JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

Your also entitled to your opinion Herlock , but there is more than enough evidence to show Rosco White was involved in the JFK and Tippit killings .

But id only be wasting peoples time if were to copy and paste vast amounts of information that some want to compare to their own findings simply to claim this is true and yours [ i.e mine] is a lie . Sorry but ive been down that road befor and it goes nowhere .

My apologies for referring to evidence.

[FISHY1118]

The Roscoe White story is unbelievable even by conspiracy theorists standards Fishy. His son Ricky called a Press Conference 27 years after the assassination in 1990 with his story saying that he’d read it in his dad’s diary which he found in a shed in 1982 (so why he’d waited 8 years to make this revelation is anyone’s guess?) Of course he couldn’t actually produce this diary because it was ‘stolen’ by the FBI in 1988. Beverley Oliver (professional fantasist) claimed to have seen White’s father in his police uniform in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination - it’s a pity that she didn’t photograph him with the camera that she supposedly had which wasn’t available for sale at the time. Sadly, police records show that White didn’t start his police training at the academy until December 4th so he couldn’t have been on duty in his uniform in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd. Yet another strike out for Oliver.

Ricky claimed to have seen his father and 4 other men practicing for the assassination by firing into a car on a ranch near Van Horn, Texas which was a pretty good feat of memory considering that he was only 3 years old at the time. He also claimed that his father was a covert CIA operative codename “Mandarin” who fired 2 shots from behind the picket fence with a Mauser whilst a man called “Lebanon” fired 2 shots from the TSBD and a man called “Saul” fired 2 shots from the Dallas County Records Building and they did this because Kennedy was somehow a threat to world wide peace! He claimed that his father was probably murdered even though he was killed after receiving 99% burns resulting in an explosion at the premises where he worked as a welder.

White had actually first contacted the authorities in 1988 (when he claimed that his father’s diary had been stolen by the FBI) but he didn’t mention anything that he went on to mention in 1990. In 1988 he said nothing about his father being a CIA officer but what he did say was that his father, J.D. Tippit and Lee Harvey Oswald conspired to kill Kennedy because they were ex-Marines who were angry over The Bay Of Pigs (yawn) He claimed that his father and his father’s unnamed mistress (who supposedly worked at the TSBD) arranged for Oswald to get the job there. White showed the FBI some items including a receipt from the HSCA for a copy of the backyard photo but it was known that many police officers ‘acquired’ JFK assassination memorabilia so there was nothing particularly pertinent about that. The FBI closed its file on the matter in 1988 because they saw nothing of value in anything that White said and that he was simply trying to cash in on the conspiracy bandwagon.

White’s drivel was further exposed by 2 researchers. Firstly he claimed that his mother had received electro shock treatment from a Dr. Daniel Pearson to erase her memory of the conspiracy. David Perry contacted Dr Pearson who said that he had indeed given her electro shock treatment but for her depression and that it couldn’t erase someone’s memory. Roscoe White had actually received a hardship discharge from the Army due to his wife’s depression so her illness was clearly being treated using the accepted methods of the time. Then Perry and Gary Mack contacted a guy that Ricky White had claimed was a hit man in the conspiracy but he turned out to be an entirely innocent blueberry farmer. When Mack told White that he had good news for him, that his dad wasn’t an assassin, he expected him to be happy about it but he was just speechless and clearly disappointed. He had tried to sell his ludicrous story as a book and a movie and even got the backing of a group of 7 young oil millionaires but nothing ever came of it. One of the millionaires said later: “Ricky sounded sincere, and if what he said was true, he had the key to the biggest mystery in American History. We were young and naive, and being in Midland, had nothing much better to do. We figured we could spend about as much on this project as it would cost to drill a dry hole.”

A CT called Joe West tried to revive this nonsense by calling a press conference claiming that, before her death, Roscoe White’s wife, Geneva, found a copy of the diary which Oliver Stone paid $5000 for! Pretty much everyone who saw it believed that Geneva had created it herself. Hilariously one of the ‘handlers’ mentioned in the ‘diary’ was called ‘Watergate’ even though the Watergate scandal occurred 9 months after White died. And despite the entries supposedly being from between 1957 and 1971 they appeared to be written using the same felt pen. The best that can be said about White is that he went to Japan on the same ship as Oswald along with 7000 others (enough for a conspiracy theorist to get excited about of course) and White and Oswald were both stationed at Subic Bay in 1957 so they could conceivably have run into each other. But that’s all.

