JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[scottnapa]

Win Scott sends a memo discussing the Mystery Man. Notice this HENRY Oswald memo is very Russia focused. Meeting with Kostikov, supposedly he is from Dept 13, involved in the wet affairs on Oct 1st.

Perhaps the Mystery Man is asset of the CIA. If so, it’s an interestingly mediocre choice as Oswald imposter, as no one would be fooled.

Henry OSWALD is 35 years old, 6 foot, athletic, balding top, looks American, wearing khaki. He speaks broken Russian, some Spanish. The real Lee Harvey Oswald is 22, 135 pounds, 5 foot 9 inches tall, Slender; Oswald is fluent in Russian, Real Lee Oswald can barely navigate a menu in the Mexican restaurant. Oswald is alone in the hotel, dines alone gets to and is a wallflower at the party, stands to the side. Only at the Embassies is "Oswald" yelling and provoking.

[scottnapa]

Put everything in the HENRY file Mexico City Memo

Multiple files means if the FBI or Warren Commission or the HSCA asks for information on Lee Harvey Oswald, the Henry Oswald file is untouched.
This is the CIA version of a shell game with three cups and one pea.
The Warren Commission frames the assassination as a binary choice: Oswald is guilty or innocent. It is a error in judgement on our part if we believe everything is happening because of LHO. This binary question is the focus of the vast majority of the library of books on the Kennedy assassination.

The questions about events in Minsk and Moscow, as well as in New Orleans and Montreal, leads to answers that reveals the political focus of the FBI and CIA rather than the politics of Lee Oswald; who is a mere actor in these politically motivated deceptions. Thus it would be an error of judgment to assume that everything happens to Oswald is connected to an assassination plot.
CI doesn’t care about OSWALD. CI is focused on Russia. Webster is the key defector in 1960. OSWALD is the “useful idiot”. Oswald is not an officer or a agent but a poser and agitator. The CIA 201 file is proof that LHO is a paper pawn.

[scottnapa]

Oswald defection creates the need for a 201 file, as the USSR is our primary espionage target. The FBI is curious about Oswald as well and the liaison to the CIA is Sam Papich who inquires if the CIA has any information on Lee Harvey Oswald. The CIA response is DENIAL; " we have no info" and then places that memo in Oswald's 201 file as item #3, along with a note explaining that they lied to Papich.

"A CIA 201 file is opened when a person is considered to be of potential intelligence or counter-intelligence significance.
The opening of such a file is designed to serve the purpose of placing certain CIA information pertaining to that individual in one centralized records system. The 201 file is maintained in a folder belonging to the Directorate for Plans, the CIA component responsible for clandestine activities." This is the published HSCA definition of a 201 file. Notice the Oswald 201 file as another 201 file inside of it; the 201 file of Lee Henry OSWALD. item #13.
A CIA 201 file doesn't imply the person in question is a CIA officer, agent, target or asset.
A CIA 201 file means Operational interest. In U.S. Military 201 is personal information file.

[scottnapa]

Lee HENRY OSWALD is a "marked card". Part of a ploy. The CIA is setting a trap for anyone who may leak information at the Dept of State.
Lee Henry Oswald, is a file not a person. There is no evidence that the CIA has any sort of mission for Oswald. Oswald may be part of a ONI dangle.
Lee Harvey Oswald is a useful idiot in this scheme. The CIA has nothing lose here. If Oswald commits suicide in the Berlin Hotel in Moscow, no one at the CIA would care. .
Oswald lives and the Lee Henry Oswald story will continue to magically appear.

[FISHY1118]

You have been repeatedly asked to stop spamming that website and start presenting evidence.

Nothing on that website is evidence - it's a mix of speculation and lies.

Your wrong of course. There is much documented evidence which you have chosen to spew falsely as speculation and lies.. . I've seen and read it ,ive posted it ,and now I don't have to bother to present it . I can just say it exists . Much better that way.

[Patrick Differ]

Your wrong of course. There is much documented evidence which you have chosen to spew falsely as speculation and lies.. . I've seen and read it ,ive posted it ,and now I don't have to bother to present it . I can just say it exists . Much better that way.

Blaze is streaming current documents. Oswald and FPCC were CIA operations and there were other Marines in his Japanese Unit recruited by CIA. Oswald was in Russian speaking school as a Marine. It will come out.

[Lewis C]

Blaze is streaming current documents. Oswald and FPCC were CIA operations and there were other Marines in his Japanese Unit recruited by CIA. Oswald was in Russian speaking school as a Marine. It will come out.

If you say "it will come out", that means that it hasn't come out yet, which means that it's speculation.

[Patrick Differ]

If you say "it will come out", that means that it hasn't come out yet, which means that it's speculation.

