JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

Like the Zapruder film which proves categorically, in colour, that there was no large rear of the head wound.

Great,now your saying all that skull , tissue and brain matter exploding out of jfks head all came out , but left his front face and head , and the back of his head in perfect condition as per the two fake autopsy photos ????? yer right .

I guess youll be giving your Zupruder film argument the ass now . ?

[FISHY1118]

As ever your posting becomes slightly confusing when you get angry Fishy so I’m having difficulty understanding this one I’m afraid.

The doctors in my post all saw Kennedy at Parkland and they all said that the wound was on the side of his head. So we are in a situation where we have a majority saying back of the head and a minority saying side of the head.

So…if you believe that the majority should take precedence ‘as a rule’ then obviously you would have to be consistent and fair with that rule. What I mean is that you wouldn’t only apply it when it suits you would you Fishy? Of course you wouldn't. So with that in mind you would also side with the majority of witnesses who said that they only heard three shots. And you would also side with the majority of witnesses who believed that the shots came from the direction of Dealey Plaza? And while we’re on the subject of ‘going with the majority’ you would have to accept of course the large majority of witnesses who positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the killer of JD Tippit.

Just being fair of course Fishy

OF course your confused ,because you dont know what point your arguing ,stick to the point and topic. Oh dear boy herlock ,dont ever think i get angry as i dont , im having a ball here .

[FISHY1118]

16 Witnesses


The FBI interviewed 16 witnesses who worked in the Texas School Book Depository who stated that they had not seen any strangers in the building on November 22, 1963 nor had they ever seen Lee Harvey Oswald AT ANY TIME prior to the assassination.

These witness statements can all be found in Volume 22 of the Warren Commission Hearings ( CE 1381 ).

The witnesses were:

Virginia Barnum pg. 636
Jane Berry pg. 637
Edna Caso pg. 639
Avery Davis pg. 642
Elsie Dorman pg. 644
Sandra Elerson pg. 646
Betty Foster pg. 647
Dorothy Garner pg. 648
Georgia Hendrix pg. 649
Yola Hopson pg. 653
Judy Johnson pg. 656
Ruth Nelson pg. 665
Madie Reese pg. 669
Joyce Stansbery pg. 674
Sandra Styles, pg. 676
Mary Lee Williams pg. 682

By their own admission, having never seen Oswald in the building meant that they didn't know all of the employees of the TSBD.

So this raises some questions:

How could they know there were no strangers in the building if they didn't know all of the employees ?
Oswald worked in the building from October 16th- November 22nd ( 27 days not counting Veteran's day ).
That's 216 hours in that building.


And they never saw him. Not even in the lunchroom.

How much weight do we give these witness statements that they didn't see any strangers in the building on the morning of the assassination when they didn't see Oswald for 27 days ?

My guess is not much.

WHOS RUNNING THIS WARREN COMMISSION REPORT . LARRY , MOE , CURLY ?????

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for the link Fishy. I was impressed by the knowledge and common sense displayed by the Willis family (who were actually there taking photos) at around the 33 minute mark, and Crenshaw's comments in the last minute.

I suppose you have seen this video, but just in case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_QIuu6hsAc&t=3596s&ab_channel=e2films

Brugioni strikes me as a man of integrity and character.

Thanks George , Many thanks .

[FISHY1118]

Seymour Weitzman saw a different scope too'


.More '' Actual Evidence'[ AS REQUESTED ] the warren commission lied about the rifle use to assassinate JFK.


Not only saw he a Mauser and not a Carcano, he saw a Weaver scope on that Mauser and not a ordnance optics japanese scope on a Carcano. japanese scope on a Carcano.

[FISHY1118]

CE 399: Specter's "bastard"


''MORE ACTUAL EVIDENCE'' [ AS REQUESTED ]




An absence of provenence


The Warren Commission credited Darrell Tomlinson, a maintenence man at Parkland Hospital, with the discovery of the "stretcher bullet", it said was Commission Exhibit 399.


CE 399 allegedly fell off a stretcher that had been removed from an elevator on the first floor. The bullet fell off when Tomlinson moved the stretcher against a wall and it bumped the wall.


But the Commission was never able to prove that CE 399 was the bullet that fell off the stretcher.


The Commission concluded that Tomlinson then gave the bullet to O.P. Wright, the Head of Security Personnel who gave it to Secret Service Agent Richard Johnson, who carried it back to Washington in his pocket. Johnson then turned it over the Secret Service Chief James Rowley, who then gave it to FBI agent Elmer Todd.


Tomlinson was deposed by the "Godfather of the Single Bullet Theory", Arlen Specter on March 20, 1964 at his place of employment, Parkland Hospital.

Tomlinson's testimony spanned six pages ( 6 H 128-134 ) and Specter asked him a total of 84 questions.

Specter never asked him to describe the bullet he found.

Specter never showed him CE 399 in order to prove that it was the bullet he found.

In fact, Specter never asked him one question about the bullet he found.


Plenty of questions about the stretcher but not one question about the bullet.


Witnesses O.P. Wright and Secret Service Agent Richard Johnson were never called to give testimony.


Secret Service Chief James Rowley WAS called. He appeared before the Commission on June 18, 1964. His testimony spanned 37 pages and he was asked a total of 283 questions.

He was asked about his 1965 and 1966 budgets.
He was asked about the pay levels of agents.
He was never asked to describe the bullet agent Johnson gave him.

He was never shown CE 399 and asked to identify it as the bullet he was handed and gave to agent Todd.

