JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Four shots were fired into Tippit. Bullets recovered were 3 Winchester and 1 Remington. The original radio call-in identified the casings as 38 Auto, later to become just 38, 2 Winchester and 2 Remington. Also found was a wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. So according to the WC, Oswald had shot Tippit with 4 shots from a revolver, opened the cylinder and picked out the expended casings and thrown them on the ground, and then took out his wallet and threw that on the ground as well. Very accommodating of him to be sure.

The WC did not claim that Oswald's wallet was found at the site of Tippet's murder. The police were filmed examining a wallet, which was believed to be JD Tippit's.

He then allegedly took himself off to the Texas Theatre where he was arrested, after all the audience had been removed from the theatre, and allegedly drew a fully loaded revolver.

No one was removed from the Texas Theater before Oswald's arrest.

Also found upon him was was a another wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. Doesn't everyone carry two wallets with forged driver's licences and ID for aliases? After all, you never know if you may need to throw down one of them after you have just shot someone.

Oswald's wallet did not contain credit cards or a drivers license.

[Fiver]

We do know that Oswald and Tippit had been in the same cafe two days prior when Oswald had mouthed off about his 'eggs over light' so maybe Tippit remembered him and just wanted to make a point. But the man was probably not Oswald.

My understanding is that the Dobb's Cafe incident supposedly happened at about 10:00 A.M. Wednesday, November 20th. That's hours after Oswald normally started work and a half-hour round trip away from Tippit's patrol route. Police records also show that Tippit was on a call at the Aluminum Screen Manufacturing Company at 800 East Illinois Ave between 9:56am and 10:17am on the 22nd.

3. Why was Tippit shot? He seemed to making run of the mill enquiries according to his actions and witness testimony, yet something changed in the mood of this and he exited the car with, we are told, his hand on his revolver. [I have no idea how reliable this claim is, but he did clearly leave the vehicle.] I can see a reason for Oswald shooting Tippit, fearing he was to be executed himself. But since I think Oswald was in the cinema at this point, I still struggle to see why any other Dallas man walking down the street would have had a reason to shoot Tippit either, although Tippit's actions after the assassination are open to a wide interpretation.

Butch Burroughs claims put Oswald in the Texas Theater before Oswald left Earlene Roberts' rooming house. Burrough's statement also makes no sense based on the timing - Buying a ticket at 1PM would be buying a ticket for a movie with less than 20 minutes left to run. Buying popcorn at 1:15 would be walking out of the climax of a movie to buy popcorn.

[Fiver]

According to Earlene Roberts' affidavit, Oswald was standing at a bus stop near her home at somewhere in the region of 1.05 p.m.

Earlene Roberts said that:
* Oswald arrived at approximately 1pm.
* Oswald left a few minutes later.
* About a half-hour after that three police officers arrived.

But the police didn't arrive at 1:30, they arrived at around 3pm.

So Mrs Roberts was obviously rather bad at estimating time.

According to Domingo Benavides' testimony, the shooting of Tippit could not have taken place later than about 1.12 p.m.

That's your interpretation of Benavides' testimony, with a five minute gap between the shooting and Benavides trying to use Tippet's police radio. That seems too long to me, but the big problem is humans aren't very good at time estimates. We get even worse at time estimations related to traumatic events, like seeing someone shot. The phenomenon is called Tachypsychia.

How could Oswald have got to the scene of Tippit's shooting in less than seven minutes and why would he have done so?

It makes more sense than Butch Burroughs claiming Oswald entered the Texas Theater before he left Roberts' rooming house. Perhaps Oswald hitched a ride on a passing blue police box?

As to what Oswald was doing, we can never know. The bus transfer he had in his pocket was good to 1:15. If he could make it to the right transfer point, Oswald could have taken a Greyhound bus to Waco, Austin, or San Antonio.

[Fiver]

Why do you think McCone was so uncooperative with the investigation?

Feel free to show that McCone was uncooperative with the investigation into JFK's death.

I don't think anyone believes that.

LBJ kept on all Cabinet members - including RFK. RFK didn't resign until 8 months later when LBJ announced that he wasn't considering any of his Cabinet members as a potential Vice President.

