JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

One concern I always had was the fact that many key eyewitness testimonies never ended up in the WC Report.
Especially those that completely contradict it. John Connally would be credible in the Parkland Hospital bed that he was hit by a second bullet as Kennedy was already hit and he was not. So the need to have one bullet for one shooter was immediately known the moment Connally told the truth. That is a cover up by any measure.

Those who claim to have seen Oswald in the 6th floor window in an 8 second event where the window frame itself blocks the shooter, as well as being behind the box perch, is somehow more credible than Connally. Having been to Dealy and walked it twice it dawns on you that shots from the grassy knoll, book depository and Daltek building are a perfect crossfire. Somehow Physics is different when it applies to Oswald but easily explained away by the government.

Zapruder shows an explosion at the right temple of JFK but somehow the debris field that hits the motorcycle cop directly behind and to the left of Kennedy is not Newtonian Physics but some other physics caused by bodily reaction. Elizabeth Moorman who was photographing on the side of this debris field had her film confiscated and she was NEVER interviewed.

The fence behind the grassy knoll where smoke was seen was a perfect chip shot and alignment on that head shot. It also matches physics, just not real physics. Unfortunately Humes failed in his duty to trace the bullet path in the throat. He was not given XRays he was given sketches. He burned his original notes?

The bullet holes in Kennedys shirt and Connallys jacket are entrance wounds that were used to help create the magic bullet hoax. One major problem besides Humes not tracing the JFK neck/back wound but the bullet fails Connally. Because unlike JFK, Connallys doctor traced the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest. It had tunneling which made Yaw from a tumbling bullet impossible. Not only that, the entrance wound itself was smaller than the length of the bullet. So the bullet went through the back near the right shoulder and exits the throat as a round hole, tumbles and turns and hits Connally on a downward angle and forms an oval smaller than the bullet ( still in almost perfect condition) shatters the 5th rib before exiting and then enters the wrist shattering the bone, exiting the wrist and hitting the thigh

But Connally says it didnt happen that way. So where is the bullet that first hits JFK? Where are the bullet fragments from Connally? We dont know because the Limo is confiscated by Johnson and sent to Detroit and scrubbed. What? Cant talk about that.

The same bullet that allegedly first hits JFK and Connally including hitting bone is barely deformed. Yet the same bullet that is also jacketed hits Kennedy in the back of the head and not the side as seen in Zapruder film. That bullet fragments into hundreds of pieces, causes pressure in the brain, blows out the side of the skull and causes a debris field to the right and to the back left and behind to the left. All the while Kennedys head is thrown violently to the back and left by a high velocity jacketed bullet. This bullet is also magical and defys the basic Laws of Physics. Mafioso figure Sammy the Bull ( an expert in head shots) agrees with basic physics.

LBJ became the new Administration and his pals Hoover and Dulles helped him control this outcome. The WC has too many flaws to be believable.

Yet all this evidence Patrick , which btw has been presented over this thread many many times, and still we are told were a bunch of ''Conspiracy Theorist nutjobs'



''LBJ became the new Administration and his pals Hoover and Dulles helped him control this outcome. The WC has too many flaws to be believable.''

THE END.

[cobalt]

You are cherrypicking time estimates and treating them as precise, synchronized records.

No more than the Warren Commission did. Neighbours Davis and Wright placed the first shots at 1.07pm. The confirmation of Tippit's death was recorded at a nearby hospital at 1.15, a minute before the shooting was (officially) received by the DPD. Benavides testified to his inability to use the police car radio from which the DPD received 2 blips at 1.08pm.

[QUOTE]So rather than 7 minutes, Oswald probably had twice that long to get to the site of the Tippet murder. [/QUOTE

The timeline is tighter than it should be. Oswald's journey by bus/taxi/retracing his steps to the rooming house/ makes the timing of Mrs. Roberts fit in quite accurately. He can't have left before 1.00pm and the shooting of Tippit cannot be later than 1.14pm, which is being mighty generous. Either way, Oswald was not out for a stroll.

I have never had a proper explanation of where Oswald was allegedly headed during this brief interlude but assume the cinema was merely an afterthought. So if he was wandering around, confused and frightened with no particular place to go, why was he walking so fast?

[scottnapa]

One concern I always had was the fact that many key eyewitness testimonies never ended up in the WC Report.
Especially those that completely contradict it. John Connally would be credible in the Parkland Hospital bed that he was hit by a second bullet as Kennedy was already hit and he was not. So the need to have one bullet for one shooter was immediately known the moment Connally told the truth. That is a cover up by any measure.