All of White’s ‘evidence’ was turned over to the Texas Attorney General’s office for investigation. They said that the ‘evidence’ had: “not given any credibility to anything these people have been trying to say.” The story is complete hogwash. Unsurprising Jim Garrison swallowed it (as you would expect of a fantasist like him)

How can anyone take this kind of stuff seriously? I can help smiling when I hear people saying that they don’t believe the Warren Commission and they don’t believe the pathologists and they don’t believe all of the other experts used in the case and yet they’ll hear an obvious fantasist like White (and Beverly Oliver for that matter) and immediately and uncritically give him the seal of approval!

Your also entitled to your opinion Herlock , but there is more than enough evidence to show Rosco White was involved in the JFK and Tippit killings .

But id only be wasting peoples time if were to copy and paste vast amounts of information that some want to compare to their own findings simply to claim this is true and yours [ i.e mine] is a lie . Sorry but ive been down that road befor and it goes nowhere .

[Herlock Sholmes]

But why?

Why would Oswald have made a superhuman effort to get to the scene of the Tippit shooting except to satisfy his accusers?

What would have been the point of the alleged assassin's rushing to the spot where Tippit was shot, unless he had a rendezvous with him?

So is the timing the issue that you’re trying to make it?

We need to start by asking 3 questions:

1. What was the earliest approximate time that Oswald could have reached his rooming house?
2. How long might he have been in there?
3. How long could it have taken to walk from his rooming house to the scene of Tippit’s murder?

So..

1. Earlene Roberts said that he’d arrived at around 1.00 but the first thing that needs pointing out is how unreliable Roberts was. We only have to read her talk of a police car outside the rooming house to realise the answer to this one. ‘Fruit loop’ is the phrase I’d happily use. She kept changing the number of the car when she was consistently proven wrong. Mrs Johnson also said that she’d sacked her a couple of times due to her tall stories so, in short, she isn’t the most reliable of witnesses to put it mildly. Then we have to accept that she was just estimating the time and so we can’t narrow down Oswald’s arrival time from Roberts so we have to look at his actions prior to his arrival to see what time he could have arrived.

Oswald leaves the TSBD after being seen by Baker and Truly - around 12.32

Oswald boards Cecil McWatters bus - around 12.39

Oswald leaves the bus - around 12.43

Oswald walks around the corner and gets in to Whaley’s taxi which is parked there - around 12.46

The combined time for the taxi ride and Oswald’s walk back to the rooming house was timed at between 10 and 11 minutes, so - around12.56 to 12.57.

(A point rarely mentioned, and never by CT’s, is that Whaley saw Oswald initially walk in the opposite direction to his rooming house then he saw him turn around and walk the other way as he drove off. Mr. Innocent behaving perfectly normally of course.)

Obviously it ‘could’ have been a bit later but that’s not the point. We are trying to assess how much time he could have had. It could easily have been 12.55 when he reached his rooming house for all that we know. We simply can’t dismiss this.

2. What could have taken up any time? He put a jacket on and picked up his revolver. Even if he’d loaded his revolver he could easily have been in and out in 2 minutes or even less; what else did he need to do? Nothing. Roberts couldn’t give an exact time for how long before he left. So Oswald could have left the rooming house at 12.58 or 12.59 (I’d add that it could easily have been 12.57)

3. Secret Service agents and various researches timed the 0.85 mile walk at between 11 and 13 minutes. Remember, Roberts said that he was walking quickly when he left.

So this means that Oswald ‘could’ have actually reached the scene of Tippit’s murder any time between 1.09 and 1.12. So 1.13/1.14/1.15 would have been no problem at all.

That’s evidence-based.

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So what time was Tippit killed by Oswald? Let’s start by looking at Benavides and let’s also remember to make fair allowances for memory when people are estimating times (something that you’re usually reluctant to do.)