In fact, he was never asked one question about the bullet he handled.


Commission Exhibit 2011 is the FBI report on identification of CE 399 as the "stretcher bullet" the four men handled.

It reveals that Tomlinson, Wright and Secret Service employees Johnson and Rowley were all shown CE 399 and not one of them could identify CE 399 as the bullet they handled.

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/WH_Vol24_412.jpg

This was the reason why Commission counsel was careful not to ask Tomlinson and Rowley about the stretcher bullet and why the FBI left Wright and Johnson off the witness list: to hide the fact that CE 399's chain of possession began with the FBI.

It's an established fact that witnesses were interviewed by Commission counsel prior to their testimony. In doing so, Counsel was given the insight into what questions to ask and what questions to not ask.

Without the positive identification of the people who handled it prior to its being received by the FBI, the Commission failed to establish the bullet's provenence and thus left open the possibility that CE 399 was substituted for the real "stretcher bullet" sometime between its discovery and CE 399's official arrival at the FBI lab.

Thus making it without an origin and a "bastard" bullet.

Arlen Specter's "bastard".


Whos running this Warren Commission clown show , LARRY ,MOE , CURLY ???

[Herlock Sholmes]

16 Witnesses


The FBI interviewed 16 witnesses who worked in the Texas School Book Depository who stated that they had not seen any strangers in the building on November 22, 1963 nor had they ever seen Lee Harvey Oswald AT ANY TIME prior to the assassination.

These witness statements can all be found in Volume 22 of the Warren Commission Hearings ( CE 1381 ).

The witnesses were:

Virginia Barnum pg. 636
Jane Berry pg. 637
Edna Caso pg. 639
Avery Davis pg. 642
Elsie Dorman pg. 644
Sandra Elerson pg. 646
Betty Foster pg. 647
Dorothy Garner pg. 648
Georgia Hendrix pg. 649
Yola Hopson pg. 653
Judy Johnson pg. 656
Ruth Nelson pg. 665
Madie Reese pg. 669
Joyce Stansbery pg. 674
Sandra Styles, pg. 676
Mary Lee Williams pg. 682

By their own admission, having never seen Oswald in the building meant that they didn't know all of the employees of the TSBD.

So this raises some questions:

How could they know there were no strangers in the building if they didn't know all of the employees ?
Oswald worked in the building from October 16th- November 22nd ( 27 days not counting Veteran's day ).
That's 216 hours in that building.


And they never saw him. Not even in the lunchroom.

How much weight do we give these witness statements that they didn't see any strangers in the building on the morning of the assassination when they didn't see Oswald for 27 days ?

My guess is not much.

WHOS RUNNING THIS WARREN COMMISSION REPORT . LARRY , MOE , CURLY ?????

Nice ‘logic.’

So Oswald entered the TSBD and vanished?

[Herlock Sholmes]

OF course your confused ,because you dont know what point your arguing ,stick to the point and topic. Oh dear boy herlock ,dont ever think i get angry as i dont , im having a ball here .

But you don’t answer the point.

To be expected.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Great,now your saying all that skull , tissue and brain matter exploding out of jfks head all came out , but left his front face and head , and the back of his head in perfect condition as per the two fake autopsy photos ????? yer right .

I guess youll be giving your Zupruder film argument the ass now . ?

At all points you can see the rear of Kennedy’s head.

No cavernous wound.

No damage.

Absolute proof that the witnesses were wrong (apart from those that correctly placed the wound on the side of Kennedy’s head of course)

[Fiver]

The best known quote is JFK vowing to break the CIA 'into a thousand pieces.'

It's very popular quite, but no one is giving an actual source showing that JFK ever said it.

[Fiver]

There is no reliable evidence they ever met. Kostikov could not speak English and Oswald's Russian was basic..

So you're saying that Kostikov and the other Russians lied in order to implicate themselves in a Conspiracy to murder JFK?

[cobalt]

It's very popular quite, but no one is giving an actual source showing that JFK ever said it.

It would be interesting therefore to know when it first appeared in the public domain.

So you're saying that Kostikov and the other Russians lied in order to implicate themselves in a Conspiracy to murder JFK?

I haven't found a link to Kostikov confirming that he met Oswald. And less surprisingly, I have never seen a shred of evidence that he oversaw an assassination unit as part of his KGB duties.

Whatever, we are still left with the puzzle of why someone would seek to impersonate Oswald over the telephone. Of all the people who visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies in the few months preceding the JFK assassination, why pick out him?

[Herlock Sholmes]

As ever your posting becomes slightly confusing when you get angry Fishy so I’m having difficulty understanding this one I’m afraid.

The doctors in my post all saw Kennedy at Parkland and they all said that the wound was on the side of his head. So we are in a situation where we have a majority saying back of the head and a minority saying side of the head.

So…if you believe that the majority should take precedence ‘as a rule’ then obviously you would have to be consistent and fair with that rule. What I mean is that you wouldn’t only apply it when it suits you would you Fishy? Of course you wouldn't. So with that in mind you would also side with the majority of witnesses who said that they only heard three shots. And you would also side with the majority of witnesses who believed that the shots came from the direction of Dealey Plaza? And while we’re on the subject of ‘going with the majority’ you would have to accept of course the large majority of witnesses who positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the killer of JD Tippit.

Just being fair of course Fishy

Should read - direction of TSBD of course.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The large rear head wound appears to be missing.

[Herlock Sholmes]

And look, still no large rear head wound, and there’s Clint Hill.

Conclusion - he was obviously, provably, categorically mistaken.