JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

If a Carpenter murdered someone from the Forestry Commission would we assume that his motive was something to do with the wood working industry?

There are a few points missing from your analogy. First of all the victim is actually the Head of the Forestry Commission. And secondly, the arrested suspect had a track record of criticising the Forestry Commission and had previously defected to a rival organisation. Add to that the threats that had been made publicly to the Head of the Forestry Commission and yes, I would assume there was a political motive to the crime. Especially if the Deputy Head of the Forestry Commission, who was in charge of the area where the murder occurred, has now replaced his boss. If the new Head of the Forestry Commission organised an inquiry into the murder, selecting the committee members, then I would judge its conclusions accordingly.

According to the WC there were three murder attempts engaged in by Oswald. The final one, the murder of Tippit, is clearly non-political if carried out by Oswald. But the other two persons in his sights (again this is the WC narrative) were, despite being high profile political persons, not shot for any political reason either. I don't want to lecture disgruntled malcontents as to who they should shoot, but most persons so disposed rarely select a political target.

I'm not aware of any 'fan club' available to those who reject the WC findings. I am aware however of a political duopoly within the USA which supports the foreign adventures of American imperialism and glories in its conquests (whilst drawing a veil over its military defeats in Vietnam, Afghanistan and latterly Ukraine.) Its ability to control narratives is obvious and naturally it attracts the the most selfish in society (whose motive is greed) and the weakest (who fear its wrath and wrap themselves in national flags.) I believe that the present day form of US imperialism would be less pernicious today had JFK managed to serve a second term.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Killing Kennedy’s achieved nothing accept killing Kennedy’s. No ‘group’ would have bothered. This was the work of an individual. The plan is the plan that an individual would use because it shows poor planning. Far too many ‘off chances’ are required. He relied on the ‘off chance’ of no one seeing him with a rifle. He relied on the ‘off chance’ that no one came onto the 6th floor. That he left his ring and $170 (all of his money) proves that he expected not to return. There’s no escape plan - maybe he expected to have been captured or shot at the scene. Everything screams one man expecting to be caught. No group of conspirators would have taken on a job like this and even if they had there’s just no way that they would have done it like they are alleged to have done.

Personally, I consider this absolute proof that there was no conspiracy. Oswald killed Kennedy and he did it alone. All shots from the TSBD.

[cobalt]

Killing Kennedy’s achieved nothing accept killing Kennedy’s. No ‘group’ would have bothered.

There were about half a dozen groups considering killing Kennedy. That doesn't mean they would have seen it through. But one group did and achieved a great deal. This group showed that the so called 'leader of the free world' could be executed in public if he defied the will of powerful economic interests. (In America they are called 'oil magnates' or 'tech entrepreneurs' whilst in Russia they are called 'oligarchs.') So democracy was now declared negotiable outside the ballot box. The corporate state has flourished ever since and controls much of the political process through monetary influence in the forms of donations. Donald Trump, who is clearly part of the corporate state but belongs to its nationalist wing, has recently survived two assassination attempts. Curiously, there seems remarkably little media interest in the political background of his attackers who have been discounted, true to form, as lone gunmen.

The second achievement, outside of foreign policy, was the curtailment of truth to power. Acceptance of the WC may have been justified in the minds of those who felt it allowed America to move on from the events of Dallas but in the longer term it has undermined public trust in the fourth estate. Modern media, owned by multi millionaires, barely pretends to speak truth to power these days. It shouts a lot to disguise its impotence.

That he left his ring and $170 (all of his money) proves that he expected not to return.

It 'proves' no such thing. And it can't have been all of Oswald's money since he had money on him when arrested. Various explanations have been offered as to why Oswald left money and his ring. Unless you had a clear explanation of Oswald's own account- which you do not have- then you are in no position to prove anything either way.

It is as facile a point to make as some CT saying that JD Tippit made an emotional farewell to his son on that day which proves he was 'badgeman' or connected to the conspiracy. Neither of these actions have been explained by the actors themselves so no proof is available, only supposition.

[Herlock Sholmes]

He changed his visit day for the first time ever.
He won’t engage in any Kennedy talk initiated by Marina.
He leaves his wedding ring.
He leaves a large sum of money (at least ‘nearly’ everything he had) and he wasn’t exactly any easy guy to part from his cash.
He carries a large parcel to work.
He didn’t wait for Fraser as he normally did but dashed inside.

So we need 6 individual excuses for these behaviours in Oswald.

