JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

They seemed to know more than the people investigating the crime.
Henry Wade mentioned the possibility of a second shooter at an evening press conference in Dallas.
One of the TSBD employees, who had been tagged as subversive due to some innocuous activity on behalf of veterans, was questioned around midnight IIRC.

[Doctored Whatsit]

Now your just being silly. Of course it is . Its right there in black and white. Another tick for the side of the truth.

I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about.

For the third time - the team selected to investigate on behalf of the WC were never given any request, guidance or encouragement to reach any specific conclusion. They have made this absolutely clear. They collected evidence and made their own decisions. In fact several of them said that when they started they believed that something as serious as the murder of the President must have been a conspiracy, but they couldn't find any evidence to justify such a claim.

That Johnson wanted a nice tidy conclusion that made his life easier is beyond dispute, but the investigating team were not given the slightest hint to suggest a particular result was required. It is totally erroneous to suggest otherwise.

[FISHY1118]

Do you not see the irony Fishy? You must do.

You criticise me for claiming that people lie and make mistakes whilst all the while claiming that people lied, faked evidence etc. I assume that it’s a case that only those on the conspiracy side have the ability to make judgments? I’ve already posted a very small section of the conspiracy theories that have been given credence by theorists which doesn’t exactly speak well of their judgment.

Well Herlock, your the one thats claiming Oswald killed JFK based solely on the Warren Commission findings , im just trying to show thats not the case . You claim we are all barking mad conspiracy theorist ,which is not the case at all . Showing evidence that contradicts the W.C is simply researching the facts that shows a different outcome that the one provided.

[FISHY1118]

Your opinion that the Warren Commission was a lie is simply that Fishy. Your opinion.

And ignoring evidence to the contrary. Which you yourself are doing . Thats my point

[FISHY1118]

And are you the only person capable of doing that Fishy? Vincent Bugliosi made a career from making judgments based on the evidence. He spent 20 years researching to produce the most detailed analysis of crime in the history of true crime. You dismiss that without reading it.

And before you accuse him of automatically being on the side of the government and its institutions consider that he also wrote a book called The Betrayal of America: How The Supreme Court Undermined The Constitution And Chose Our President - about the 2000 Presidential election. So he’s hardly a mouthpiece.

But if you prefer Garrison, Lane, Groden etc that’s up to you of course.

I believe Bugliosi has well been discussed , where by the many faults are exposed . I wonder what he would have made of this . Again more evidence of the warren commission contradictions where officer Tippits murder is concerned. But wait, could we have another name to add to the famous list of liars , mistaken , idiots , never exited ,witnesses ??.



Acquilla Clemons - Witness to the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xHGwUHZAA&ab_channel=HelmerReenberg

Acquilla Clemons lived on the north side of Tenth Street in Dallas. Clemons was sitting on the porch of her house when she saw Officer J. D. Tippit killed.Af...

[FISHY1118]

I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about.

For the third time - the team selected to investigate on behalf of the WC were never given any request, guidance or encouragement to reach any specific conclusion. They have made this absolutely clear. They collected evidence and made their own decisions. In fact several of them said that when they started they believed that something as serious as the murder of the President must have been a conspiracy, but they couldn't find any evidence to justify such a claim.

That Johnson wanted a nice tidy conclusion that made his life easier is beyond dispute, but the investigating team were not given the slightest hint to suggest a particular result was required. It is totally erroneous to suggest otherwise.

Yes You Do .


For the thrird time



LBJ stated in the early hours after the assassination that it was a ''matter of national security to pin all the blame on Oswald'' to avoid a nuclear war. Continuing to chase other assassination leads could easily point to the Soviets. President Johnson told the Warren Commission to make sure they place all the blame on Oswald so that the US didn’t end up having a nuclear exchange.

[FISHY1118]

The autopsy didn’t formally take place till 8 PM EST, which was 6 1/2 hours after the assassination. Up to this time there in no known back wound. None, nada, zip. So what were the known facts up to the start of the autopsy?

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.

