JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Oswald's fingerprints were not identified as being on ... the revolver from the theatre

Correct. Oswald's prints were not found on the revolver that a couple dozen people saw Oswald hold in his hand and try to shoot the police with.

"Jurors are generally under the impression that every item that is touched by fingers or palms will be left with an identifiable latent print impression. If an offender is arrested for possession of a firearms, jurors therefore expect his/her prints to be on it. In fact, most of the time, fingerprint specialists find no identifiable latent prints on firearms. Accordingly, attorneys often call on the fingerprint specialist to explain to the jury the many reasons for the absence of identifiable latent prints. The following reasons make latent print recovery from firearms difficult and when they are recovered, the time of deposition can seldom be determined." - Mar/Apr 1997 issue of the Journal of Forensic Identification.

[Fiver]

When McCloy asked (WC Vol IV Page 262) Day if he had matched the fingerprints to Oswald, Day replied that he hadn't, but that in his opinion they would have matched.

That is not an accurate summary.

Mr. BELIN. Did you do anything with the other prints or partial prints that you said you thought you saw?
Mr. DAY. I photographed them only. I did not try to lift them.
Mr. BELIN. Do you have those photographs, sir? I will mark the two photographs which you have just produced Commission Exhibits 720 and 721. I will ask you to state what these are.
Mr. DAY. These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent--of the traces of prints on the side of the magazine housing of the gun No. C-2766.
Mr. BELIN. Were those prints in such condition as to be identifiable, if you know?
Mr. DAY. No, sir; I could not make positive identification of these prints.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have enough opportunity to work and get these pictures or not?
Mr. DAY. I worked with them, yes. I could not exclude all possibility as to identification. I thought I knew which they were, but I could not positively identify them.
Mr. BELIN. What was your opinion so far as it went as to whose they were?
Mr. DAY. They appeared to be the right middle and right ring finger of Harvey Lee Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Fiver]

The FBI found no useable fingerprints, but Day said he found one smudged print and a palm print (which he did not photograph as was required). .

Mr. DAY. On the bottom side of the barrel which was covered by the wood, I found traces of a palmprint. I dusted these and tried lifting them, the prints, with scotch tape in the usual manner. A faint palmprint came off. I could still see traces of the print under the barrel and was going to try to use photography to bring off or bring out a better print. About this time I received instructions from the chief's office to go no further with the processing, it was to be released to the FBI for them to complete. I did not process the underside of the barrel under the scopic sight, did not get to this area of the gun.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know what Commission Exhibit No. 637 is?
Mr. DAY. This is the trace of palmprint I lifted off of the barrel of the gun after I had removed the wood.
Mr. BELIN. Does it have your name on it or your handwriting?
Mr. DAY. It has the name "J. C. Day," and also "11/22/63" written on it in my writing off the underside gun barrel near the end of foregrip, C-2766.

[Fiver]

How did he re-assemble the rifle without getting fingerprints all over it?

" The most important fact dealing with the lack of fingerprints is that it neither suggests, implies, or establishes that any person did or did not touch the item of evidence." - Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Scientific Services Bureau

"Latent fingerprint examiners generally know that even when cutting edge technology such as cyanoacrylate fuming and laser/forensic light source examination are utilized, successful development of latent prints on firearms is difficult to achieve. In reality, very few identifiable latent prints are found on firearms, a fact that has been discussed in both the literature and the judicial system." - Mar/Apr 1997 issue of the Journal of Forensic Identification

[Herlock Sholmes]

That is one of the more nonsensical claims of the Conspiracists.

Either
* The Conspiracy planted the wrong rifle, let the wrong rifle be photographed by the police, let the wrong rifle be marked by the police, let a local TV station film the wrong rifle being carried across the 6th floor, let the wrong rifle be photographed by two journalists as it was carried out of the building, and then magically changed it for the right rifle without anyone noticing.

Or
* Some of the people who saw the rifle misidentified it.

Yet somehow the second option is the one the Conspiracists find ridiculous.

Well summed up Fiver

[Patrick Differ]

Ruby and Trafficante
Reference Michael Benson - Who's Who in JFK Assassination
And HSCA Volume 9

Ruby is tied to Trafficante in Cuba and Tresconia Prison in 1959. Witnessed by British Journalist John Wilson Hudson.
Michael Benson

The HSCA was unable to tie Trafficante and Ruby but stated " there was considerable evidence a meeting took place".

The HSCA also goes on to state they speculated that Ruby was a Mob courier.