When asked what time he’d stopped to assist the guy who car had broken down Benavides said:

“I imagine it was around 1.00.”

He’d just eaten his lunch, saying:

“…..I had eaten around 12.00, somewhere around 12 o’clock.”

So not only was he uncertain about the time that he’d stopped to help the man he was even uncertain about the starting point for his estimation plus he didn’t seem to know how long it took him to eat his lunch,

So he sees the guy in the car around 1.00 according to his guess so it could easily have been later than that. He has a look at the car then drives away to get a carburettor part but he forgot the number so he turned back just as he’d got to the nearby parts house. He then saw the car and Tippit had already got out. Benavides pulled up. He then heard the first shot after which he pulled the car into the kerb. He ducked down and heard 2 more shots. He looked up and saw Tippit fall. He saw Oswald walk away. He then waited for a ‘few minutes.’

So how long is a ‘few minutes?’ We all know that people often use ‘minute’ as little more than a figure of speech. If someone says “wait a minute,” it doesn’t mean that the time period was necessarily exactly a minute…it might actually have been a very few seconds or more than a minute. Benavides did go into more detail later though when asked.

During a CBS TV broadcast, Benavides said: “I gave him enough time to get around the house.” Then: “Thinking he might have went in the house. I set there for maybe a second or two and then and then jumped out of the truck and run over. As I walked by, I didn’t even slow down, I seen the Officer’s dead. So I just walked on - got in the car and I figured that would be the fastest way….to get a police officer out.” (He was talking about using Tippit’s Police radio of course)

It’s also worth noting that in a Police statement Ronald Fischer (Dealey Plaza witness) used the phrase “a minute or two.” Then at the WC said “15 or 20 seconds.” He explained by saying “Well, I might have said ‘a minute or two’ in just terms.

So Benavides got to the radio a few seconds after seeing that Oswald had fled (immediately after shooting Tippit). After hearing the shots Ted Calloway goes from his workplace to the street and sees Scoggins behind his cab. He then sees Oswald come around the corner and cross the road coming in his direction, he calls over to him as he got nearer. Oswald slowed and said something to him that he didn’t catch. He saw him walk West on Jefferson then Calloway called to a B.D. Searcy and asked him to follow Oswald (which Searcy didn’t do). Calloway then ran around to the crime scene. So we can’t pinpoint the exact time that Calloway arrived at the scene. I suspect that there might have been a bit more of a delay than he realised after looking at the transcripts of the Police radio.

This was Domingo Benavides at the Warren Commission talking about the period after he’s seen Oswald walk away…. he waited then he went to Tippit’s car and:

Benavides: ……I went in and pulled the radio and i mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn’t get and answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn’t remember where it was at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street.

Belin: You saw a number on the house then?

Benavides: Yes.

Belin: All right.

Benavides: Then he started to - then I don’t know what he said; but I put the radio back. I mean, the microphone back up, and this other guy was standing there, so I got up out of the car, and I don’t know, I wasn’t sure if he heard me, and the other guy sat down in the car.

Belin: There was another passer-by that stopped?

Benavides: Yes, sir.

Belin: Who was he, do you know?

Benavides: I couldn’t tell you. I don’t know who he was.

Belin: Was he driving a car or walking?

Benavides: I don’t know. He was just standing there whenever I looked up. He was standing at the door of the car, and I don’t know what he said to the officer or the phone, but the officer told him to keep the line clear, or something, and stay off the phone, or something like that. That he already knew about it. So I then turned and walked off. I never did assist him after that at all.

So Benavides did get through but was uncertain that the police had received his message.

……

The other man was Temple Ford Bowley.

TF Bowley’s affidavit (2.12.63)

I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm. Several people were at the scene. When I got there the first thing I did was try to help the officer. He appeared beyond help to me. A man was trying to use the radio in the squad car but stated he didn’t know how to operate it. I knew how and took the radio from him. I said, “Hello, operator. A Police Officer has been shot here.” The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was. A few minutes later an ambulance came to the scene. I helped load the Officer onto the stretcher and into the ambulance. As we picked the Officer up, I noticed his pistol laying on the ground under him. Someone picked the pistol up and and laid it on the hood of the squad car. When the ambulance left, I took the gun and put it inside the squad car. A man took the pistol out and said, “Let’s catch him.” He opened the cylinder, and I saw that no rounds had been in it had been fired. This man then took the pistol with him and got into a cab and drove of.

