JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

Where have I heard this before? You claiming that something has already been dismissed to avoid answering something. Don’t worry Fishy I won’t pursue this because I have learned by now that this is your fall back position when short of an answer.

Bugliosi hasn’t been dismissed. He took the notion of conspiracy and tore it to shreds.

Tippit was killed by Oswald. The suggestion that he was killed by someone else is laughable. Witness after witness.

Dont worry herlock i know you wont watch the tippit video i posted . As far as bela lagosi goes, like i said its been done to death over this thread ,no need to go over old busted theories.

[FISHY1118]

Do you get all of your ‘evidence’ from Quora Fishy? It appears to be the case. Try this…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/0393045250

Proper research by an experienced unbiased researcher.

Judge - Members of the jury, how do you find the accused, Lee Harvey Oswald, on the charges of killing President Kennedy and Officer Tippit?

Jury - Obviously, blatantly, evidently, manifestly, unmistakably, demonstrably, undeniably guilty your honour.

Judge - Hardly surprising given the overwhelming evidence and the feebleness of the case for the defence.

I get my information anywhere and any source that show the W.C lied in its findings , and my word there a lot of it .

[FISHY1118]

The autopsy didn’t formally take place till 8 PM EST, which was 6 1/2 hours after the assassination. Up to this time there in no known back wound. None, nada, zip. So what were the known facts up to the start of the autopsy?

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.

Facts Gentlman.

We can all see the problem here . I think the judge was a little off that day .


Jury - Obviously, blatantly, evidently, manifestly, unmistakably, demonstrably, undeniably guilty your honour.

Judge - Hardly surprising given the overwhelming evidence and the feebleness of the case for the defence.

[Fiver]

The APB [all points bulletin] for the suspect of JFK's assassination was described as an early or mid-twenties caucasian male between 5′9–5′11 in height with a slight build and wearing a grey Eisenhower-type jacket.

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."

All witnesses claimed that one of the shooters wore a grey Eisenhower jacket. Lo and behold, someone found a grey Eisenhower jacket on the ground in a "church parking lot".

All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

[scottnapa]

Thanks for the answer Scott. Do you think it interesting that at that stage there still appeared to be doubt about where the autopsy was going to occur? Wouldn't you think that setting up an autopsy that was to have a prearranged outcome would have taken considerable time and effort? I can’t imagine that those involved would have just fallen into line on an issue like this.

Lock, Yes this is interesting. Why would this conversation exist? If this is a tug a war, who won?? Reed had the better talent for the autopsy.
And it was Reed that was contacted first. From the transcript:

"Roger, Roger. That’s General Heaton, the Surgeon General of the Army. Over
(Duplex is Dr Burkley)
- That is correct.

- Roger, Roger, standby.

- Air Force One, Crown. Standby please. This is the general now, over.

Air Force One, this is Crown. You were cut off. General Heaton is at Walter Reed Hospital. You will have to stand by for a moment or let me call you back when I get him on the line. It will take about a minute to reach him."

(Duplex is Gerry Behn Secret Service at Crown)- Duplex….arrival Andrews, Six Zero Five, standby,….ambulance from Walter Reed…transport body Over.
(CROWN)- Arrangements have been made for a helicopter for Bethesda Naval Medical Center. Over.
- Standby, Jerry, we’re going to have to get Berkley here.
Moments later:
- Ah….this is General Clifton. (Watchman)
-Yes General Clifton?
- We do not want a helicopter for Bethesda Medical Center. We do want the ambulance and a ground return from Andrews to Walter Reed. And we want the regular post mortem that has to be done by law, under guard, performed at Walter Reed. Is that clear? Over.
- That is clear General Clifton. You want an ambulance and a ah….another limousine at Andrews and you want the regular post mortem by law done at Walter Reed.
- That is correct. Hold on for a minute. Over.
then
(female operator) Go ahead, Duplex is on one, sir.
- Air Force One, Andrews. Give your party a call.
- Okay, Duplex, Duplex, this is Watchman. Over.
- Go ahead Watchman. Over.
- Duplex, this is Watchman. I understand that…ambulance… to Bethesda….is this correct? Over.
- Watchman. It has been arranged to helicopter, helicopter the body to Bethesda. Over.
- This is Watchman. That is okay if it isn’t dark. What about the First Lady? Over.
- Everybody else aboard, everybody else aboard, it has been arranged to helicopter into the South Grounds.
- Watchman….helicopter operation will work because we have a very heavy casket? Over.
- Ah, according to Witness, yes.
- This is Watchman. …. don’t take a chance on that. Have a mortuary type ambulance standing by in case the helicopter doesn’t work.

