JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[scottnapa]

Whats the connection please Scott?

Oswald is always described as downstairs not balcony
Brewer sees him from the stage
Stringfellow is the one who said Oswald defected to Cuba. A troublesome lie.

ASSISTANT CHIEF DON STRINGFELLOW, INTELLIGENCE SECTION, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOTIFIED 112TH INTC GP, THIS HQ, THAT INFORMATION OBRAINED FROM OSWALD REVEALED HE HAD DEFECTED TO CUBA IN 1959 AND IS CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF COMMUNIST PARTY EVALUATION B-3

(FOUO) DCSI COMMENT , FBI, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND SAN ANTONIO LIGHT NEWSPAPER STATED OSWALD TRAVELED TO MOSCOW, USSR, IN 1959. POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT OSWALD MAY HAVE TRAVELED TO USSR VIA CUBA, IN VIEW OF ABOVE INFORMATION UNCOVERED BY DALLAS POLICE.”

In November, 1963 Leonard Don Stringfellow was a Detective in the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department Special Services Bureau, headed by Captain W. P. Gannaway.

[Doctored Whatsit]

RUSSELL: Well, it don’t make much difference but they said, they believe … the Commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I DON’T BELIEVE IT.

JOHNSON: I DON’T EITHER.

RUSSELL: So I couldn’t sign it and I said Governor Connally testified direct to the contrary and I’m not gonna fool with that. So, I finally made ‘em say there’s was a difference in the conviction in that. Part of ‘em believed that wasn’t so. And, of course, if a fella is accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off with the next one he’s leaning up against his wife’s head and he didn’t even wound her, why he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. According to that theory he not only missed the whole automobile he missed the street. Well, a man who’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile.

Arlen Specter had to come up with the Single Bullet Theory, otherwise there was at least a fourth shot, meaning Oswald wasn’t the lone assassin.


Johnson and Russell didnt believe the magic bullet lie .

Interesting that Johnson's opinion is considered relevant when he hadn't even read the WC report when he said this!

I see no point in continuing this debate as both sides are well dug in, and irrelevant, stale and inaccurate information is being tossed about to justify opinions. I'm going back to JtR!

[FISHY1118]

Oswald is always described as downstairs not balcony
Brewer sees him from the stage
Stringfellow is the one who said Oswald defected to Cuba. A troublesome lie.

ASSISTANT CHIEF DON STRINGFELLOW, INTELLIGENCE SECTION, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOTIFIED 112TH INTC GP, THIS HQ, THAT INFORMATION OBRAINED FROM OSWALD REVEALED HE HAD DEFECTED TO CUBA IN 1959 AND IS CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF COMMUNIST PARTY EVALUATION B-3

(FOUO) DCSI COMMENT , FBI, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND SAN ANTONIO LIGHT NEWSPAPER STATED OSWALD TRAVELED TO MOSCOW, USSR, IN 1959. POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT OSWALD MAY HAVE TRAVELED TO USSR VIA CUBA, IN VIEW OF ABOVE INFORMATION UNCOVERED BY DALLAS POLICE.”

In November, 1963 Leonard Don Stringfellow was a Detective in the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department Special Services Bureau, headed by Captain W. P. Gannaway.

Thanks for that.

[FISHY1118]

Interesting that Johnson's opinion is considered relevant when he hadn't even read the WC report when he said this!

I see no point in continuing this debate as both sides are well dug in, and irrelevant, stale and inaccurate information is being tossed about to justify opinions. I'm going back to JtR!

Johnson and Russell new the relevance of the "Magic Bullet" when the Warren Commission tried to convince everyone of what it supposedly did .

[Herlock Sholmes]

I get my information anywhere and any source that show the W.C lied in its findings , and my word there a lot of it .

But don’t you think that the source is important. Any historian will tell you this. But how about this for evidence, posted by Fiver in response to points made by yourself:

. Neutron analysis showed that the lead fragment found in JFK's head (CE 843) matched the bullet fragment from the front seat cushion (CE 567).

CE 567 still had part of the metal jacketing, so it could be compared to test bullets fire from Oswald's rifle.

Testimony Of Robert A. Frazier. Frazier was able to compare the markings of shell casing of bullets fired from Oswald's rifle with the shell casings found in the sniper's nest (CE 543, CE 544 and CE 545). All three matched the test casings. Frazier was able to compare the markings on bullets fired from Oswald's rifle with the markings on the stretcher bullet (CE 399), the bullet fragment from seat cushion (CE 567), and the bullet fragment from front seat (CE 569). All three matched the test bullets.

Affidavit of Charles L. Killion. Killion did independent testing and agreed with all of Frazier's conclusions.