Those who claim to have seen Oswald in the 6th floor window in an 8 second event where the window frame itself blocks the shooter, as well as being behind the box perch, is somehow more credible than Connally. Having been to Dealy and walked it twice it dawns on you that shots from the grassy knoll, book depository and Daltek building are a perfect crossfire. Somehow Physics is different when it applies to Oswald but easily explained away by the government.

Zapruder shows an explosion at the right temple of JFK but somehow the debris field that hits the motorcycle cop directly behind and to the left of Kennedy is not Newtonian Physics but some other physics caused by bodily reaction. Elizabeth Moorman who was photographing on the side of this debris field had her film confiscated and she was NEVER interviewed.

The fence behind the grassy knoll where smoke was seen was a perfect chip shot and alignment on that head shot. It also matches physics, just not real physics. Unfortunately Humes failed in his duty to trace the bullet path in the throat. He was not given XRays he was given sketches. He burned his original notes?

The bullet holes in Kennedys shirt and Connallys jacket are entrance wounds that were used to help create the magic bullet hoax. One major problem besides Humes not tracing the JFK neck/back wound but the bullet fails Connally. Because unlike JFK, Connallys doctor traced the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest. It had tunneling which made Yaw from a tumbling bullet impossible. Not only that, the entrance wound itself was smaller than the length of the bullet. So the bullet went through the back near the right shoulder and exits the throat as a round hole, tumbles and turns and hits Connally on a downward angle and forms an oval smaller than the bullet ( still in almost perfect condition) shatters the 5th rib before exiting and then enters the wrist shattering the bone, exiting the wrist and hitting the thigh

But Connally says it didnt happen that way. So where is the bullet that first hits JFK? Where are the bullet fragments from Connally? We dont know because the Limo is confiscated by Johnson and sent to Detroit and scrubbed. What? Cant talk about that.

The same bullet that allegedly first hits JFK and Connally including hitting bone is barely deformed. Yet the same bullet that is also jacketed hits Kennedy in the back of the head and not the side as seen in Zapruder film. That bullet fragments into hundreds of pieces, causes pressure in the brain, blows out the side of the skull and causes a debris field to the right and to the back left and behind to the left. All the while Kennedys head is thrown violently to the back and left by a high velocity jacketed bullet. This bullet is also magical and defys the basic Laws of Physics. Mafioso figure Sammy the Bull ( an expert in head shots) agrees with basic physics.

LBJ became the new Administration and his pals Hoover and Dulles helped him control this outcome. The WC has too many flaws to be believable.

I have no clue why there is a WC conversation at all, as the HSCA investigationed the assassination and the WC is a flawed prosecution.

[Patrick Differ]

Thanks for the limited response, Lock.
Hanlon's razor variant: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
There is sufficient malice that is evident to me. if a person is on the other side of the grassy knoll fence, it will likely always be insufficient. I don't expect to change the opinion of others.
I will offer examples of Warren Commission malfeasance, when i have time to discuss Ruby.

One concern I always had was the fact that many key eyewitness testimonies never ended up in the WC Report.
Especially those that completely contradict it. John Connally would be credible in the Parkland Hospital bed that he was hit by a second bullet as Kennedy was already hit and he was not. So the need to have one bullet for one shooter was immediately known the moment Connally told the truth. That is a cover up by any measure.

Those who claim to have seen Oswald in the 6th floor window in an 8 second event where the window frame itself blocks the shooter, as well as being behind the box perch, is somehow more credible than Connally. Having been to Dealy and walked it twice it dawns on you that shots from the grassy knoll, book depository and Daltek building are a perfect crossfire. Somehow Physics is different when it applies to Oswald but easily explained away by the government.

Zapruder shows an explosion at the right temple of JFK but somehow the debris field that hits the motorcycle cop directly behind and to the left of Kennedy is not Newtonian Physics but some other physics caused by bodily reaction. Elizabeth Moorman who was photographing on the side of this debris field had her film confiscated and she was NEVER interviewed.

The fence behind the grassy knoll where smoke was seen was a perfect chip shot and alignment on that head shot. It also matches physics, just not real physics. Unfortunately Humes failed in his duty to trace the bullet path in the throat. He was not given XRays he was given sketches. He burned his original notes?

The bullet holes in Kennedys shirt and Connallys jacket are entrance wounds that were used to help create the magic bullet hoax. One major problem besides Humes not tracing the JFK neck/back wound but the bullet fails Connally. Because unlike JFK, Connallys doctor traced the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest. It had tunneling which made Yaw from a tumbling bullet impossible. Not only that, the entrance wound itself was smaller than the length of the bullet. So the bullet went through the back near the right shoulder and exits the throat as a round hole, tumbles and turns and hits Connally on a downward angle and forms an oval smaller than the bullet ( still in almost perfect condition) shatters the 5th rib before exiting and then enters the wrist shattering the bone, exiting the wrist and hitting the thigh

But Connally says it didnt happen that way. So where is the bullet that first hits JFK? Where are the bullet fragments from Connally? We dont know because the Limo is confiscated by Johnson and sent to Detroit and scrubbed. What? Cant talk about that.