(Fuel for the conspiracy theorists….Bowley knew Jack Ruby)

……

Ted Calloway in his short police statement made no mention of using the police radio.

But….

Ted Calloway at the Warren Commission:


Ball: When you got there what did you see?


Calloway: I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I saw - I went up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn’t know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay of the air, so I went back.

…….


The transcript of the Police radio are an absolute minefield especially to the non-specialist. But the first message received from a citizen is in the section between 1.16 and 1.18. Dale Myers who has studied them states that there are sounds on there which are entirely consistent with the efforts of someone incompetently trying to use the radio (which of course points toward Benavides ‘mashing the button’) So the 1.16 - 1.18 messages tie in with Benavides who was then replaced by Bowley.

Then we have another exchange within the radio period beginning in the 1.19 - 1.21 section. This message ended with the operator saying “10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: remain off the radio now.” And what did Calloway say that the operator had said to him? “we know about it, stay of the air, “ So this can only be Calloway talking on the radio at around 1.19. Radio times aren’t always exact according to people who know about these things so some slight leeway should be allowed.

So it’s possible that Calloway might have been a little later getting there and/or perhaps he stood talking to someone for a short while plus checking on Tippit before using the radio. Then he makes the call not realising that this has already been done. What’s not believable is that he took something like 7 minutes to get from seeing Oswald to using the radio.

So although Bowley’s watch told him he’d arrived on the scene at 1.10 the police radio transcripts are clear. The first effort to contact the police via Tippit’s radio began at 1.16 (Benavides) followed by Bowley between 1.17 and 1.18 (he didn’t wait 7 or 8 minutes after arriving before using the radio - he did it almost immediately he arrived on the scene) followed by Calloway around 1.19. Calloway arrived not long after he’d heard the shots.

Therefore the evidence shows us that Oswald killed Tippit some time between 1.15 and1.16 and also that he had more than ample time to have got there. Of course conspiracy theorists want us to believe that Oswald was just staggeringly unlucky in that his timing placed him around the scene of Tippit’s murder just as an imposter was being misidentified by around 10 witness before handing the weapon over to Oswald so that he could go see a movie in safety. We should really take our hats off in appreciation of the effort that it’s taken to keep this tirade of nonsense going for 60 years. The case was conclusively solved on 22.11.63. Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy and Officer J.D. Tippit without a shadow of a doubt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I take your point about Burroughs, but I didn't mention him - and what he said was not said in testimony.

I was referring to Benavides, not Burroughs!

Markham gives Oswald even less time than does Benavides.

Even if it was humanly possible for Oswald to have got there in time to shoot Tippit, why would he have done so, unless to keep an appointment with him?

I find this strange to say the least. Why do you allot a ‘time’ to Benavides? What time did he stop to help the guy whose car had broken down?

“I imagine it was around 1.00.”

So it was simply an estimate. And how did he arrive at that estimate? He’d just eaten his lunch, saying:

“…..I had eaten around 12.00, somewhere around 12 o’clock.”

So to sum up, he estimated what time he’d had lunch then he estimated how long had his lunch break taken to arrive at an estimation of the time that he stopped to help the guy with the broken down car. And you try to use this as some kind of ‘proof’ of time?

[Herlock Sholmes]

It is regularly claimed, and has been claimed on here, that Kennedy ‘had to go’ because certain agencies were intent on keeping the war in Vietnam’s going, whereas Kennedy was intent on withdrawing troops and committed to bringing the conflict to an end. Therefore we have at least one raison d’etre for the assassination. I’ve never really questioned the part about Kennedy being committed to withdrawal….so is it true or as black and white as some claim?

