JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

The Lunch Room was on the 2nd floor where Oswald claimed to be and was sighted, possibly by Mrs Arnold at around 12.15.

There were two lunch rooms. The one on the second floor was generally used by the clerical staff. The one on the first floor, also known as the domino room, was generally used by the warehouse staff.

Oswald did not claim to eat his lunch on the second floor.

"... he said that he was having his lunch about that time on the first floor. " - Captain Fritz

"OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room"' - FBI Agent Hosty

"OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room." - FBI Agent Bookhaut

She said he was at his own as was normal for him.

Mrs Arnold didn't say that until 1978. No one else who was in the second floor lunch room saw Arnold there. None of the five versions of Oswald's alaibi match up with Arnold's 1978 claims.

"Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM."

Oswald later said, although the time was no recorded, that he saw two employees enter through the Domino Room which is one floor below the Lunch Room.

That is not what Oswald said.

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." - FBI Agent Bookhaut

So according to his own testimony he must have have moved from the 2nd to the 1st floor. Yet astonishingly and for reasons no WC advocate can ever explain, Oswald managed to tag two other employees who walked through the Domino Room. (At 12.23 by the way) How he managed this is inexplicable unless he was actually there, which I assume he was.

What's astonishing is that anyone believes Oswald's alibi.

Oswald tags Jarman as eating lunch in the domino room, which Jarman did not do.
Oswald doesn't tag Acre, Dougherty, or West eating lunch in the domino room, even though they did.
Norman did eat lunch in the domino room, but left sometime between 12:00 and 12:10.
Jarman, Norman, Acre, Dougherty, and West did not see Oswald at lunch.

Even if one believes this version of Oswald's story, his alibi ends when Hank Norman left the domino room, sometime between 12:00 and 12:10.

So Oswald is time barred from being the assassin of either JFK or Tippit He. was actually a double patsy.

Oswald is not time barred from committing either murder.

And a Conspiracy had no reason to kill JD Tippet or to frame Oswald for the killing.

[GBinOz]

Connally's clothing and the size of the wound to his back shows that the bullet was tumbling when it struck him in the back. Connally's clothing also showed no signs of bullet wipe. Those both show hat the bullet that struck Connally in the back had passed through another object first.

Analysis of the Zapruder film shows the front of Connnaly's jacket bulging out at frame 224.

So the evidence shows that Connally and JFK were struck at the same time and that Connally was struck by a bullet that had already passed through another object, with that object most likely being JFK.

Quoting Duncan MacPherson: “The bullets used in this assassination are much more resistant to deformation than most rifle bullets. The major effect in bullet 399 is ‘toothpasting’, i.e., a small amount of the lead core has been squeezed out of the jacket base like toothpaste from a tube. This probably occurred when the bullet hit Connally’s ribs at a high yaw angle …”

A “high yaw angle?” That would mean the bullet struck sideways. But the evidence, both internal and external, proves the bullet did not strike sideways. Why have supporters of the Single Bullet Theory been promoting this false information for decades?

Rationale: It struck sideways because it was tumbling; it was tumbling because it first went through John Kennedy’s neck—and, presto, proof of the SBT. The lie started with John Lattimer’s false claim that the wound in Connally’s back was 3cm long, the result of a sideways hit.

REALITY CHECK

External Damage: Original size of Connally’s back wound, before debridement, was only 1.5 cm—the same size allegedly as the entrance wound in Kennedy’s head. It was 3 cm after cleaning and enlarging—as Connally’s surgeon, Robert Shaw, M.D., testified. In his operative report, Shaw simply described the wound’s size after surgery, but in his testimony he said the original size was only 1.5 cm. And the holes in the back of Connally’s shirt and jacket were also 1.5 cm, per the FBI.

Internal Damage: According to Shaw, the bullet created a “small tunneling wound” . And he noted “the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it.”

So, obviously, MacPherson was promoting the SBT with false information…. As for this particular lie, its author is John Lattimer. Wounds and bullets are a bit like locks and keys, and Lattimer was an amateur locksmith. Since a tumbling bullet did not fit into Connally’s back wound, Lattimer changed the lock.

There is a rebuttal of Latimer's theories by Cyril Wecht here:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Lattimer%20John%20Dr/Item%2003.pdf

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The right rear portion of his head was missing.

It was lying in the rear seat of the car.

His brain was exposed.


(CLINT HILL'S TESTIMONY TO THE WARREN COMMISSION)


Everyone can see that the autopsy drawing above was faked.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Nobody identified Oswald by his jacket.

"He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks." - RW Walker (Call sign 85)

But we do know that.
Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Johnny C. Brewer identified Oswald at the theater.
Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
William Arthur Smith identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.

Tippit was killed with bullets from Oswald's pistol.
The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
Oswald was carrying his pistol when arrested.
Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers with his pistol.

Not only did Oswald not wear a jacket like that alleged by the Warren Commission to have been worn by the murderer, but he did not have hair like that worn by the murderer.