Testimony of Joseph D. Nichol. Nichol did independent testing and agreed with all of Frazier's conclusions..

Testimony of Donald E Champagne. Champagne did independent testing of the shell casings and agreed with all of Frazier's conclusions.

Testimony of Andrew M Newquist. Newquist did independent testing of the bullet and bullet fragments and agreed with all of Frazier's conclusions.

You didn’t respond (as expected) but how could evidence be stronger than this? Test done, the results of which totally refute your argument. Then 4 people tested independently and confirmed the original conclusions. Do you think that a jury would ignore/dismiss 5 independent tests all arriving at the same conclusion Fishy? This is evidence.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Clint Hill's March 9, 1964 Warren Commission testimony.

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Clint Hill said:

• The president's head was in Mrs. Kennedy's lap, his eyes fix, and a gaping hole in the back of his skull.

• His eyes are fixed and I can see inside the back of his head.
• His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head.

• It looked like someone had flipped open the back of his head, stuck in an ice-cream scoop and removed a portion of the brain...
• President Kennedy lay unmoving, a bloody, gaping, fist-sized hole clearly visible in the back of his head.

• The right rear portion of his head was missing. The right rear portion of his head was missing.The right rear portion of his head was missing.

I'd like to dedicate this post to all the researchers who believe that the ~20 Parkland professionals were wrong in their early statements that the large blowout wound was on the BACK of Kennedy's head.

You All remember Clint Hill dont you guys ? ,just in case ill refresh your memories ,his the guy who jumped on the Presidential limo to help Jackie back into her seat ,

Tell me his lying , mistaken , a stark raving conspiracy theory lunitic , or maybe he too like so many others simply never existed . ???????



We again see that you are wrong.

From an interview with Clint Hill for The Guardian by David Smith in Washington in November of 2023:


Hill jumped from his position on the follow-up car and ran toward the presidential vehicle but, as he approached, he “felt” the third shot hit Kennedy in the head. “It entered lower on the back of the head and blew out a section of his skull just behind and above the right ear.

“With that came blood, bone fragments, brain material. Mrs Kennedy then started to get up on the trunk: she was trying to reach some of that material that had come out of the president’s head. I grabbed hold of her when I got up on top of the car and helped her get back into the back seat. When I did that, the president’s body fell further to its left and his head ended up in her lap.”

He continues in a steady voice: “I got up on the back of the top of the trunk and lay there forming a barrier so that nothing further could injure them. But I looked down and I saw the condition the president was in. There was a massive hole in the skull area: there was nothing there, no brain material.”

[Herlock Sholmes]

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a ''Large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.''

Are the Drs , They being the ''Medical Experts'' you seem to hold in such high regard , [a]Wrong , b[]Mistaken , [c]Idiots, [d]Never Existed ?

Mistaken. Although, from memory, at least one lied - as per other doctors.

If you want your house re-wiring do you ask an electrician or a carpenter?

If you want a wall building do you ask an electrician builder or a greengrocer?

If you want to know about the nature of wounds do you ask a doctors who are trying to save the patients life or the doctors whose job it is specifically to describe the nature of the wounds?

I’m almost tempted to accuse the Parkland doctors of being part of a conspiracy to discredit the autopsy doctors. This has been gone over numerous times. Bugliosi goes over it in minute details and, as ever, the reality is nothing like the conspiracists headline grabbing.

[FISHY1118]

From an interview with Clint Hill for The Guardian by David Smith in Washington in November of 2023:


Hill jumped from his position on the follow-up car and ran toward the presidential vehicle but, as he approached, he “felt” the third shot hit Kennedy in the head. “It entered lower on the back of the head and blew out a section of his skull just behind and above the right ear.

“With that came blood, bone fragments, brain material. Mrs Kennedy then started to get up on the trunk: she was trying to reach some of that material that had come out of the president’s head. I grabbed hold of her when I got up on top of the car and helped her get back into the back seat. When I did that, the president’s body fell further to its left and his head ended up in her lap.”

He continues in a steady voice: “I got up on the back of the top of the trunk and lay there forming a barrier so that nothing further could injure them. But I looked down and I saw the condition the president was in. There was a massive hole in the skull area: there was nothing there, no brain material.”

You'll have to do better than than that ,

The third shot had already hit Kennedy before hill got close to the limo . , how did hill know it "entered" Kennedy in the lower back of the head? He was a SS agent not a doctor .

An interview from 2023 well best not go there . .

Oh and umm your forgetting something , the big hole in the back of Kennedy's skull where all his brains yused to be .

Know look at the autopsy pics ,what do you see ? Fake.