The HSCA volume IX, pages 191 -196 was an analysis of Rubys phone calls during the weeks before the assassination. Including :
6 calls to Trafficante associate Lewis McWillie
Calls to Mob Bondsman Irwin S Weiner. Weiner connected to Jimmy Hoffa and Sam Giancana.
call on October 30 to Heroin Smuggler Nofio Peco, associate of Carlos Marcello.
Call on Nov 7 to Barney Baker for 14 minutes. Baker is associate of Jimmy Hoffa.
Call on Nov 8 to Dusty Miller an associate of Hoffa and Giancana.
In the summer of 1963 Ruby contacted assassin and Giancanna Lieutenant Lenny Patrick.

The HSCA also tied Ruby to James Henry Dolan an ex con and enforcer for Trafficante and Giancana.

HSCA - volume IX

Ruby tied to the Mob. Why did Blakey think Oswald was a Mob Hit ? I guess phone calls to the Mob and 100 Toll Free calls from September 1963 up to the Assassination ?

[Fiver]

It seems that as well as a magic bullet, there is a magic dis-appearing/re-appearing rifle that can also transform from a Mauser 7.65 to a Mannlicher 6.5..

That is one of the more nonsensical claims of the Conspiracists.

Either
* The Conspiracy planted the wrong rifle, let the wrong rifle be photographed by the police, let the wrong rifle be marked by the police, let a local TV station film the wrong rifle being carried across the 6th floor, let the wrong rifle be photographed by two journalists as it was carried out of the building, and then magically changed it for the right rifle without anyone noticing.

Or
* Some of the people who saw the rifle misidentified it.

Yet somehow the second option is the one the Conspiracists find ridiculous.

[Fiver]

Why did no one see him re-assemble the rifle, a task requiring time and at least a screwdriver.

Why did no one see Not-Oswald assembling the sniper's nest, or planting the rifle, cartridge cases, and bag?

The simple answer, regardless of whether you believe in a Conspiracy, is that people who want to get away with murder try to avoid being witnessed.

As to rifle assembly.

Mr. BALL. Let's take it out of the sack and put it before the Commission. Do you need any special tools to assemble this rifle?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. I notice you have a screwdriver there. Can you assemble it without the use of a screwdriver?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What can you use?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Any object that would fit the slots on the five screws that retain the stock to the action.
Mr. BALL. Could you do it with a 10-cent piece?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Will you do that--about how long will it take you?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I know I can do it, but I have never been timed as far as using a dime. I have been timed using a screwdriver, which required a little over 2 minutes.
Mr. BALL. 2 minutes with a screwdriver.
Try it with the dime and let's see how long it takes.
Okay. Start now. Six minutes.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I think I can improve on that.
Mr. BALL. And the only tool you used was a 10-cent piece?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. That is correct.

[Fiver]

Where was this package hidden and why did no one see it carried to the sixth floor.

Unless Frazier and Randle were lying, Oswald took a large package that wasn't his lunch to the TSBD.

What happened to Oswald's package of curtain rods? Why didn't Oswald take it with him when he left the TSBD? Why wasn't it found in the TSBD?

[Fiver]

This post epitomises the standard of evidence proffered by the WC Apologists. Dougherty testifies that when he saw Oswald enter the building he was NOT carrying any sort of large package. But then we have some hearsay that Shelley "thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package". How did this "fairly good-sized package" escape Dougherty's notice? Where is the testimony of "the fellows that said they did"? Somehow a negative is proposed to be a positive.

Buell Frazier and his sister Linnie Mae Randle testified that Oswald brought a package to work that day. That is not hearsay. Dougherty's statement shows that others, such as Shelly, claimed to have seen Oswald with a large package. This should have been followed up by the Warren Commission.

[Fiver]

Burt Griffin and Leon Hubert were tasked to investigate Ruby for the WC. They stated that both Oswald and Ruby had ties to Cuban activities and Rubyvto the point of both gun sales and smuggling. Leads that neither WC nor HSCA followed up.

But others have and are.

"In fact, we believe that the possibility exists based on evidence already available that Ruby engaged in illegal dealings with Cuban clients who might have had contact with Oswald. The existence of such dealings can only be surmised since the present investigation has not focused on that area." - Burt Griffin

Mr Blakey: Let me ask you, then, a general point. As you know, the conclusion of the Warren Commission was that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of the President. Are you satisfied with that conclusion?
Judge Griffin: Yes. I am. There is no doubt about that.
Mr Blakey: The central conclusion from many people's point of view was that there was no evidence found of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. Are you satisfied with that conclusion?
Judge Griffin: I am satisfied that that statement is true.
Mr Blakey: Are you satisfied with the investigation that led to that conclusion?
Judge Griffin: I am not.

