JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

The autopsy didn’t formally take place till 8 PM EST, which was 6 1/2 hours after the assassination. Up to this time there in no known back wound. None, nada, zip. So what were the known facts up to the start of the autopsy?

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.

Facts Gentlman.

How could they have seen a back wound in a man lying down?

But we know that Kennedy was shot in the back. It’s just a fact. Unless we take your position of The Magical Vanishing Bullet Theory. At least the so called Magic Bullet was found.

[FISHY1118]

1. I’m not basing his guilt on the WC findings at all.
2. Please show me where I’ve said that you or anyone on here is a ‘barking mad conspiracy theorist?’ In fact I made a very specific post days ago stating explicitly that I wasn’t accusing anyone on here of that. So it would be preferable if you would just stick to what has actually been said Fishy and not what you imagine has been said.

Oh i see were back to that again, ok i get it . ill just think you think that , is that ok ???

Why do you think his guilty then ?

[FISHY1118]

But I thought Johnson was part of the conspiracy? And yet here he is openly expressing doubts? Doesn’t sound very conspiracy-minded does it? Doubts aren’t facts Fishy. Many people ‘doubted’ that Hitler was a threat to world peace.

So Because he didnt believe that Connally and JFK were hit by the same bullet, that somehow gets him off the hook ?? What did you want him to say ''yer its bull#$# russell because we had another shooter from the front'' ? Youll have to do better than that.

[Herlock Sholmes]

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Were President Johnson and FBI Director Hoover guilty of burying the truth of what really happened concerning the JFK assassination?
Just hours after Oswald was killed, Deputy US Attorney General Nickolous Katzenbach wrote a memo that the American people must be convinced that Oswald was the sole assassin an acted on his own. How Katzenbach could determine this with an assassination investigation just beginning is hard to imagine. Yet this formed the basis for the Warren Commision.

What some American know is that President Johnson hand picked the Warren Commission members, and took every one of them aside and gave each one the same speal. It was important that Oswald be found guilty as being the lone assassin and not open up conspiracy leads, because that could well lead to Soviet or Cuban involvement, which could trigger a nuclear exchange where up to 40 million Americans could die. For the good of America, I am counting on you, said Lyndon Baines Johnson, the new President of the US. Powerful words. What many Americans might not know is that LBJ threatened to exposed a Mexico City incident that got a refusing Chief Justice Earl Warren to head the commission to suddeningly change his mind. Senator Richard Russell Jr, a long time friend of LBJ also tried to back out till President Johnson mentioned that Russell probably wanted a hotel breakfast incident left buried.

Such was the selection of the Warren Commission, under threats and intimidations with instructions to find Oswald as the lone assassin at all costs.

It would seem President Johnson had been consulting with FBI Director J Edgar Hoover to make these astounding claims, as the FBI was the foremost investgative agency in the US. But actually President Johnson had been honing his 40 M Americans might perish in a nuclear exchange spiel since the evening hours of the day of the assassination.

On the orders of newly sworn in President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Texan aide Cliff Carter on the evening of the assassination called Texas and Dallas officials, telling them to stop all conspiracy talk and halt all investigations of all assassination leads that didn’t point to Oswald being the lone assassin. Dallas County Prosecutor Henry Wade recieved three such calls made from the White House by Carter, who added that assassination leads could point to Cuba or the Soviets, and if made public would force the President to take actions he wanted to avoid, a possible nuclear exchange with the Soviets with up to 40 M Americans killed in an hour.

Dallas Police Chief Curry and Texas Attorney General Carr also recieved Carter’s call from the White House that evening.

Federal agencies didn’t have to be plea bargained by LBJ, for as President he could order them to carry out his commands.

As for Hoover, he claimed to have determined Oswald acted alone within two hours after he was arrested. This had to be seen as keen dectective instincts on Hoover’s part, as massive evident pointed to more shots than the FBI’s claimed three shots, all from the TSBD.

So Hoover led his FBI to be the only official investigative agency in the assassination. Oswald was to be protrayed as the lone assassin acting totally on his own, firing three shots.

Years later President Johnson would claim he didn’t think Oswald worked alone.

Do you get all of your ‘evidence’ from Quora Fishy? It appears to be the case. Try this…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/0393045250

Proper research by an experienced unbiased researcher.

Judge - Members of the jury, how do you find the accused, Lee Harvey Oswald, on the charges of killing President Kennedy and Officer Tippit?

Jury - Obviously, blatantly, evidently, manifestly, unmistakably, demonstrably, undeniably guilty your honour.

Judge - Hardly surprising given the overwhelming evidence and the feebleness of the case for the defence.

[FISHY1118]

Where have I heard this before? You claiming that something has already been dismissed to avoid answering something. Don’t worry Fishy I won’t pursue this because I have learned by now that this is your fall back position when short of an answer.

Bugliosi hasn’t been dismissed. He took the notion of conspiracy and tore it to shreds.

Tippit was killed by Oswald. The suggestion that he was killed by someone else is laughable. Witness after witness.

Dont worry herlock i know you wont watch the tippit video i posted . As far as bela lagosi goes, like i said its been done to death over this thread ,no need to go over old busted theories.

[FISHY1118]

Do you get all of your ‘evidence’ from Quora Fishy? It appears to be the case. Try this…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/0393045250

Proper research by an experienced unbiased researcher.

Judge - Members of the jury, how do you find the accused, Lee Harvey Oswald, on the charges of killing President Kennedy and Officer Tippit?

Jury - Obviously, blatantly, evidently, manifestly, unmistakably, demonstrably, undeniably guilty your honour.