Facts Gentlman.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Well Herlock, your the one thats claiming Oswald killed JFK based solely on the Warren Commission findings , im just trying to show thats not the case . You claim we are all barking mad conspiracy theorist ,which is not the case at all . Showing evidence that contradicts the W.C is simply researching the facts that shows a different outcome that the one provided.

1. I’m not basing his guilt on the WC findings at all.
2. Please show me where I’ve said that you or anyone on here is a ‘barking mad conspiracy theorist?’ In fact I made a very specific post days ago stating explicitly that I wasn’t accusing anyone on here of that. So it would be preferable if you would just stick to what has actually been said Fishy and not what you imagine has been said.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I believe Bugliosi has well been discussed , where by the many faults are exposed . I wonder what he would have made of this . Again more evidence of the warren commission contradictions where officer Tippits murder is concerned. But wait, could we have another name to add to the famous list of liars , mistaken , idiots , never exited ,witnesses ??.

Where have I heard this before? You claiming that something has already been dismissed to avoid answering something. Don’t worry Fishy I won’t pursue this because I have learned by now that this is your fall back position when short of an answer.

Bugliosi hasn’t been dismissed. He took the notion of conspiracy and tore it to shreds.

Tippit was killed by Oswald. The suggestion that he was killed by someone else is laughable. Witness after witness.

[FISHY1118]

RUSSELL: Well, it don’t make much difference but they said, they believe … the Commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I DON’T BELIEVE IT.

JOHNSON: I DON’T EITHER.

RUSSELL: So I couldn’t sign it and I said Governor Connally testified direct to the contrary and I’m not gonna fool with that. So, I finally made ‘em say there’s was a difference in the conviction in that. Part of ‘em believed that wasn’t so. And, of course, if a fella is accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off with the next one he’s leaning up against his wife’s head and he didn’t even wound her, why he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. According to that theory he not only missed the whole automobile he missed the street. Well, a man who’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile.

Arlen Specter had to come up with the Single Bullet Theory, otherwise there was at least a fourth shot, meaning Oswald wasn’t the lone assassin.


Johnson and Russell didnt believe the magic bullet lie .

[Herlock Sholmes]

I believe Bugliosi has well been discussed , where by the many faults are exposed . I wonder what he would have made of this . Again more evidence of the warren commission contradictions where officer Tippits murder is concerned. But wait, could we have another name to add to the famous list of liars , mistaken , idiots , never exited ,witnesses ??.



Acquilla Clemons - Witness to the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xHGwUHZAA&ab_channel=HelmerReenberg

Acquilla Clemons lived on the north side of Tenth Street in Dallas. Clemons was sitting on the porch of her house when she saw Officer J. D. Tippit killed.Af...

Clemons was the witness that Mark Lane bullied into saying what he wanted her to…on tape. Then when Bugliosi (who had been kicking Lane’s a**e in debates) threatened to play the tape in public Lane threatened to sue him.

If Mark Lane is connected forget it. Remember Lee Bowers? Saw nothing until Lane got to him. Not the only one either.

[Fiver]

He was not afforded counsel before being assassinated yet asked for representation repeatedly.

The Miranda Decision wasn't until 1966. Dallas Police didn't have to read him his rights or provide him a lawyer.

But Oswald was not denied counsel. H. Louis Nichols, head of the Texas Bar Association visited Oswald.

Mr. NICHOLS. I said, "What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?"
He said, "No, not now."
He said, "You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me."
I said, "Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me, whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about getting a lawyer right now."
And he said, "No."

[Herlock Sholmes]

RUSSELL: Well, it don’t make much difference but they said, they believe … the Commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I DON’T BELIEVE IT.

JOHNSON: I DON’T EITHER.

RUSSELL: So I couldn’t sign it and I said Governor Connally testified direct to the contrary and I’m not gonna fool with that. So, I finally made ‘em say there’s was a difference in the conviction in that. Part of ‘em believed that wasn’t so. And, of course, if a fella is accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off with the next one he’s leaning up against his wife’s head and he didn’t even wound her, why he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. According to that theory he not only missed the whole automobile he missed the street. Well, a man who’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile.