And not only that, but the detailed testimonies of Earlene Roberts and Domingo Benavides taken together give Oswald no more than seven minutes to get from the bus stop near his lodgings to the scene of the Tippit shooting.

The only way he could have done it was by taxi, but the murderer evidently had not just got out of a taxi when he encountered Tippit.

Your case against Oswald has just collapsed.

[cobalt]

The Lunch Room was on the 2nd floor where Oswald claimed to be and was sighted, possibly by Mrs Arnold at around 12.15. She said he was at his own as was normal for him. The motorcade was planned to pass the TSBD at this time. Oswald, the laziest assassin known to world history, was eating his lunch on the 2nd floor. Cool guy.

Oswald later said, although the time was no recorded, that he saw two employees enter through the Domino Room which is one floor below the Lunch Room. So according to his own testimony he must have have moved from the 2nd to the 1st floor. Yet astonishingly and for reasons no WC advocate can ever explain, Oswald managed to tag two other employees who walked through the Domino Room. (At 12.23 by the way) How he managed this is inexplicable unless he was actually there, which I assume he was.

So Oswald is time barred from being the assassin of either JFK or Tippit He. was actually a double patsy.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I'm not implying anything. Autopsy photos and x-rays show JFK was hit at about the neckline, not six inches below.


"But the first shot had entered just below the neckline in the back and exited through the throat." - Clint Hill 55:31

"One of the strange things that developed was that while the President had been lying on the gurney at the Parkland Hospital, when the doctors examined him, they never turned the body over to see anything in the back. And so they didn't realize that the wound that appeared in the front of the throat was actually an exit wound from an entrance to the rear about the neckline and they didn't realize that this gaping hole in the skull had been caused by an entry of a bullet lower in the back of the head and the skull." - Clint Hill 1:10:34

Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

(WARREN COMMISSION VOLUME 2 PAGE 141)

Representative Boggs. Did you see any other wound other than the head wound?

Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I saw an opening in the back, about 6 inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column.

(WARREN COMMISSION VOLUME 2 PAGE 143)


That is the actual evidence, which you continue to ignore.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Autopsy photos and x-rays show JFK was hit at about the neckline, not six inches below.

'Feel free' to point out the bullet hole along the neckline in the aiutopsy 'photo' above.

[Fiver]

You are implying that Hill, Sibert, O'Neill, Frazier, Burkley and Humes were all wrong.

I'm not implying anything. Autopsy photos and x-rays show JFK was hit at about the neckline, not six inches below.


"But the first shot had entered just below the neckline in the back and exited through the throat." - Clint Hill 55:31

"One of the strange things that developed was that while the President had been lying on the gurney at the Parkland Hospital, when the doctors examined him, they never turned the body over to see anything in the back. And so they didn't realize that the wound that appeared in the front of the throat was actually an exit wound from an entrance to the rear about the neckline and they didn't realize that this gaping hole in the skull had been caused by an entry of a bullet lower in the back of the head and the skull." - Clint Hill 1:10:34

[Fiver]

Two witnesses, Helen Markham and Barbara Jeanette Davis, testified that the jacket worn by the murderer was noticeably darker than the one allegedly discarded by Oswald, and that the murderer wore a lighter shirt than Oswald's.

Mrs Markham told Mark Lane that the killer was short and had slightly bushy hair.

Acquilla Clemons described the murderer as short with bushy hair.

Patrolman Roy W. Walker radioed a description of the killer which included his having wavy hair.

Domingo Benavides said the assassin had curly hair, which needed cutting, and a ruddy complexion.

William Smith testified that the murderer had dark hair.

Barbara Jeanette Davis and William Smith testified that the killer wore a sport jacket.

FOUR WITNESSES TESTIFIED THAT THE JACKET ALLEGEDLY WORN BY OSWALD WAS NOT WORN BY THE MURDERER AND A FIFTH WITNESS TESTIFIED THAT OSWALD NEVER WORE IT

(my # 2305)

Nobody identified Oswald by his jacket.

"He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks." - RW Walker (Call sign 85)

But we do know that.
Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Johnny C. Brewer identified Oswald at the theater.
Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
William Arthur Smith identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.

Tippit was killed with bullets from Oswald's pistol.
The discarded cartridges came from Oswald's pistol.
Oswald was carrying his pistol when arrested.
Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers with his pistol.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Why should I have to explain something that I never claimed?

Autopsy photos and x-rays show JFK was hit at about the neckline, not six inches below.

You are implying that Hill, Sibert, O'Neill, Frazier, Burkley and Humes were all wrong.

[Fiver]

You still have not explained how a bullet entering Kennedy's back at a downwards angle, six inches below the neckline, could have exited the front of his throat, let alone gone on to hit Connally.

Why should I have to explain something that I never claimed?

Autopsy photos and x-rays show JFK was hit at about the neckline, not six inches below.