"We had no connections between Ruby and organized crime, or Ruby and Oswald, or Ruby and anybody else" - Burt Griffin (About 51:25)

“I made every effort to find evidence of Ruby’s involvement in a conspiracy. I found none." - Burt Griffin

[cobalt]

Brennan's eyesight was probably not quite as exceptional as claimed in the 1987 account. Brennan actually wore glasses, as was clarified at the WC hearing, but only for reading 'fine print and the Bible.' He believed he had good vision and was far sighted. Unfortunately this could not be verified after January 1964 when his eyes were damaged by sand blasting in an industrial accident. Brennan stated he was effectively blinded for around 6 days as a result. Back on 22nd November as Brennan soaked up the carnival atmosphere around Delay Plaza from around 12.20 he was drawn to the figure on the 6th floor whose features showed no emotion. Echoing a comment made by Jack Ruby, Brennan recalled the man giving a 'smirk' after he had completed the shooting. At a moment of such drama that is an impressive piece of observation.

To be fair to Brennan, this 1987 version was written after Brennan's death by his pastor so he had no final control over what was published. That explains the strange mix of plodding, pedestrian detail (presumably compiled from notes taken in conversation with Brennan) and high flown prose aimed at spicing up the account.

There can be little dispute that following the shots Brennan approached uniformed police to report what he had seen. We assume that the general description of the shooter issued at 12.45 came from this source although others question this as a fact. Brennan himself was a little muddled about who received his first account, naming agent Forrest Sorrels as someone he spoke to in the immediate aftermath. But although Brennan and Sorrels had quite a few conversations that day, Sorrels was in the lead car heading to Parkland Hospital when Brennan first blurted out his story.

Brennan made a signed statement soon after the assassination but we don't know exactly when. It must have been before 3pm since he mentioned returning to his work before then but whether it was before or after Oswald arrived under arrest at the police station is unclear to me.

I don't find Brennan's reticence to identify Oswald in the line up very convincing. Fear of a Communist hit squad seems far fetched, especially in Dallas of all places, yet Brennan was reluctant to commit himself as late as January 1964. He was still holding to the theory of the assassination being a Communist plot when he appeared before the WC. So Brennan was probably the first person to voice a fear which later inspired many a researcher: the curse of the JFK witnesses. I would have thought Brennan's Christian duty to tell the truth might have kicked in sooner than it did, but fortunately he came to no harm.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Brennan was sitting below, on the opposite side of the road.

Brennan's first statement:
I was facing in a northerly direction looking across not only at Elm Street but I could see the largered brick building across the street from where I was sitting. I take this building across the street to be about 7 stories anyway in the east end of the building and the second row of windows from the top I saw a man in this window.




Which is the "red brick building"?

No one saw "Oswald". Brennan didn't pick him out of a line-up. Others saw people on the sixth floor, some of them saw more than one, but none could identify Oswald as a person they saw.

The red bricked building is the TSBD.

Brennan has explained his reticence to pick him out which is plausible. But he immediately went to a police officer and told him what he’d seen. Immediately George…from the same window. Others saw him too. I realise this doesn’t fit the script but considering some of the crackpot witnesses I can understand the effort to discredit Brennan. That he saw someone in that window is a fact.

[GBinOz]

Your picture is irrelevant. That is a photo of some of the evidence that the FBI received, not all of the evidence found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. We have photos of the rifle taken before it was moved. We have press motion pictures of the rifle being carried across the 6th floor and still photos taken as it was brought outside. We have photos of the three expelled shell cases taken on site. We have photos of the sniper's nest, showing the ways the boxes were laid out. We don't have photos of the paper bag before it was moved, which was a significant error by the Dallas police.

Really?

So this inventory of evidence sent to Curry and signed by Hoover is incomplete?





And this report signed by Day and Studebaker showing only two expended shell cases is inaccurate?




Here is the link to Alyea's video taken at the time of the search in the TSBD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsnIeaAWFfo&ab_channel=DavidVonPein%27sJFKChannel

At around 1min 55 secs there appears to be a rifle found, without a sling, before the rifle with a sling is found at at around 2 min 05 secs.

[GBinOz]

Do you always assume that anytime someone makes a mistake that they are deliberately lying?

That's pretty rich coming from someone who is continually posting "Your source is lying". This is not the first time that you have "corrected" one of my posts with a deceptive and incorrect reply. I still recall your analogy regarding not taking a second bite from an apple that has been found to be rotten on the first bite.