Bible John (General Discussion)

[barnflatwyngarde]

It’s a semi-detached end house on Google Earth. I can’t see any reason why it couldn’t be the same house?

I think it's Hawick Street.
If you check on Google Street View there is a Kelso street just off it.
The council tended to use themes when naming streets, so to have two streets next to one another named after Border towns seems logical.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s a semi-detached end house on Google Earth. I can’t see any reason why it couldn’t be the same house?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Could it be Hawick Street?

There is a Hawick Street about 1.8 miles from Earl Street.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...5fwj?entry=ttu

I was thinking that it’s either Nawick or Hawick with Hawick sounding the likeliest and as you’ve found it that must be the one. The number looks like 189 to me?

[barnflatwyngarde]

I think you’ve misread that Barn. 11 Harland Cottages was where Joan Armour (O’Donnell) lived, she was a friend of Helen’s. Jean’s address is 3 lines above that.

Could it be Hawick Street?

There is a Hawick Street about 1.8 miles from Earl Street.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Harland+Cottages,+Glasgow+G14+0AS/@55.8772476,-4.3508742,16.93z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x48884f5eb5f468b7:0xe851e090ebca5a6a!8m2!3d55.8759894!4d-4.3486896!16s%2Fg%2F11c6lj5fwj?entry=ttu

[barnflatwyngarde]

I think you’ve misread that Barn. 11 Harland Cottages was where Joan Armour (O’Donnell) lived, she was a friend of Helen’s. Jean’s address is 3 lines above that.

Doh!
Sorry, I'll have another go at it.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yeah Herlock, it is Harland Cottages, not far from Earl Street.

Here's a link to Google Maps.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Harland+Cottages,+Glasgow+G14+0AS/@55.8772476,-4.3508742,16.93z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x48884f5eb5f468b7:0xe851e090ebca5 a6a!8m2!3d55.8759894!4d-4.3486896!16s%2Fg%2F11c6lj5fwj?entry=ttu

I think you’ve misread that Barn. 11 Harland Cottages was where Joan Armour (O’Donnell) lived, she was a friend of Helen’s. Jean’s address is 3 lines above that.

[barnflatwyngarde]

How easy the word ‘promiscuous’ comes out. As if they were sleeping with a man every time they went dancing.

Thanks for posting Barn. Can you, or anyone, make out Jean’s address on the middle page?

Yeah Herlock, it is Harland Cottages, not far from Earl Street.

Here's a link to Google Maps.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Harland+Cottages,+Glasgow+G14+0AS/@55.8772476,-4.3508742,16.93z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x48884f5eb5f468b7:0xe851e090ebca5a6a!8m2!3d55.8759894!4d-4.3486896!16s%2Fg%2F11c6lj5fwj?entry=ttu

[Herlock Sholmes]

Oh yes, absolutely!

Thanks Barn

[Herlock Sholmes]

How easy the word ‘promiscuous’ comes out. As if they were sleeping with a man every time they went dancing.

Thanks for posting Barn. Can you, or anyone, make out Jean’s address on the middle page?

[barnflatwyngarde]

I attach a couple of pages from official documents relating to the three victims Pat Docker, Jemima MacDonald and Helen Puttock.
These are clearly some of the documents referenced by Audrey Gillan in her podcast.

Some text is tricky to make out, and I think it is clearer on the initial web page (link attached)

What is striking is the casual misogyny on display.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-63916850

[barnflatwyngarde]

Thanks Barn,

So just to be clear (as my question might not have been) Jean could have heard the accent of someone from Stonehouse and taken it for a local Glasgow one.

Oh yes, absolutely!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock!

I live 11 miles away from Stonehouse, and no, there would be no noticeable twang to anyone from Stonehouse.

Stonehouse is within 10 miles of the towns of Hamilton, Carluke and Motherwell, so while it is in the countryside it is very close to large towns where I would expect many Stonehouse residents to work.

Thanks Barn,

So just to be clear (as my question might not have been) Jean could have heard the accent of someone from Stonehouse and taken it for a local Glasgow one.

[barnflatwyngarde]

A question for our Scottish contingent To a Scot how individual would someone from McInnes’s geographical background been? Would a fellow Scot, like Jean, have detected a local accent?

Hi Herlock!

I live 11 miles away from Stonehouse, and no, there would be no noticeable twang to anyone from Stonehouse.

Stonehouse is within 10 miles of the towns of Hamilton, Carluke and Motherwell, so while it is in the countryside it is very close to large towns where I would expect many Stonehouse residents to work.

[Ms Diddles]

A couple of observations which I don't think are going to help much but which may stimulate our brains. (I am beginning to scrape the barrel so to speak)

I think Cobalt you make an important observation when coupled with all the other posters comments related to BJ being 'a cut above the rest' or shall we say slightly higher social class, when BJ says the 'joke' about being 'agnostic'. It is very good and works for people with the knowledge of both the term and the situation relating to the two main football teams in Glasgow with one predominantly having a catholic support the other a Protestant support. Yes quite amusing. Was and is it a popular Glasgow joke saying?

Also I have been thinking about whether there is any link between the 3 victims. Well of course Barrowland. Also there is I suppose a certain similarity to how they looked. Its hard to say with black and white photos but they all appear to have dark hair, similar build maybe, smartly dressed and finally having had or experiencing marital/relationship problems.

I suppose I am thin ice here a bit but non of the victims appear to have been in stable relationships but there must have been many who went to the Barrowland who were but did not end up being murdered. Is there some connection here to the offender

NW

Hi NW!

Over the years I have heard many jokes and quips about Glasgow football, but the "agnostic" one is completely new to me.

I agree that it was very perceptive of Cobalt to point out its significance.

I hadn't given it much thought previously, but on consideration it's quite a revealing comment.

[Ms Diddles]

A question for our Scottish contingent To a Scot how individual would someone from McInnes’s geographical background been? Would a fellow Scot, like Jean, have detected a local accent?

I was wondering that too.

Barn is probably better placed to answer this than me, but my guess would be that a Stonehouse accent would be pretty indistinguishable from a Glasgow one.

It might sound a little softer than the harsh dialects spoken in the schemes, but I think it would likely sound generic Glasgow.

I certainly couldn't tell the difference between Glasweigan and other outlying towns (Paisley, East Kilbride, Airdrie etc).