[Fiver]

'Harman and Norman did not pass through the domino room shortly before the assassination. Norman's testimony is that he and Jarman went outside around 12:00 to 12:10. Jarman's testimony is that he re-entered the building with Harold Norman between 12:20 and 12:25, then took the elevator up to the 5th floor.'

I think this is accepted by everyone. The issue at hand is whether they were seen, or indeed could have been seen by Oswald at this time, something Fritz's curt notes fail to answer. The LG advocates prefer to make this a 'ghost sighting' from earlier in the lunch break since the alternative provides Oswald with a good alibi.

We know (well, from Fritz's notes) that Oswald claimed to be in the Domino Room at the time of the assassination; however according to the FBI investigator Oswald said he had lunch in the Lunch Room which might explain why nobody saw him in the Domino Room. He told Piper, the janitor on the 1st floor, that he was going up for lunch. Carolyn Arnold thought she caught sight of him there around 12.15 but she was not called by the WC.

Here's the various versions of Oswald's alibi.

"I asked him what part of the building he was in at the time the president was shot, and he said that he was having his lunch about that time on the first floor. Mr. Truly had told me that one of the police officers had stopped this man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in." - Captain Fritz

"OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunch room; however he went to the second floor where the Coca–Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca–Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building. … he then went home by bus and changed his clothes.' - FBI Agent Hosty

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca–cola from the soft–drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home." - FBI Agent Bookhaut

"When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn’t say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated “You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.” Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that “he is one of our employees” whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don’t recall that anyone asked why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning." - Postal Inspector Holmes

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." - FBI Agent Bookhaut

None of these versions match Carol Arnold's 1978 story of seeing Oswald in the second floor lunchroom. None of the women who ate lunch in the second floor lunch room support Arnold's story. None of these women were short black men.

In the Holmes version, Oswald was on an upper floor and only came down to the second floor after the shooting. This version matches with Charles Given's testimony and gives Oswald no alibi.

In the other versions, Oswald claims to have eaten lunch in the first floor lunchroom.

In one version, Oswald claims to have eaten lunch after the shooting. This version gives him no alibi.

In the other three versions, Oswald was in the first floor lunch room, either alone or with two of the black employees. Their testimony contradicts Oswald - one didn't see him and the other didn't eat lunch in the domino room that day. Oswald also fails to mention Danny Arce, Tony West, and Jack Dougherty. All of them testified to eating lunch inside the domino room and to not seeing Oswald there.

So take your pick. In some version Oswald has no alibi. In other versions it's either Oswald is lying or Arce, Dougherty, West, Jarman, and Harmon were lying.

The only version that is supported by other witnesses puts Oswald alone on an unspecified floor somewhere above the second floor.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Bullets normally travel faster than the speed of sound, so hearing the shot after JFK was hit proves nothing.

Connally believing he was hit after JFK has more than one explanation. It could mean that they were hit by separate bullets. Or it could mean that Connally misperceived or misremembered the timing of the shots.

To tell which is correct, we need to look at the evidence.

Connally's clothing and the size of the wound to his back shows that the bullet was tumbling when it struck him in the back. Connally's clothing also showed no signs of bullet wipe. Those both show hat the bullet that struck Connally in the back had passed through another object first.

Analysis of the Zapruder film shows the front of Connnaly's jacket bulging out at frame 224.

So the evidence shows that Connally and JFK were struck at the same time and that Connally was struck by a bullet that had already passed through another object, with that object most likely being JFK.

You still have not explained how a bullet entering Kennedy's back at a downwards angle, six inches below the neckline, could have exited the front of his throat, let alone gone on to hit Connally.

[Fiver]

Connally heard the shot that hit the President AFTER the President had actually been hit, and at a time when he himself had not been hit, and that, as he pointed out, means that they were definitely hit by separate bullets.

Bullets normally travel faster than the speed of sound, so hearing the shot after JFK was hit proves nothing.

Connally believing he was hit after JFK has more than one explanation. It could mean that they were hit by separate bullets. Or it could mean that Connally misperceived or misremembered the timing of the shots.

To tell which is correct, we need to look at the evidence.

Connally's clothing and the size of the wound to his back shows that the bullet was tumbling when it struck him in the back. Connally's clothing also showed no signs of bullet wipe. Those both show hat the bullet that struck Connally in the back had passed through another object first.

Analysis of the Zapruder film shows the front of Connnaly's jacket bulging out at frame 224.

So the evidence shows that Connally and JFK were struck at the same time and that Connally was struck by a bullet that had already passed through another object, with that object most likely being JFK.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

This in an interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTPHcsG-N8&ab_channel=Curiousitive%21

It contains news video from the time concerning the Oswald wallet found at the scene of Tippit's murder - or was it?

Cheers, George

It makes a similar point to the one I have been making about Benavides' testimony contradicting the Warren Commission Report about the time of the shooting.

It completely contradicts the Warren Commission Report about the forensic evidence.

Taken together, the testimonies of Markham and Benavides suggest that the shooting took place at about 1.10 p.m.