Judge - Hardly surprising given the overwhelming evidence and the feebleness of the case for the defence.

I get my information anywhere and any source that show the W.C lied in its findings , and my word there a lot of it .

[FISHY1118]

The autopsy didn’t formally take place till 8 PM EST, which was 6 1/2 hours after the assassination. Up to this time there in no known back wound. None, nada, zip. So what were the known facts up to the start of the autopsy?

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.

Facts Gentlman.

We can all see the problem here . I think the judge was a little off that day .


Jury - Obviously, blatantly, evidently, manifestly, unmistakably, demonstrably, undeniably guilty your honour.

Judge - Hardly surprising given the overwhelming evidence and the feebleness of the case for the defence.

[Fiver]

The APB [all points bulletin] for the suspect of JFK's assassination was described as an early or mid-twenties caucasian male between 5′9–5′11 in height with a slight build and wearing a grey Eisenhower-type jacket.

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."

All witnesses claimed that one of the shooters wore a grey Eisenhower jacket. Lo and behold, someone found a grey Eisenhower jacket on the ground in a "church parking lot".

All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

[scottnapa]

Thanks for the answer Scott. Do you think it interesting that at that stage there still appeared to be doubt about where the autopsy was going to occur? Wouldn't you think that setting up an autopsy that was to have a prearranged outcome would have taken considerable time and effort? I can’t imagine that those involved would have just fallen into line on an issue like this.

Lock, Yes this is interesting. Why would this conversation exist? If this is a tug a war, who won?? Reed had the better talent for the autopsy.
And it was Reed that was contacted first. From the transcript:

"Roger, Roger. That’s General Heaton, the Surgeon General of the Army. Over
(Duplex is Dr Burkley)
- That is correct.

- Roger, Roger, standby.

- Air Force One, Crown. Standby please. This is the general now, over.

Air Force One, this is Crown. You were cut off. General Heaton is at Walter Reed Hospital. You will have to stand by for a moment or let me call you back when I get him on the line. It will take about a minute to reach him."

(Duplex is Gerry Behn Secret Service at Crown)- Duplex….arrival Andrews, Six Zero Five, standby,….ambulance from Walter Reed…transport body Over.
(CROWN)- Arrangements have been made for a helicopter for Bethesda Naval Medical Center. Over.
- Standby, Jerry, we’re going to have to get Berkley here.
Moments later:
- Ah….this is General Clifton. (Watchman)
-Yes General Clifton?
- We do not want a helicopter for Bethesda Medical Center. We do want the ambulance and a ground return from Andrews to Walter Reed. And we want the regular post mortem that has to be done by law, under guard, performed at Walter Reed. Is that clear? Over.
- That is clear General Clifton. You want an ambulance and a ah….another limousine at Andrews and you want the regular post mortem by law done at Walter Reed.
- That is correct. Hold on for a minute. Over.
then
(female operator) Go ahead, Duplex is on one, sir.
- Air Force One, Andrews. Give your party a call.
- Okay, Duplex, Duplex, this is Watchman. Over.
- Go ahead Watchman. Over.
- Duplex, this is Watchman. I understand that…ambulance… to Bethesda….is this correct? Over.
- Watchman. It has been arranged to helicopter, helicopter the body to Bethesda. Over.
- This is Watchman. That is okay if it isn’t dark. What about the First Lady? Over.
- Everybody else aboard, everybody else aboard, it has been arranged to helicopter into the South Grounds.
- Watchman….helicopter operation will work because we have a very heavy casket? Over.
- Ah, according to Witness, yes.
- This is Watchman. …. don’t take a chance on that. Have a mortuary type ambulance standing by in case the helicopter doesn’t work.

The Clifton tape has the Gen Curtis LeMay mention but the shorter LBJ tape does not.
"General LeMay is in a C-140
- The last three numbers are 497 - SAM.
- 497 last three numbers.
- Right. He is in bound. His code name is Grandson, and I want to talk to him."

There is no indication of a conversation on the tape talking about Bethesda versus Andrews. The Clifton tape has five spliced edits.
It may be that he was in the Navy, so the final choice could be a Navy consideration. A very clear example of something we don't know. Opposing view points will come to the conclusion that suits them.

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."



All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Point being , " conflict, contradiction, inconsistencies every where you turn , your source of witnesses are no more believed than mind .

[Fiver]

By the way, this "church" was called "The Abundant Life Temple". It was a refuge [safe house] for Cuban [anti-Castro] refugees, military-trained operatives, and CIA-controlled terrorists, with many chapters throughout the southern United States, particularly in New Orleans.;

Your source provides zero evidence for any of these claims. If true, it's the last place on earth a Marxist like Oswald would seek refuge.

[FISHY1118]

Clemons was the witness that Mark Lane bullied into saying what he wanted her to…on tape. Then when Bugliosi (who had been kicking Lane’s a**e in debates) threatened to play the tape in public Lane threatened to sue him.

If Mark Lane is connected forget it. Remember Lee Bowers? Saw nothing until Lane got to him. Not the only one either.

Thats rich , a witness being coerced into a false testimony!!!!!

Sounds familiar.

But then I'm sure you have evidence of mark lane bullying her into submission. ??

[Fiver]

Perhaps facts might have an effect one day Fiver?

I'm posting so undecided people can see the facts. People who have already made up their minds are unlikely to change.

[FISHY1118]

Your source provides zero evidence for any of these claims.

Funny about that, neither do yours , ....

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."



All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

You didn't reference the Dr's.............?

Liars ???