Or, we can say “if it quacks like a duck and swims like a duck….”

This is a man who is up to something and doesn’t expect to see his wife again for a considerable time.

Plotters can’t have ‘arranged’ for Oswald to have behaved like this. But he did….on the very day that Kennedy was murdered.

Add the rifle and it’s game over.

[Herlock Sholmes]

There were about half a dozen groups considering killing Kennedy..

Do you have the minutes of the meeting where this intention was voiced Cobalt? Or is it just an assumption based on a rumour?

[Herlock Sholmes]

The second achievement, outside of foreign policy, was the curtailment of truth to power..

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There has certainly been a curtailment of truth. It has been caused by years of politically and financially motivated conspiracy theorists who have kept this going. Liars like Garrison. Lane, Stone etc. All charlatans.

[Herlock Sholmes]

60 years of conspiracy theorists tormenting the Kennedy family with goulish fantasies and totally illogical conspiracies.

Justice will only be served when every single conspiracy theorist accepts that they are wrong. Most are wrong honestly…many aren’t. This is an industry that we are talking about. The biggest bandwagon in town.

Long past time to end it. Oswald’s gone…he escaped justice. All the records have him down as a double murderer though and that won’t change. It’s the best that we can hope for in the interests of proper justice.

[cobalt]

Do you have the minutes of the meeting where this intention was voiced Cobalt?

As far as I am aware groups plotting assassination do not minute such information in their meetings. Even the Wansee Conference in 1941, which advocated genocide, was a little circumspect when discussing such matters. The July 1944 plotters against Hitler left nothing written so far as I recall.

There has certainly been a curtailment of truth. It has been caused by years of politically and financially motivated conspiracy theorists who have kept this going. Liars like Garrison. Lane, Stone etc. All charlatans.

The finances of these named persons are but a spit in the ocean compared to those who have reaped riches since the assassination of JFK. That applies to other sceptics such as Bertrand Russell and Mary Ferrell. As regards their political motivation I would understand that as refusing to be cowed or bribed into acquiescing to a coup d'etat in a democracy. I think that is a political position worth defending.

[Fiver]

As far as I am aware groups plotting assassination do not minute such information in their meetings. Even the Wansee Conference in 1941, which advocated genocide, was a little circumspect when discussing such matters. The July 1944 plotters against Hitler left nothing written so far as I recall.

As I have said, a competent Conspiracy wouldn't have left records of their crime. And if they did make that blunder, they've had over 60 years to erase inconvenient records. Yet every time a new bunch of records are released, Conspiracists assume there will be something that proves the Conspiracy.

[FrankO]

Hi Frank-

The Laser Scan and Digital Twin technology used by Knott Engineering. Online Photos that show the School Book Depository and large X painted in spots in the public domain and the Garrison Appeal for access to Xrays and photos dated January 31, 1969.

The Appeal from 1969 challenges the alignment in terms of geometry and anatomy. I believe there will be a reference to Hood College for this document.

If you can't find this stuff let me know.

Just a note. The issue of alignment is an old issue. The sketches Humes used in his testimony to describe these wounds was done by a sketch artist and not based on xrays or photos. According to Humes they were not granted access.

By not tracing the bullet trajectory the Single Bullet Theory was born. The mis step by Humes created it because it did not prove actual trajectory.

There are photos of guns pointing out the 6th Floor window down to the Street. These photos were apparently created for the Public to show alignment and ease of target access. However they actually reveal and support the acute angle reality of the location on the 6th floor. Knott illustrates that.

Connally would have to be sitting 10 inches to Kennedys left for the Single Bullet to hit under Connallys right armpit.

Arlen Specter needed a Single Bullet to make Oswald the killer.
His theory is disproven.

Cheers

Hi Patrick,

I found all the stuff - thanks for the info, especially the Knott page. I am only going to react to the photos and video created by them, as going into everything would mean a good deal of reading up and that would take too much time. I don’t want to get sucked back into that.

What struck me when I first saw the pictures created for the video was that Connally seems to be leaning forward somewhat (which I don’t think is correct - I think that, by that point, he had started to lower his right shoulder) and that there’s something unnatural with his shoulders and upper back in that he might be described as ‘broad shouldered’ and having somewhat of a humpback. It actually made me think of Peter Sellers as inspector Clouseau trying on his ‘humpback disguise’ – but I digress.