LBJ and Hoover could count on Warren, Ford and Dulles to steer the Commission towards a pre-determined verdict.

LBJ's closest supporter on the Commission was Senator Russell. Neither Russell nor LBJ ever accepted the Single Bullet Theory.

Hoover wasn't wedded to the Single Bullet Theory or the Lone Gunman Theory. Hoover initially thought JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets and that the Cubans might be involved.

US Supreme Court Justices are appointed for life. Warren could not be counted on by LBJ or Hoover to steer the Commission where they wanted it to go. Dulles was former CIA - he certainly wouldn't do any favors for the FBI. Ford does seem to have sharing information with the FBI, but he was a junior member of the Commission.

[Fiver]

I am sure we are all dying to see your evidence that LBJ disagreed with the SBT.

I have posted it before.

Here it is again.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/17/us/johnson-said-he-doubted-finding-on-assassination.html

[cobalt]

Firstly it established Oswald in the public mind as a killer by mid afternoon on the 22nd November. There was no evidence clearly linking him to the JFK assassination at that time.

I should have been clearer: there was no evidence available at that time. The fibre links, paper bag and fingerprints were developed later as evidence but were not available in the afternoon.

The simplest way was having Oswald found dead in the sniper's nest of a "self-inflicted" bullet from his own pistol.

Not so easy if Oswald was on the 1^st floor at the time of the assassination. And very tricky if his pistol was at the rooming house.

Another simple way is having a single assassin tail Oswald and shoot him "resisting arrest" the first time there were no witnesses.

Well that is a modified version of the Ruby execution, the one which fuelled the suspicion that lingers to this day. I don’t think this version would have been any more credible to the general public; less so actually, given there would have been no witnesses.

Another simple way is have one false witness tell the police that the killer was Lee Harvey Oswald and count on the police or armed civilians to gun Oswald down.

Johnny Brewer did his best.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Earlene Roberts said Oswald arrived "around 1pm". Helen Markham's time estimate is problematic - 1:06 to 1:07 for the time of Tiippit's shooting. It is still possible, assuming Roberts and/or Markham was slightly off in their time estimates.

I refer you to my # 2495, # 2506, and # 2511.

Taken together, Roberts' and Benavides' testimonies leave Oswald insufficient time to get to the scene of Tippit's shooting .

The same goes for Markham's.

[Fiver]

The Warren Commission have him losing five pounds in three months.

That seems more credible than his gaining 14 pounds in three months.

Obviously you have never tried to lose weight.

There has been some discussion online about his possible weight at the time of his arrest based on the photographic evidence.

The consensus seems to be that he looked to be in the 130s.

The consensus among Conspiracy Theorists?

Here's another Oswald ID, giving his weight as 145 lbs.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340655/

[Fiver]

'There was no reason for the Conspiracy to frame Oswald for killing Tippit'

There certainly was, in fact two reasons have been put forward. Firstly it established Oswald in the public mind as a killer by mid afternoon on the 22nd November. There was no evidence clearly linking him to the JFK assassination at that time. Second, DPD officers apprehending Oswald -the presumed cop killer- would be likely to shoot on sight and remove him as a problem.

Killing Tippit was unnecessary to establishing Oswald as JFK's killer. JFK was shot with Oswald's rifle. Oswald's prints were on the rifle. And the bag Oswald used to carry the rifle. And the boxes used to form the sniper's nest. Fibers on the rifle matched Oswald's clothing. Fibers on the paper bag matched the blanket that Oswald kept his rifle in. Oswald had no alibi for the murder of JFK.

If a Conspiracy wanted Oswald dead before he could give his side of the story, murdering Officer Tippit was stupid, slow, ineffective, and overcomplicated way of doing it. The simplest way was having Oswald found dead in the sniper's nest of a "self-inflicted" bullet from his own pistol. Another simple way is having a single assassin tail Oswald and shoot him "resisting arrest" the first time there were no witnesses. Another simple way is have one false witness tell the police that the killer was Lee Harvey Oswald and count on the police or armed civilians to gun Oswald down.