The same bullet that allegedly first hits JFK and Connally including hitting bone is barely deformed. Yet the same bullet that is also jacketed hits Kennedy in the back of the head and not the side as seen in Zapruder film. That bullet fragments into hundreds of pieces, causes pressure in the brain, blows out the side of the skull and causes a debris field to the right and to the back left and behind to the left. All the while Kennedys head is thrown violently to the back and left by a high velocity jacketed bullet. This bullet is also magical and defys the basic Laws of Physics. Mafioso figure Sammy the Bull ( an expert in head shots) agrees with basic physics.

LBJ became the new Administration and his pals Hoover and Dulles helped him control this outcome. The WC has too many flaws to be believable.

[Fiver]

As for the real world, let's look at Oswald's athletic prowess. He left his rooming house at 1.03pm by best estimate and reliable witnesses time the Tippit shooting at 1.10pm. His alleged route is not known but is generally accepted as measuring 1.6km, which means LHO walked close to Olympic standard. In 1964 dear old Reg Matthews of GBR won the 20 km walk but it would have taken him 7.2 minutes to cover the distance that Oswald did in 7 minutes straight.

You are cherrypicking time estimates and treating them as precise, synchronized records.

Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say because
Mr. BALL.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.

JFK was first reported as being shot at 12:40pm, which leads to questions about how accurate Earlene Roberts time estimate was.

Mr. BELIN. When did you get home that day from your work?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it was around 1 o'clock or maybe a little bit after.
Mr. BELIN. At the time you had gotten home, had you heard that the President had been shot?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes. I heard that before I went home.

A. C. Johnson's time estimate supports the idea that Oswald had left the rooming house before 1PM.

The Tippet shooting was reported at 1:16pm.

So rather than 7 minutes, Oswald probably had twice that long to get to the site of the Tippet murder.

[Fiver]

I think that claim rests on the Brennan sighting whose subsequent ID was less than convincing. Brennan's hysteria about a Communist plot -in Dallas of all places- stands testimony to his credibility.

You'd think that a Conspiracy that could afford to bribe or intimidate dozens of people and forge ballistics, fingerprint, photographic, and X-ray evidence could have gotten one of those dozens of Conspirators to give a 100% certain identification of Oswald on the 6th Floor of the TSBD.

Back in the real world, the TSBD was seen at an extreme distance. Brennan's uncertainty is what we would expect of a real witness.

You're also ignoring that Brennan's wasn't the only person who saw the man on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Mr. BELIN - Now, which one did you say could have been the man?
Mr. FISCHER - Lee Harvey Oswald. That that could have been the man that I saw in the window of the School Book Depository Building, but that I was not sure. It's possible that a man fit the general description that I gave---but I can't say for sure.

Today, November 22nd, 1963, I was with Ronald Fischer, and we were on the corner at Elm and Houston, and I happened to look up there at the building, the Texas School Book Depository Building, and I saw a man at the window on the fifth floor, the window was wide open all the way; there was a stack of boxes around him, I could see. Bob remarked that he must be hiding from somebody. I noticed that he had on a sport shirt, it was light colored, it was yellow or white, something to that effect, and his hair was rather short; I thought he might be something around twenty-six, as near as I could tell. - Robert E. (Bob) Edwards

[scottnapa]

This is the CIA in house Memo on the Mystery Man written by Elsie Scaleti for Mexico City station.
The previously submitted memo written on the same day labeled ROMAN does not list height or weight
This Memo describes the Mystery Man as -- you guessed it--- 5' 10' 165 lbs and wavy hair.
"Probably Identical" is used, seems a bit stronger than "Maybe Identical"

[scottnapa]

f The first listing I found with the false 5' 10" information is this FBI memo written when Fain interviewed Marguerite Oswald. The Army base in San Antonio sent this STRIKEFORCE memo on Nov 26th, filled with lies crafting a communist identity for Oswald, whose name is Harvey Lee Oswald, a 5' 10" chairman of the non-existent Dallas FPCC.

[scottnapa]

I think that claim rests on the Brennan sighting whose subsequent ID was less than convincing. Brennan's hysteria about a Communist plot -in Dallas of all places- stands testimony to his credibility.
Not a single person inside the TSBD remembered seeing Oswald running from the building.

