JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

[An upper floor encounter

In his original affidavit, Dallas Officer Marrion Baker said that in their climb up rear stairwell, he and Roy Truly encountered a man on "the third or fourth floor" who was "walking away from the stairway" and who Truly vouched for. This man, Baker said was wearing "a light brown jacket".

I suggest that this was NOT the second floor Oswald-in-the-lunchroom-vestibule encounter. He didn't even match Oswald's description. This was a second, separate encounter with a man who was coming down the rear stairwell, heard the commotion on the second floor and tried to duck out on the floor he was on.

That's why Baker saw him walking away from the stairway.

Your source is lying again. The man matches Oswald's description.

The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

And Baker said it was Oswald.

Representative BOGGS -Let me ask one other question. You later, when you recognized this man as Lee Oswald, is that right, saw pictures of him?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. I had occasion to see him in the homicide office later that evening after we got through with Parkland Hospital and then Love Field and we went back to the City Hall and I went up there and made this affidavit.

Mr. BELIN - Did you notice, did he say anything or was there any expression after Mr. Truly said he worked here?
Mr. BAKER - At that time I never did look back toward him. After he says, "Yes, he works here," I turned immediately and run on up, I halfway turned then when I was talking to Mr. Truly.

SENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?
Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.

SENATOR COOPER - Anyway, as you walked up the stairs could you see into each floor space as you passed from floor to floor?
Mr. BAKER - Partly. Now, this building has got pillars in it, you know, and then it has got books, cases of books stacked all in it. And the best that I could, you know, I would look through there and see if I could see anybody.
SENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir.
SENATOR COOPER - When you looked?
Mr. BAKER - Not from the second floor on up.

[Fiver]

On March 19, 1964, Caster provided the FBI with an alibi for the first time, which it never looked into, that he was having lunch with Professor Vernon V. Payne at North Texas State University in Denton when the President was assassinated.

Your source is good for a laugh, since it appears he believes a Conspiracy with the resources of the FBI, Secret Service, Dallas Police, and the CIA would pick a 45-year-old assistant manager with the Southwestern Publishing Company as the best gunman they could find. And then that this bumbler would bring two rifles to the TSBD two days before the assassination and show them to witnesses.

[Fiver]

There's testimony that a Mauser was in the building two days before. It was reported that they discovered a Mauser on the 22nd. Yet people on this forum look at replacing a Mauser with a Mannlicher Carcano as if it was some kind of incredible, impossible feat.

Replacing a Mauser with a Carcano would have been a feat of incredible stupidity. But that is the Conspiracy you claim - a pack of bumbling buffoons who planted the wrong rifle, the wrong bullets, and the wrong jacket.

[Fiver]

What a lot of people don't realize is how important clothing is to the "positive identification" of a suspect. Unless you can prove that the suspect changed clothes AFTER committing the crime, the identification of a suspect's clothes is secondary only to facial recognition in a witness' identification of a suspect.

And here your source dodges the evidence that multiple witnesses ID'd Oswald by his face.

[Fiver]

]The Commission failed to mention in its Report that witnesses had described the Tippit killer's jacket as a sport jacket, dark in color and of a rough fabric, all descriptions that did not match the jacket in evidence.

Lets look at the witnesses.

Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.
Mr. BELIN - Did it have buttons or a zipper, or do you remember?
Mr. BENAVIDES - It seemed like it was a zipper-type jacket.

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Jimmy Earl Burt - At that moment he caught a glimpse of a man running on the sidewalk on the south side of the street. The man at this point had reached the intersection of 10th and Patton Streets. He described this man as a white male, approximately 5'8". He was wearing a light colored short jacket.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BALL. How is it different?
Mrs. Barbara DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. Virginia DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize him from his clothing?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had on a light short jacket, dark trousers. I looked at his clothing, but I looked at his face, too.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

William A. Smith - He said he was too far away from the individual to positively identify him but he said he was a white male, about 5' 7" to 5'8", 20 to 25 years of age, 150-160, wearing a white shirt, light brown jacket and dark pants.

Jack R Tatum - At the time I was just approaching the squad car, I noticed this young white male with both hands in the pockets of his zippered jacket leaning over the passenger side of the squad car.

So your source is lying again. Barbara Davis was the only witness to describe the jacket as dark, or a sport jacket, or said it was a wool fabric. None of the other 10 witnesses said it was a sport jacket. None of the other 10 witnesses said the jacket was rough fabric. None of the other 10 witnesses said the jacket was dark in color and 9 of them said it was light in color.

[FISHY1118]

No Fishy. The autopsy photo and the Zapruder film make a mockery of Clint Hill’s recollection. A fallible human being against infallible evidence.

Seriouly ?????? Wow , that you would put your faith in a ''Fake Autopsy Photo'' [and tell me please just how excactly does the zupruder film make a ''mockery'' of what Clint Hill said he saw when describing the back of JFKs head ?] over Clint Hill and what he saw that clearly haunted him for the rest of his life, and your defence is his Fallabilty?????? . WHAT A SHAMEFUL EXCUSE, and an insult to the memory of Clint Hill.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Seriouly ?????? Wow , that you would put your faith in a ''Fake Autopsy Photo'' [and tell me please just how excactly does the zupruder film make a ''mockery'' of what Clint Hill said he saw when describing the back of JFKs head ?] over Clint Hill and what he saw that clearly haunted him for the rest of his life, and your defence is his Fallabilty?????? . WHAT A SHAMEFUL EXCUSE, and an insult to the memory of Clint Hill.