In an interview with Walter Cronkite on September 2, 1963, Kennedy said:

“It doesn’t do us any good to say, ‘Well why don’t we all just go home and leave the world to those who are our enemies,’” And, “I don’t agree with those who say that we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake. That would be a great mistake.”

Kennedy also said to David Brinkley and Chet Huntley:

“What I am concerned about is that Americans will get impatient and say because they don’t like events in Southeast Asia or they don’t like the government in Saigon, that we should withdraw. That only makes it easy for the communists. I think we should stay.”

Then at a September 12th press conference he said:

“We want the war to be won, the communists to be contained and the Americans to go home. That is our policy. I am sure it is the policy of the people of Vietnam. But we are not there to see a war lost, and we will follow the policy which I have indicated today of advancing those causes and issues which help win the war.”

On Oct 2nd the Kennedy White House issued a statement:

“….the military program in south Vietnam has made progress,” followed by, “the major part of the U.S military task can be completed by the end of 1965,” and that “by the end of this year the U.S. program for training Vietnamese should have progressed to the point where 1,000 U.S. military personnel assigned to Vietnam can be withdrawn.”

But during the October 2nd meeting with Robert McNamara, General Maxwell Taylor and senior advisors (prior to the above statement) it transpired that the 1965 date was ‘hopeful.’ Kennedy said:

“Well, let’s say it anyway. Then ‘65, if it doesn’t work out, we’ll get a new date.”

The Johnson administration release National Security Action Memoranda 273 which has been suggested as a change of direction in regard to Vietnam but in Robert McNamara’s book Retrospect he said that it: “….made it clear that Johnson’s policy remained the same as Kennedy’s: To assist the people and government of South Vietnam to win their contest against the externally directed and supported Communist conspiracy, through training support and without the application of overt U.S. military force.”

Dean Rusk wrote in his book that he: “talked with John Kennedy on hundreds of occasions about Southeast Asia, and not once did he ever suggest or even hint at withdrawal.”

So that particular ‘motive’ for conspiracy appears to hold little, if any, water. So CT’s are left with a ‘regime change’ which left ‘friend of the right-wingers’ LBJ to push through the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Clean Air Act and The Social Security Amendments (1965) which created Medicare and Medicaid. Also The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (preventing discrimination in voting) He also declared his ‘War on Poverty’ to help the poorest in society.

I bet those conspirators were ecstatic to see Kennedy gone and their boy Lyndon bringing in all of the above legislation which would have been so close to their right wing hearts? That Johnson and the FBI and the CIA and the Secret Service and the Military and the Police would have undertaken such a mind-bogglingly risky undertaking with such disastrous consequences if uncovered, and all for such negligible ‘benefits,’ beggars belief.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Nurse Audrey Bell - yet another dodgy pro-conspiracy ‘witness.’

It’s always good to get a bit more detail on witnesses in the case. Nurse Audrey Bell was cited by Fishy as a witness that supported conspiracy, or perhaps its better put to say that she was ‘unfriendly’ to the official version. She was an the Operating Room Supervisor at Parkland Hospital. This is her summary of Kennedy’s wounds that she gave to the ARRB:

- She did not see the throat wound herself.

- Although only in Trauma Room One for 3-5 minutes, she did see the head wound. After asking Dr. Perry “where is the wound,” she said he turned the President’s head slightly to the President’s anatomical left, so that she could see a right rear posterior head wound, which she described as occipital in both her oral remarks, and her drawings.

- She said she could see brain and spinal fluid coming out of the wound, but could not tell what type of brain tissue it was.

- She said it was her recollection that the right side of the President’s head, and the top of his head, were in tact, which is why she had to ask Dr. Perry where the wound was in the first place.



In Oliver Stone’s Destiny Betrayed, Stone did a bit of creative ‘editing’ and changed the word ‘occipital’ to ‘parietal.’ Nice trick in a book and documentary riddled with dishonesty and misinformation as you’d expect from him. Bell also said that the hole in Kennedy’s head was 3-4 inches in diameter which wasn’t reflected in the diagram that she marked up to illustrate this. (But I guess we’ll give her diagram a free pass whilst nitpicking over Boswell’s?)