Importantly, there was a single person outside who said the suspect ran from the TSBD with a rifle.
This lie of a description of 5' 10" 165 POUND "Oswald" is the basis of the police log statement
that is supposedly the reason Tippet stopped Oswald
DPD Sergeant Gerald Hill describes the scene of the Tippet shooting..." we found a squad car parked against the right or the south curb on 10th Street, with a pool of blood on the left-hand side of it near the side of the car. (Officer) Tippit had already been removed. The first man that came up to me, Sgt Hill said, "The man that shot him was a white male about 5'10", weighing 160 to 170 pounds, had on a Jacket and a pair of dark trousers, and brown bushy hair."

[scottnapa]

That the FBI and CIA lie and do things that we might not approve of isn’t proof of a conspiracy Scott. There is no proof of Warren Commission malfeasance. We can look to Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Thanks for the limited response, Lock.
Hanlon's razor variant: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
There is sufficient malice that is evident to me. if a person is on the other side of the grassy knoll fence, it will likely always be insufficient. I don't expect to change the opinion of others.
I will offer examples of Warren Commission malfeasance, when i have time to discuss Ruby.

[FISHY1118]

Proving Oswald killed Officer Tippet is a slam dunk. He was seen and identified by multiple witnesses killing Tippet or fleeing the scene. Oswald had a handgun on him when arrested and he was seen and identified by multiple witnesses resisting arrest ad trying to us the handgun in the police. Forensics matched the gun to the used shells discarded by the gunman and to the bullets that killed Officer Tippet.

Oswald cannot be a patsy.

Like i said ''Concrete' not ' circumstancial, contradictory , of plain false and made up theory like the W.C LIE.

[FISHY1118]

2% of the witnesses heard 1 shot.
12% of the witnesses heard 2 shots.
80% of the witnesses heard 3 shots.
5% of the witnesses heard 4 or more shots.

A more detailed tabulation on number of shots shows that out of 178 witnesses:
* 6 thought there were 4 shots.
* 1 thought there were 4 or 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 6 shots.
* 1 thought there were 8 shots.

Your information is 16 years out of date . You want the figures from 22nd Nov 1963 .

[Patrick Differ]

Connally believed that there were three shots, that they all came from behind, and that Oswald was the shooter. That means you disagree with Connally more than I do.

The hole on Connally's jacket is oblong, not round, showing the bullet was tumbling before it struck him. Reconstruction that uses the actual positions of both men show that a single bullet could have struck both men. Kennedy's clothing shows "bullet wipe", which shows that the back wound was an entrance wound.

How would Connally know who shot him? Connally was adamant he was hit by a second shot. The shot in Connallys jacket matches an entrance wound from an elevation behind not a tumbling bullet. How was there yaw coming out of JFK if the Doctors at Parkland saw a round wound in the neck before they did a tracheotomy? And Humes never traced the bullet.

[cobalt]

I can't argue with that. 'Fairly briskly' is as accurate as we can agree upon but a tad short of 'fled.'

As for the real world, let's look at Oswald's athletic prowess. He left his rooming house at 1.03pm by best estimate and reliable witnesses time the Tippit shooting at 1.10pm. His alleged route is not known but is generally accepted as measuring 1.6km, which means LHO walked close to Olympic standard. In 1964 dear old Reg Matthews of GBR won the 20 km walk but it would have taken him 7.2 minutes to cover the distance that Oswald did in 7 minutes straight.

Of course it is easier to walk fast over such a shorter distance but Oswald was never described as athletic, was not in training and was wearing a zipped up jacket containing, so we are told, a revolver and some spare ammunition. Even if we accept the later timing of 1.12pm, had Oswald sustained that speed he would still have finished 25th in the 1964 20 km walk. Since no one ever saw him jogging or running we have to assume he was walking, as described by witnesses who saw the interaction with Tippit. Which rules out Oswald walking to the scene of the Tippit murder.

Thus doesn't necessarily rule out Oswald as the killer of Tippit, but it indicates he was driven to the scene (for reasons unknown) thereby suggesting a conspiracy. Either that or Oswald was in the cinema whilst the drama was unfolding, as seems most likely to me.

[Doctored Whatsit]

The myth that Oswald 'fled' the TSBD is not supported by a single witness. A policeman believed he encountered Oswald on the 2nd floor in the lunch room, not scurrying down the stairs. A news reporter believes Oswald directed him to a pay phone on the ground floor. Not a single person inside the TSBD remembered seeing Oswald running from the building. He probably left pretty sharpish after the assassination (and he may have had good reason to) but that is not the same as fleeing the scene.

This is all about our interpretation of the words "to flee". Obviously he didn't run, because that would have attracted attention and therefore suspicion. He left the building fairly briskly, without delaying, and his actions demonstrated clearly that he was trying to cover up his movements and that he had no intention of returning. What exactly he was trying to do is something of a mystery, but he wasn't returning to work.