hole in the back of jfks head ?

[Fiver]

One thing I looked at was Zapruder Frames 245. The first hit and frame 313 the head shot. At 18.3 frames per second there was a 4.5 second spread. An expert could have pulled that off but with angles and car movement who really knows if Oswald had that capability.

Why are you looking at Frame 245? JFK has clearly already started reaching for his throat by Frame 225. That gives minimum of 4.8 seconds between the two bullets..

Pen and Teller managed 3 in 3.45 seconds. HSC testing showed 3 shots could have been fired as fast as 3.3 seconds.

[GBinOz]

So we’ve descended to this again George. Fine. It’s up to you. All that I’ve done is made a comment that is entirely true. The thread is for discussion and not just wholesale cutting and pasting of long articles. But that’s what it’s descended to. Unsurprisingly, because I’ve said it, you have to have a dig.

Hardly a surprise.

Are you suggesting that I am descending to quoting your posts? If you are making a comment that you claim is true, support it with one witness that testified that the parcel they saw in the possession of Oswald was of sufficient size to contain a rifle. I don't see that I was cutting and pasting long articles - just a few pictures and short quotes presenting the facts. You suggest I am having a dig because I ask you to comply with the standard you impose on others? Your objection is noted. If debate is to be attained, dismissal without evidence needs to be restrained.

[Fiver]

Warren Commission Report Chapter 3 Page 81:
The minimum length broken down is 34.8 inches, the length of the wooden stock.

The only two people who saw the package testified that it was too short to contain a rifle.

Let's look at actual testimony.

Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back.
Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
Mr. BALL - How wide was the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I would say the package was about that wide.
Mr. BALL - How wide would you say that would be?
Mr. FRAZIER - Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--

RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.

And Randle and Frazier are not the only ones who saw Oswald with a large package.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

[GBinOz]

There is no discrepancy.

Mr. BELIN. When you went back, what did you do? First of all, was there anything up to that time that you saw there or that you did that you haven't related here that you can think of right now?
Mr. BENAVIDES. Well, I started--I seen him throw the shells and I started to stop and pick them up, and I thought I'd better not so when I came back, after I had gotten back, I picked up the shells.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES. That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it.

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And he was emptying it?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open and he had his hands cocked like he was emptying it.

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

So the proposal is that the perpetrator deliberately emptied the shells from a revolver and threw them on the ground for the police to use as evidence. But the first report was that the handgun involved was a 38 Auto, as were the shell casings, which would have been ejected and would have had to be picked up to avoid them being used as evidence. A 38ACP (auto) cannot be chambered in a 38 special revolver, and vice-versa.

[GBinOz]

Let's look at actual testimony.

Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back.
Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
Mr. BALL - How wide was the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I would say the package was about that wide.
Mr. BALL - How wide would you say that would be?
Mr. FRAZIER - Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--

RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.

And Randle and Frazier are not the only ones who saw Oswald with a large package.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

WC Report Chapter 4 Page 133:
Frazier and Mrs. Randle testified that the bag which Oswald was carrying was approximately 27 or 28 inches long, whereas the wooden stock of the rifle, which is its largest component, measured 34.8 inches.

Frazier stated that Oswald held the package by cupping it in his hand and that it fitted comfortably under his armpit. I previously asked that this be tested by posters and a report made, but so far no answer is the stern reply.

Hasn't Mr Dougherty been regularly included on Herlock's "idiot" list? What is the definition of the hearsay of "a fairly good-sized package" that Dougherty himself completely failed to notice?