[FISHY1118]

But don’t you think that the source is important. Any historian will tell you this. But how about this for evidence, posted by Fiver in response to points made by yourself:



You didn’t respond (as expected) but how could evidence be stronger than this? Test done, the results of which totally refute your argument. Then 4 people tested independently and confirmed the original conclusions. Do you think that a jury would ignore/dismiss 5 independent tests all arriving at the same conclusion Fishy? This is evidence.

There was more fragments in Connally .

Nurse Audrey Bell . From the list of liars ,morons , idiots

CE399 was in pristine condition .

Every way you look at it c399 is the Warren Commission biggest lie .

[FISHY1118]

Mistaken. Although, from memory, at least one lied - as per other doctors.

If you want your house re-wiring do you ask an electrician or a carpenter?

If you want a wall building do you ask an electrician builder or a greengrocer?

If you want to know about the nature of wounds do you ask a doctors who are trying to save the patients life or the doctors whose job it is specifically to describe the nature of the wounds?

I’m almost tempted to accuse the Parkland doctors of being part of a conspiracy to discredit the autopsy doctors. This has been gone over numerous times. Bugliosi goes over it in minute details and, as ever, the reality is nothing like the conspiracists headline grabbing.

Sorry I'm not buying that ,

You can't just speculate they all lied.

Remember they saw Kennedy 10 mins after he was shot, surely you dont believe they could have made all that up ? We are talking the president of the u.s . .


The list of just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Let see who else we can add to it that makes the Warren Commission findings look totally stupid.

[Fiver]

The next lead the Dallas PD followed came from a shopkeeper, who claimed a man walking down a street had passed in front of his display window and "looked suspicious". This suspicious man entered a movie theater (adjacent to his clothing store) without paying. That may seem like an observant citizen, who was looking for the murderer of Officer Tippit or at least the shooter of JFK and Gov. Connelly, only there's one problem. The APB was only broadcasted on "police frequencies". The commercial radio broadcasts hadn't circulated the description of Tippit's shooter(s) or JFK, only the shooting in Dealey. By the way, no one knows who reported the description to the Dallas DP dispatch.

This is a mix of inaccuracies and outright lies by your source. Hardly surprising when it had already parroted Jim Garrison's lunacy about the Abundant Life Temple.

Actual police tapes show a great deal of confusion on where Oswald went.

	75	NBC News is reporting DOA.
	Dispatcher	That's correct.
	75 (?)	That the officer?
	Dispatcher	Yes.

This is at least 8 minutes before Johnny Brewer saw Oswald.

"A white station wagon believed to be P (Paul) E (Ellis) 3435, unknown make or model, late model, occupied by two white males, left this fellow's station going east on Davis and believed they had a shotgun or rifle laying in the back seat."

"We're shaking down these old houses out here in the 400 block of East Jefferson right now."

"Send squad over here to Tenth and Crawford to check out this church basement."

	223	(Tires squealing, noises) 223, he in the library at Jefferson - east 500 block Marsalis and Jefferson.
	223	223.
	Dispatcher	What's the location, 223?
	223 (Ptm. C.T. Walker)	Marsalis and Jefferson. In the library. I'm going around the back. Get somebody in front. Get them in fast.
	Dispatcher	Any unit near Marsalis and Jefferson at the library.

			550/2 (Sergeant Gerald L. Hill)	A witness reports that he last was seen in the Abundant Life Temple about the 400 block. We are fixing to go in and shake it down.
			Dispatcher	Is that the one that was involved in the shooting of the officer?
			550/2	Yes.

Needless to say, there was lots of police activity in the area before Johnny Brewer saw Oswald.

Mr. BREWER. I looked up and out towards the street and the police cars----
Mr. BELIN. When you looked up, did you step out of the store at all?
Mr. BREWER. No; I was Still in the store behind the counter, and I looked up and saw the man enter the lobby.

Mr. BELIN. All right, you saw a man going into what you referred to as this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER. Yes; and he stood there with his back to the street.
Mr. BELIN. When did he go in now? What did you hear at the time that he stepped into this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER. I heard the police cars coming up Jefferson, and he stepped in, and the police made a U-turn and went back down East Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN. Where did he make the U-turn?
Mr. BREWER. At Zangs.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the sirens going away?
Mr. BREWER. Yes; the sirens were going away. I presume back to where the officer had been shot, because it was back down that way. And when they turned and left, Oswald looked over his shoulder and turned around and walked up West Jefferson towards the theatre.
Mr. BELIN. Let me hold you a minute. You used the word Oswald. Did you know who the man was at the time you saw him?
Mr. BREWER. No.