I would acknowledge one thing: that Oswald- if it was indeed him- had a far greater motive to shoot Tippit than he ever did JFK. He realised he had been set up as a 'patsy' and would be very nervous about anyone who approached him.

As Herlock noted, that's the only credible Conspiracy theory explanation for the murder of Tippet - Oswld panicked and murdered Tippet. Of course, this reason still applies if Oswald was guilty.

But the timings are all in favour of Oswald not being at the scene- the one thing Helen Markham is liable to have got correct is her daily routine to catch a bus to work. Earlene Roberts' testimony is usually accepted by all parties. Add in nobody seeing Oswald on his journey from the rooming house alongside the testimony of Burroughs and Davis from the cinema and Oswald seems to have been elsewhere.

Earlene Roberts said Oswald arrived "around 1pm". Helen Markham's time estimate is problematic - 1:06 to 1:07 for the time of Tiippit's shooting. It is still possible, assuming Roberts and/or Markham was slightly off in their time estimates.

But Burrough's 1987 testimony is even more problematic. Initially, he said that he did not see Oswald enter the Theater. Almost 25 years later, in a statement where he falsely claimed to have been manager, Burroughs said he saw Oswald come in at 1PM.

Burrough's testimony would require Oswald to travel nearly two miles in a minute or less. I'm reasonably certain Oswald couldn't run at over 100 mph.

And while nobody saw Oswald between the rooming house and the scene of Tippet's murder, plenty of people saw a man they identified as Oswald between the scene of the Tippit murder and the Texas Theater. Plus Oswald was carrying the gun used to murder Tippet and tried to murder one of the arresting officers with it.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The Warren Commission have him losing five pounds in three months.

That seems more credible than his gaining 14 pounds in three months.

There has been some discussion online about his possible weight at the time of his arrest based on the photographic evidence.

The consensus seems to be that he looked to be in the 130s.

[Fiver]

The New Orleans police records of his arrest in August of 1963 show a weight of 136 pounds.

(Warren Commission Report Chapter 4 page 144)


Even according to the Warren Commission Report, he weighed only 136 lbs just three months before his final arrest, but you have been looking at the wrong document.

Warren Commission Exhibit 630 is reproduced below.

It records his weight as 131 lbs.

Thank you for linking Oswald's Fingerprint Card, which does give his weight as 131 lbs.

I linked Oswald's Arrest Report, the document you incorrectly claimed listed Oswald's weight as 131 lbs.

I also linked Oswald's Selective Service Card, which gave his weight as 150 pounds.

Obviously, at least one of the official documents is wrong about his weight.

So lets apply common sense.

Do people grow an inch in height and lose five pounds of weight?

Do slender people lose five pounds of weight from serving in the military?

Do slender people lose five pounds of weight from working in a book warehouse?

[Fiver]

Can you give an example of a bullet passing through someone's cervical vertebrae and then hitting someone else?

Why should I give examples of something that I didn't claim happened?

The bullet that struck JFK in the upper back grazed the cervical vertebrae, resulting in Thorburn's Position.

A bullet that directly hit JFK's cervical vertebrae would have severed the spinal chord.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The New Orleans police records of his arrest in August of 1963 show a weight of 136 pounds.

(Warren Commission Report Chapter 4 page 144)


Even according to the Warren Commission Report, he weighed only 136 lbs just three months before his final arrest, but you have been looking at the wrong document.

Warren Commission Exhibit 630 is reproduced below.

It records his weight as 131 lbs.

[Fiver]

On page 79 of Jesse Curry's book, Assassination File, there is a copy of Oswald's arrest report.

His weight is recorded as 131 lbs.

Here's a copy of Oswald's Arrest Report.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338497/

It does not list Oswald's weight, let alone claim he only weighed 131 lbs.

Here's Oswald's Selective Service Card.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337625/

It gives Oswald's weight as 150 lbs.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

What's astonishing is that anyone believes Oswald's alibi.

What is astonishing is your silence in response to # 2506 (on proof that Oswald had insufficient time to get to the scene of Tippit's shooting), # 2507 (on proof that the autopsy 'photo' of the back of Kennedy's head was faked), # 2494 (Clint Hill's testimony), and # 2495 (Roberts' and Benavides' testimony).