The Clifton tape has the Gen Curtis LeMay mention but the shorter LBJ tape does not.
"General LeMay is in a C-140
- The last three numbers are 497 - SAM.
- 497 last three numbers.
- Right. He is in bound. His code name is Grandson, and I want to talk to him."

There is no indication of a conversation on the tape talking about Bethesda versus Andrews. The Clifton tape has five spliced edits.
It may be that he was in the Navy, so the final choice could be a Navy consideration. A very clear example of something we don't know. Opposing view points will come to the conclusion that suits them.

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."



All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Point being , " conflict, contradiction, inconsistencies every where you turn , your source of witnesses are no more believed than mind .

[Fiver]

By the way, this "church" was called "The Abundant Life Temple". It was a refuge [safe house] for Cuban [anti-Castro] refugees, military-trained operatives, and CIA-controlled terrorists, with many chapters throughout the southern United States, particularly in New Orleans.;

Your source provides zero evidence for any of these claims. If true, it's the last place on earth a Marxist like Oswald would seek refuge.

[FISHY1118]

Clemons was the witness that Mark Lane bullied into saying what he wanted her to…on tape. Then when Bugliosi (who had been kicking Lane’s a**e in debates) threatened to play the tape in public Lane threatened to sue him.

If Mark Lane is connected forget it. Remember Lee Bowers? Saw nothing until Lane got to him. Not the only one either.

Thats rich , a witness being coerced into a false testimony!!!!!

Sounds familiar.

But then I'm sure you have evidence of mark lane bullying her into submission. ??

[Fiver]

Perhaps facts might have an effect one day Fiver?

I'm posting so undecided people can see the facts. People who have already made up their minds are unlikely to change.

[FISHY1118]

Your source provides zero evidence for any of these claims.

Funny about that, neither do yours , ....

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for linking your source, but it is wrong.

The actual APB made no mention of a jacket."The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty. S slender build; height five feet, ten inches. Weight 165 pounds."



All of the witnesses claimed one shooter. And while they clearly saw the same man, they did not all recall the jacket as gray.

As ti the jacket, The description for the Tippit murder does mention clothes, but even there your source is wrong. "He's a white male, about 30, five-eighjt, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt, and dark slacks."

Mr. BELIN. I am between 5' 10" and 5' 11". Closer to 5' 11", I believe.
Mr. BENAVIDES. I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.

Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mr. BALL. Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had a jacket on when he done it.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

You didn't reference the Dr's.............?

Liars ???

[FISHY1118]

How could they have seen a back wound in a man lying down?

But we know that Kennedy was shot in the back. It’s just a fact. Unless we take your position of The Magical Vanishing Bullet Theory. At least the so called Magic Bullet was found.

1. The Parkland doctors had held a press interview, announcing President Kennedy had been shot from the front in the head and neck, with a ''Large exit hole in the right rear upper portion of the head.''

Are the Drs , They being the ''Medical Experts'' you seem to hold in such high regard , [a]Wrong , b[]Mistaken , [c]Idiots, [d]Never Existed ?

[FISHY1118]

Clint Hill's March 9, 1964 Warren Commission testimony.

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Clint Hill said:

• The president's head was in Mrs. Kennedy's lap, his eyes fix, and a gaping hole in the back of his skull.

• His eyes are fixed and I can see inside the back of his head.
• His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head.

• It looked like someone had flipped open the back of his head, stuck in an ice-cream scoop and removed a portion of the brain...
• President Kennedy lay unmoving, a bloody, gaping, fist-sized hole clearly visible in the back of his head.

• The right rear portion of his head was missing. The right rear portion of his head was missing.The right rear portion of his head was missing.

I'd like to dedicate this post to all the researchers who believe that the ~20 Parkland professionals were wrong in their early statements that the large blowout wound was on the BACK of Kennedy's head.

You All remember Clint Hill dont you guys ? ,just in case ill refresh your memories ,his the guy who jumped on the Presidential limo to help Jackie back into her seat ,

Tell me his lying , mistaken , a stark raving conspiracy theory lunitic , or maybe he too like so many others simply never existed . ???????



We again see that you are wrong.

[scottnapa]

An interesting document awaiting discussion.
Stringfellow writes this on the 23rd. The next day. Hmm.

[FISHY1118]

An interesting document awaiting discussion.
Stringfellow writes this on the 23rd. The next day. Hmm.

Whats the connection please Scott?