This is from researcher Pat Speer. Pat is a believer in conspiracy and so definitely not someone intent on maintaining any ‘official version.’ He questions whether Bell was even in the trauma room:

“Her claim Dr. Perry showed her the back of Kennedy's head—when no one else remembered Dr. Perry showing the wound to anyone, or her even being in the room—is as smelly as smelly can get … At the head of the gurney (on the far side of the room) stand Drs. Jenkins and McClelland. Along the sides of the gurney stand Drs. Perry, Baxter, Jones, Peters, Salyers, etc. There is no way a nurse would push past these men, go to the head of the gurney, and ask to be shown the head wound. No way … I don't believe Bell's story, and I'm embarrassed for you if you do.”

Furthermore we have this from Dr. Ron Jones:

“I hung up the phone and turned around and noticed a table. This was a fairly large cafeteria. And just a few feet away behind me sat Dr. M. T. Jenkins, who … [was] better known as “Pepper” Jenkins, and he was head of the department of anaesthesia, and Miss Audrey Bell, who was the operating room supervisor at Parkland. And so, people were beginning to look at me at that time from … employees in the cafeteria, knowing that something must be going on. I went over to that table, and I said, “You aren't going to believe this, but the president's been shot and they're bringing him to the emergency room.” And Dr. Jenkins said, “Well, I’ll get an anaesthesia machine from the operating room and bring it right down.” And Miss Bell said, “I’ll get an operating room ready.”

Remember, Kennedy was in Trauma Room One for no more than 20 minutes. So is it believable that Nurse Bell went to prepare an operating room, making sure that everything was in place and in order for the President, and then went to the Trauma Room and walked in and up to a Doctor who was trying to save Kennedy’s life and asked to see the wound? And that Doctor briefly stopped what he was doing to show her? No chance. She might have been in trauma room for a short time but her opinions on anything to do with Kennedy cannot and should not be taken seriously.

Dr Jenkins told Dennis Breo that he doubted “any of the Parkland physicians even had a good look at the President's head.” It doesn’t stop conspiracy theorists relying on them though does it? Par for the course.

“I was standing at the head of the table in at the position the anaesthesiologist most often assumes closest to the President's head. My presence there and the president's great shock of hair and the location of the head wound were such that it was not visible to those standing down each side of the gurney where they were carrying out their resuscitative manoeuvres.”

But this is the type of dodgy witness that those that favour conspiracy tend to rely on. I think we can safely relegate Nurse Bell to the subs bench alongside Ed Hoffman, Beverley Oliver, Perry Russo, Gordon Arnold, Charles Crenshaw, Ricky White, Rose Cherami, Roger Craig and many others.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Conspiracy Theorists Magic Bullet.

Perhaps someone could explain the Magic Bullet used by conspiracy theorists to account for the wounds to Kennedy’s body? When we look at the angle of any bullet travelling from the Grassy Knoll to Kennedy’s throat it would have exited on the left side of his body in the general direction of the left rear of the car. Yet when we look at the location of the actual wound on Kennedy’s back we can see that it simply doesn’t come close to lining up. Therefore a Grassy Knoll bullet would have needed to have turned to the left after striking Kennedy’s throat. How did this happen (conspiracy theorists can’t blame Arlen Specter for this one)?

A second suggestion that I’ve heard is that the shot could have come from the overpass but a photograph of the motorcade immediately after the shots show at least 11 men up there absolutely precluding the suggestion of there being a gunman anywhere near that area.

What is certainly noticeable is that we see numerous diagrammatical recreations of the shots arguing for and against shots from the 6th floor window but nowhere do we see any recreations of how the shot could line up from the front. There is a yawning silence on this issue. Why is that? Why haven’t conspiracy theorists undertaken a recreation to prove where the shots came from? They confine themselves to criticising the official findings by trying to prove where the shots didn’t come from by resorting to feeble cries of ‘fake’ and ‘forgery’ which doesn’t come close to cutting the mustard because there’s zero evidence of it (except for its inconvenience to their theories). The reason why there are no diagrams or recreations of a shot to Kennedy’s throat from the front is because it couldn’t have happened. It’s impossible. The Grassy Knoll angle is wildly wrong and a shot from the front is impossible due to the at least 11 people on the Overpass. What’s left? I think that we all know the answer to that.