Arlen Specter had to come up with the Single Bullet Theory, otherwise there was at least a fourth shot, meaning Oswald wasn’t the lone assassin.


Johnson and Russell didnt believe the magic bullet lie .

But I thought Johnson was part of the conspiracy? And yet here he is openly expressing doubts? Doesn’t sound very conspiracy-minded does it? Doubts aren’t facts Fishy. Many people ‘doubted’ that Hitler was a threat to world peace.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Miranda Decision wasn't until 1966. Dallas Police didn't have to read him his rights or provide him a lawyer.

But Oswald was not denied counsel. H. Louis Nichols, head of the Texas Bar Association visited Oswald.

Mr. NICHOLS. I said, "What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?"
He said, "No, not now."
He said, "You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me."
I said, "Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me, whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about getting a lawyer right now."
And he said, "No."

Perhaps facts might have an effect one day Fiver?

[FISHY1118]

I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about.

For the third time - the team selected to investigate on behalf of the WC were never given any request, guidance or encouragement to reach any specific conclusion. They have made this absolutely clear. They collected evidence and made their own decisions. In fact several of them said that when they started they believed that something as serious as the murder of the President must have been a conspiracy, but they couldn't find any evidence to justify such a claim.

That Johnson wanted a nice tidy conclusion that made his life easier is beyond dispute, but the investigating team were not given the slightest hint to suggest a particular result was required. It is totally erroneous to suggest otherwise.

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Were President Johnson and FBI Director Hoover guilty of burying the truth of what really happened concerning the JFK assassination?
Just hours after Oswald was killed, Deputy US Attorney General Nickolous Katzenbach wrote a memo that the American people must be convinced that Oswald was the sole assassin an acted on his own. How Katzenbach could determine this with an assassination investigation just beginning is hard to imagine. Yet this formed the basis for the Warren Commision.

What some American know is that President Johnson hand picked the Warren Commission members, and took every one of them aside and gave each one the same speal. It was important that Oswald be found guilty as being the lone assassin and not open up conspiracy leads, because that could well lead to Soviet or Cuban involvement, which could trigger a nuclear exchange where up to 40 million Americans could die. For the good of America, I am counting on you, said Lyndon Baines Johnson, the new President of the US. Powerful words. What many Americans might not know is that LBJ threatened to exposed a Mexico City incident that got a refusing Chief Justice Earl Warren to head the commission to suddeningly change his mind. Senator Richard Russell Jr, a long time friend of LBJ also tried to back out till President Johnson mentioned that Russell probably wanted a hotel breakfast incident left buried.

Such was the selection of the Warren Commission, under threats and intimidations with instructions to find Oswald as the lone assassin at all costs.

It would seem President Johnson had been consulting with FBI Director J Edgar Hoover to make these astounding claims, as the FBI was the foremost investgative agency in the US. But actually President Johnson had been honing his 40 M Americans might perish in a nuclear exchange spiel since the evening hours of the day of the assassination.

On the orders of newly sworn in President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Texan aide Cliff Carter on the evening of the assassination called Texas and Dallas officials, telling them to stop all conspiracy talk and halt all investigations of all assassination leads that didn’t point to Oswald being the lone assassin. Dallas County Prosecutor Henry Wade recieved three such calls made from the White House by Carter, who added that assassination leads could point to Cuba or the Soviets, and if made public would force the President to take actions he wanted to avoid, a possible nuclear exchange with the Soviets with up to 40 M Americans killed in an hour.

Dallas Police Chief Curry and Texas Attorney General Carr also recieved Carter’s call from the White House that evening.

Federal agencies didn’t have to be plea bargained by LBJ, for as President he could order them to carry out his commands.

As for Hoover, he claimed to have determined Oswald acted alone within two hours after he was arrested. This had to be seen as keen dectective instincts on Hoover’s part, as massive evident pointed to more shots than the FBI’s claimed three shots, all from the TSBD.

So Hoover led his FBI to be the only official investigative agency in the assassination. Oswald was to be protrayed as the lone assassin acting totally on his own, firing three shots.

Years later President Johnson would claim he didn’t think Oswald worked alone.