Mr. BELIN. Then what did you see this man do?
Mr. BREWER. He turned and walked out of the lobby and went up West Jefferson toward the theatre, and I walked out the front and watched him, and he went into the theatre.
Mr. BELIN. What theatre is that?
Mr. BREWER. Texas Theatre.
Mr. BELIN. Why did you happen to watch this particular man?
Mr. BREWER. He just looked funny to me. Well, in the first place, I had seen him some place before. I think he had been in my store before. And when you wait on somebody, you recognize them, and he just seemed funny. His hair was sort of messed up and looked like he had been running, and he looked scared, and he looked funny.
Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any of his actions when he was standing in your lobby there?
Mr. BREWER. No; he just stood there and stared.
Mr. BELIN. He stared?
Mr. BREWER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Was he looking at the merchandise?
Mr. BREWER. Not anything in particular. He was just standing there staring.

Oswald wasn't just "walking down a street". He looked scared and like he had been running. He ducked into the lobby of Brewer's shoe store when a police car approached, watched until the police car was gone, then ducked into the Texas Theatre without paying.

[Fiver]

Back to the murder of Tippet. Every eye witness who saw the murder of Officer Tippit gave contradictory descriptions of Tippett's killer(s). I say 'killers' because at least one witness claimed there were at least two individuals involved in the shooting of Tippet. One witness, Benevides, later retracted his statement to law enforcement after his brother was murdered. Both he and his brother looked alike, and it is believed that the murderer of his brother (who was never found) mistook his older brother for him.

Yet more lies from your source.

* The witness descriptions were not copy-paste identical to others, but five people ID'd Oswald.
* Only one witness, Acquilla Clemens, claimed to have seen two men leaving the scene. Most likely it was salesman and former marine Ted Calloway, who took Tippit's gun to hunt for Tippit's killer and taxi driver William Scoggins, who mistakenly though Calloway was police or Secret Service.
* "The testimony of Domingo Benavides was taken at 2:30 p.m., on April 2, 1964". He never retracted this testimony.
* Eddy Benavides was shot to death in February 1965. long after his brother testified.
* Eddy Benavides' killer, Radford Lee Hill, was caught, confessed, and went to prison.

[Fiver]

Another witness [Clemmons] said she saw at least two men, not one, involved in the murder. She was warned or threatened by law enforcement representatives not to speak about her testimony to anyone, not even her family, or she might be in "serious trouble". She complied somewhat. Her testimony was never entered or quantified by the Warren Commission or the HSCA. Still, her statement is on file with the Dallas DA and in a filmed interview by Mark Lane that you can still see on YouTube. The only media interview she ever gave.

Another witness? Your source had already pretended she was more than one person and now it's trying to use her a third time.

Clemons is the only person who claimed two people left the scene of Tippit's murder. She's one of many people whose story became a lot juicier once Mark Lane talked to them.

"In fact, the Assassinations Committee had had a veritable feast on Lane's inaccuracies in the King case, from his published interview with Ray's alibi witness, who admitted to the committee that he told Lane a false story in hopes of gaining fame and fortune, to his allegations about the Memphis police removal of black police detective Ed Redditt, who turned out to be as much a police spy as a security guard, and whose removal from a watch post near the Lorraine Motel was apparently motivated by nothing more than fear of reprisal from King's people should they discover the spying." - Mother Jones magazine

"Lane was not one to be fastidious with data. The glaring errors and extravagances in some of his statements cast unfortunate doubt on the rest of them. He tantalized the Warren Commission with a story about a meeting a week before the assassination between Ruby, the slain police officer J. D.Tippit (killed shortly after Kennedy)and the man who printed up "Wanted for Treason" posters with JFK's picture on them. But the affidavits were never forthcoming." - Mother Jones magazine

""Lane has never seen a lily without wanting to gild it," complains rival conspiracy researcher Harold Weisberg. "I only wish he were content to steal from others, but he has this urge to invent his own stuff." - Mother Jones magazine

[Fiver]

If LHO had murdered Tippit, he would have had to walk/jog/run nearly a mile in under thirteen minutes to get to the movie theater.

Your source is lying again.

Google Maps shows it was 0.6 miles from the murder site to the Texas Theater.

Tippit was shot around 1:15pm. Oswald was seen entering the Texas Theater around 1:36pm.

36 - 15 = 21. Not 13.

Your source just failed elementary school subtraction.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You'll have to do better than than that ,

The third shot had already hit Kennedy before hill got close to the limo . , how did hill know it "entered" Kennedy in the lower back of the head? He was a SS agent not a doctor .

An interview from 2023 well best not go there . .

Oh and umm your forgetting something , the big hole in the back of Kennedy's skull where all his brains yused to be .

Know look at the autopsy pics ,what do you see ? Fake.

Was Governor Connally a Doctor?

And here we are again with the evidence-free accusation ‘fake.’ Those x-rays have been verified as genuine. Because they were.