Streaming current documents. Oswald was a CIA asset. Thats one reason they witheld documents. Reveals methods in terms of recruiting. Current documents tie Oswald- FPCC to CIA. But then that should not be a surprise at this point.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Why does there appear to be not a single news item on the internet saying that Oswald has been linked to the CIA via these new documents? Why does every person that I have read comments by say that nothing new about the assassination has been revealed by these files. I get the rather unsurprising impression that a complete lack of connection between Oswald and the CIA will be seen by some as ‘proof’ that there was a connection. A filmed confession by Oswald that he’d acted alone wouldn’t be enough. This has become almost a religious type of belief for some.

[Patrick Differ]

The current US Administration has described the CIA as worse than anyone can imagine. It would be highly unlikely to find any admission by the CIA or FBI in documents beyond tbe documents that admit to knowing who Oswald was. Oswald was being monitored by the FBI before the Assassination. Both agencies knew who he was before the assassination.

There are documents related to Oswalds time in Atsuki Japan and the U2 project. There are documents that show Oswald was in Russian speaking and writing school courtesy of the US Marines. There are documents showing his time in the Soviet Union. It was the height of the Cold War and any idea that Oswald was a Marine, trained in Russian, and just allowed to defect would, in my mind, be ludicrous.

There are many documents regarding all of the work Jim Garrison did and the CIA documents that analyze his interviews with the NYTimes and others in May 1967. Its hard to dispute the ties of CIA- Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie considering Ferrie was Oswalds boss in the Civil Air Patrol in New Orleans or the relationship between Carlos Marcello, Johnny Roselli and David Ferrie.

The CIA was into serious regime change in the 50s, 60's and possibly the 70's. It seems bizarre to think the Military Intelligence community would let one of their own military men, working on U2 in Japan, just go off to Russis. A very hard pill to swallow.

Im not sure what documents would satisfy those who think Oswald was a lone nut. Oswalds defection and return without being debriefed dispells that for me.

There will be those that believe there was more to JFK, RFK, and MLK ( hard to seperate these) than we have been told. The more you read thr more you look at the US Government and wonder if they were behind these 3 murders.

People searching for answers. Nothing wrong with that.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I agree that there’s nothing wrong with that but the tendency is to assume links. The fact that the FBI and the CIA knew of Oswald certainly gives them a reason for wanting to distance themselves from him which, for me, explains the perception of a cover-up. The Secret Service for example should have been warned about the presence of someone like Oswald before Kennedy’s visit. They did receive a list and checked out the people on it but they received nothing about the man that went on to kill the President. It’s hardly surprising that these agencies wanted to hide this fact. We can’t assume that they were involved because of this particular cover up though.

[Patrick Differ]

I agree that there’s nothing wrong with that but the tendency is to assume links. The fact that the FBI and the CIA knew of Oswald certainly gives them a reason for wanting to distance themselves from him which, for me, explains the perception of a cover-up. The Secret Service for example should have been warned about the presence of someone like Oswald before Kennedy’s visit. They did receive a list and checked out the people on it but they received nothing about the man that went on to kill the President. It’s hardly surprising that these agencies wanted to hide this fact. We can’t assume that they were involved because of this particular cover up though.

The only thing I know for sure Herlock is that governments never lie to its citizens. Just ask them :-) Peace!

[Herlock Sholmes]

The only thing I know for sure Herlock is that governments never lie to its citizens. Just ask them :-) Peace!

Absolutely Patrick. No one could doubt that governments lie, break the rules, defy convention and cover things up but we can’t assume that they lie on every single occasion. One of the main complaints from the Warren Commission counsels (which came across strongly in Shenon’s excellent book) was that it was like trying to get blood from a stone to get info from the FBI and the CIA. I don’t think that any of them were under any doubt that they held back information that showed them or potentially showed them in a bad light. One of their other main complaints was that Warren was far too concerned about the feelings of the Kennedy family.

I think that Oswald acted alone. You and many others think that he was part of a conspiracy. The problem is that we will never get to a stage where everyone agrees because evidence can be interpreted in different ways. To be honest, I just wish that it could be conclusively solved one way or another then the American people would be able to move on from this tragedy. Likewise the RFK murder which also has many thinking that it wasn’t just a straightforward assassination by a madman.

I’m from the UK and the last General Election was the first time that I didn’t bother to vote. I wouldn’t send any one of them to do my weekly shopping because they’d come back with the wrong stuff or disappear with my money.

[Lewis C]

The only thing I know for sure Herlock is that governments never lie to its citizens. Just ask them :-) Peace!

Hmm. You say this after referring, in your previous post, to what the current administration said, as if that meant something. It would be very hard to make the case that the current administration is more credible than a previous administration.

[Patrick Differ]

Hmm. You say this after referring, in your previous post, to what the current administration said, as if that meant something. It would be very hard to make the case that the current administration is more credible than a previous administration.

Two things here.
Do I trust any government to not lie ? No
Do I think this Administration can straighten out the CIA ? They said they were so will have to see.

As a note. The CIA in the 50's and 60's under Dulles had taken over the role of Department of State and was setting Foriegn Policy. Another reason JFK wanted to break up the CIA and fired Dulles. They were using assassinations fir regime change and the Kennedy brothers were going to stop it.