Furthermore, when I look at Zapruder frames 222 to 230, I see Connally appearing from behind the freeway sign in frames 222 & 223 with his shoulders at about the same level, meaning that an almost horizontal line can be drawn from shoulder to shoulder (right shoulder very slightly lower than the left one). To me that means that at that point he was turned further to his right than the Knott picture representing frame 225 shows. At frame 224 a line from shoulder to shoulder is slightly less horizontal: Connally’s right shoulder has move down somewhat, while his left shoulder remains more or less at the same level. In frame 225 the line is clearly less horizontal still: his right shoulder further down and his left shoulder has moved up and this continues in frame 226. From 226 to 231 he stays in that position.

I agree that the way Knott depicts frame 225 would disprove the SBT, but the president was undoubtedly hit before frame 225 and a few frames earlier would not be an unreasonable suggestion. Therefore, if they were hit by the same bullet, also Connally would have been hit a frame (or two) earlier, when he was turned more to his right.

This, of course, is only based on the Zapruder film and the video and pictures created by Knott, but that’s what I see.

Cheers,
Frank

[Fiver]

You can perhaps understand the doubt. Especially when Humes decided not to trace the path of the bullet from Kennedys back through his neck. As a result there was a need to explain Connallys wounds and hence the Single Bullet was born. Reasonable doubt was a result.

Many mistakes were made in the Bethesda autopsy. None of them were why the Single Bullet Theory was created.

The Single Bullet Theory was created due to the timing shown on the Zapruder film and the speed at which a Carcano can be fired. That meant that there were either two gunmen or that one bullet had inflicted JFK's throat wound and the wounds in Connally. Only 5% of the witnesses thought they heard 4 or more shots and no evidence was found of a second shooter. Dealey Plaza is also prone to echoes.

Ballistics testing done after the Warren Commission has shown the Carcano had the penetration to inflict all of those wounds. Testing has also shown that Carcano bullets passing through ballistics gelatin that simulates muscle, start to tumble. Forensic examination of JFK's clothing and skin showed the upper back wound was an entry wound.

The tracheotomy performed on JFK's throat used the bullet wound there. This obscured whether the wound was an entrance or an exit wound, and the precise location. Some Parkland doctor's thought it was an entrance wound, but they did not know about the wound to JFK's upper back when they examined him. X-rays showed no bullet in JFK's neck or torso, so the evidence shows that JFK was shot in the upper back with the bullet exiting his throat.

Forensic examination of Connally's back wound and clothing showed that the bullet was tumbling when it struck him, leaving what they call a keyhole pattern. Striking sideways while tumbling is consistent with the deformation of the Stretcher Bullet and neutron analysis has shown the lead fragments taken from Connally's wrist match the lead of the Stretcher bullet.

Examination of the Zapruder film shows that any depiction of Connally sitting directly in front of JFK and facing directly forward is, at best, an error. Using the actual positions shown, a bullet did not need to curve to strike both JFK and Connally and inflict those wounds.

Not believing the Single Bullet Theory raises several questions that I have not seen a Conspiracist answer.

* Why was the bullet that struck Connally already tumbling when it hit him?
* How could the bullet that struck Connally have missed JFK?
* How could the bullet that passed through JFK's throat not have struck anyone or anything else inside the limo?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Excellent points from Fiver. What CT’s have done from the beginning and continue to do is to assume that Arlen Specter was looking for a ‘get out’ and so he ‘created’ the SBT out of thin air but this suggestion doesn’t fit the reality of the situation. They were faced with a situation where they had a gun with just three cartridges and the majority of witnesses saying that they heard three shots so the WC needed to find out if it was possible that the two men were hit by the one shot or were the majority of witnesses mistaken (not impossible considering the echo chamber nature of Dealey Plaza.) So they had to investigate.

So CT’s incorrectly (knowingly in some cases) assume that this piece of investigation by Specter and his team was to achieve a specific desired aim and they refuse to consider that this was simply a case of them testing a second option. They of course knew that it was physically possibly for Kennedy and Connolly to have been hit by separate shots so they needed to know if it was possible that they could have been hit by the same shot.

It’s a convenient assumption. There was nothing dodgy about Specter’s investigation.

[Fiver]

The folks who used technology to do laser scans and continue to advance the technologies do not support the Single Bullet theory based on the shooting angles.

This was done for PBS NOVA Cold Case JFK in 2013. The technology supports the Single Bullet Theory.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Single Bullet Fact Fiver.

[Patrick Differ]

Fiver and Herlock- Technology Advances it's 2025. I referenced 2023.