You don’t understand?

Have you seen the Zapruder film?

There is no huge back of the head wound. Or any visible back of the head wound.

Therefore there was no back of the head wound.

It’s there in colour. Couldn’t be clearer. Couldn’t be simpler. It ends the argument.

….

And Fishy, I see that your back to your usual tactic of dropping the word ‘insult’ into the conversation. To say that someone was mistaken isn’t an insult. So I’m only accusing Hill of being mistaken; you on the other hand are accusing many people of actually lying. So get off your invisible high horse and lose your fake outrage while all the time you are actually trying traduce so many people.

[Herlock Sholmes]

People saw someone in the 6th floor window. How many saw a Grassy Knoll shouter? None. All of those people standing around and not one person saw this person (please don’t bother mentioning Badge Man or Lee Bower’s recital of his Mark Lane script) Why? I think that we all know.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The JFK head and neck wounds: the incongruities. MUST-SEE VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9v0rpOfwiE&ab_channel=VincePalamara

More evidence the Warren Commission faked the Autopsy photos of JFKs head .


All these people, according to the lone gunman gullible believers either lied , were mistaken , were stupid , never existed, and the brand new one to the list ''FALLIBLE ''!!!!!!!!!!


JUST CHECK OUT WHAT CLINT HILL SAYS AT 28.13 MIN IN . GAME OVER FOLKS , AND HE NEVER CHANGED HIS EYEWITHNESS ACCOUNT ..... EVER..., ''I WAS THERE ON THE DAY, IN THE LIMO''

Zapruder film…no rear head wound…it’s all there…cut and paste as much as you want Fishy…you can’t change it.

No back of the head wound.

[FISHY1118]

You don’t understand?

Have you seen the Zapruder film?

There is no huge back of the head wound. Or any visible back of the head wound.

Therefore there was no back of the head wound.

It’s there in colour. Couldn’t be clearer. Couldn’t be simpler. It ends the argument.

….

And Fishy, I see that your back to your usual tactic of dropping the word ‘insult’ into the conversation. To say that someone was mistaken isn’t an insult. So I’m only accusing Hill of being mistaken; you on the other hand are accusing many people of actually lying. So get off your invisible high horse and lose your fake outrage while all the time you are actually trying traduce so many people.

''Therefore there was no back of the head wound.''


YOUR WRONG HERLOCK , AND YOU KNOW IT . ILL REPEAT ..... ITS AN INSULT , THERE HAPPY ? 768 PAGES TO GO .

[Herlock Sholmes]

''Therefore there was no back of the head wound.''


YOUR WRONG HERLOCK , AND YOU KNOW IT . ILL REPEAT ..... ITS AN INSULT , THERE HAPPY ? 768 PAGES TO GO .

It’s not me that’s saying it Fishy.

Zapruder film…no large back of the head wound.

[FISHY1118]

Zapruder film…no rear head wound…it’s all there…cut and paste as much as you want Fishy…you can’t change it.

No back of the head wound.

Its called evidence herlock , which you obviously choose to ignore . The autopsy photo is fake , its proven to be fake and everyone but you knows it .

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s called evidence herlock , which you obviously choose to ignore . The autopsy photo is fake , it’s proven to be fake and everyone but you knows it .

Zapruder film…no rear head wound

[Herlock Sholmes]

The JFK head and neck wounds: the incongruities. MUST-SEE VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9v0rpOfwiE&ab_channel=VincePalamara

More evidence the Warren Commission faked the Autopsy photos of JFKs head .


All these people, according to the lone gunman gullible believers either lied , were mistaken , were stupid , never existed, and the brand new one to the list ''FALLIBLE ''!!!!!!!!!!


JUST CHECK OUT WHAT CLINT HILL SAYS AT 28.13 MIN IN . GAME OVER FOLKS , AND HE NEVER CHANGED HIS EYEWITHNESS ACCOUNT ..... EVER..., ''I WAS THERE ON THE DAY, IN THE LIMO''

And what about these Parkland doctors Fishy?


Dr. Charles Baxter testified that the head exit wound was in the “temporal parietal” area.

Dr. Robert Grossman, the Neurosurgeon who accompanied Dr. William Kemp Clark into the trauma room said that the large defect he saw was “in the parietal area above the right ear.” Bugliosi, being an honest investigator, added that Grossman’s credibility on this matter might be questioned though. He elucidates in an endnote which is on the cd-Rom which accompanies his book which I don’t have the facility to read so I can’t explain further.

Dr. Adolphe Giesecke Jr testified that the exit wound extended from “ the brow line [ridge above the eye] to the occiput on the left (sic) hand side of the head.”

Dr. Marion T. Jenkins, anaesthesiologist, said he saw “a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital)”

Dr. Kenneth Salyer said that the exit wound was in the “right temporal region.”

Dr. Donald Seldin, Chairman of the Department of Medicine, said that “ the entire frontal, parietal and temporal bones were shattered….I believe that the official story is accurate in all details.”


Would you please go on record and call these 6 doctors liars please.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Looks like Fishy has gone to phone Gil Jesus.