Non-conspiracist versus conspiracist thinking…..if we had a modern day crime where 3 witnesses said that Mr X hit Mr Y with a baseball bat but the CCTV footage showing the attack revealed that Mr X wasn’t carrying a baseball bat the non-conspiracist says “ok, so he didn’t attack him with a baseball bat.” The conspiracist says “well that proves that the CCTV footage has been altered!”

This parallels a CT’s approach to evidence in this case. “It doesn’t fit my preconceptions therefore the evidence against it must have been falsified and I don’t need to provide any more evidence than this.” I know which approach I prefer to take.

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It comes to something when even a noted conspiracy theorist provide ‘evidence’ in favour of a guilty Oswald when other conspiracy theorists try to claim that Oswald never owned a rifle. Edward Jay Epstein heard from someone in Houston in 1964 that George De Mohrenschildt had told him that he’d inadvertently given Oswald the cash with which he bought the rifle. Marina supposedly said: “Remember the twenty-five dollars you gave me? Well, that fool husband of mine used it to buy a rifle.”


Now, as a non-conspiracy theorist I have to point out that there is no way of validating this claim as far as I’m aware but can’t we just imagine how this kind of evidence would have been trumpeted if it had been in favour of an innocent Oswald? The fact that it came from a CT like Epstein makes it at least worthy of note and is certainly more believable than a single word that ever came out of Jim Garrison’s mouth.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Oswald’s Plan?

The often made suggestion that Oswald was heading for a pre-arranged meeting at the Texas Theatre is clearly nonsense when we take even the briefest of looks at the evidence.


Oswald leaves 1026 North Beckley - approx 1.00

Julia Postal phones the police (because Oswald has gone inside the cinema no more than 5 minutes earlier) - 1.42.

If Oswald had been heading for the Texas Theatre all along he’d have arrived there at around 1.20. Even if he’d headed for the Texas Theatre directly after killing Tippit he’d have arrived there at around 1.20 so unless he’d got lost it’s simply not creditable that this was where he was heading all along.

So we have a choice of what is the likelier.


A…Lee Harvey Oswald, after killing Kennedy, leaves 1026 North Beckley at around 1.00. He’s stopped by Officer J.D. Tippit and kills him in panic at around 1.15 (11-13 minutes walk away) then flees the scene knowing that he’s been seen. He dumps his jacket to alter his general appearance then wanders around in panic trying to lie low (hearing police sirens) whilst wondering what to do before ending up on West Jefferson, where he’s seen acting suspiciously by Johnnie Brewer as police cars are speeding past. In panic he ducks into the Texas Theatre without paying, hoping to stay there until things quieten down before fleeing.

Or

B….A completely innocent Lee Harvey Oswald (after getting dropped off 2 blocks from 1026 and then walking in the opposite direction before doing a u-turn) arrives at his rooming house where he picks up his revolver. He then meanders aimlessly around the Oak Cliff area for around 35 minutes before deciding to check out the shoes at Hardy’s Shoe Store before strolling along West Jefferson to catch a movie (forgetting to buy a ticket) And while this is happening, a guy who looks like Oswald kills Officer Tippit and is mistakenly witnessed as him by around 10 people (before handing the revolver to a passing Oswald at some point) Then when Officer Nick McDonald approaches him he stands up and says “it’s all over now,” (perhaps he meant the movie?) before pulling his revolver.




Answers on a postcard to…..

[FISHY1118]

You're fully entitled to your opinion of course Fishy but it would be good if you could provide some documentary evidence for that please. I can’t find any and I’ve looked.

ill get on it .

[Herlock Sholmes]

More for the Desroe ‘discussion.’

A point for George in regard to the previous Desroe discussion. In his WC testimony Ronald Fischer said, about the security detail: “ They jumped off - out of cars and ran up the side of the hill there and onto the tracks where these passenger - freight cars were.”

Then we have Victoria Adam’s being interviewed in 2002:

“The railroad yard behind the grassy knoll was quite a distance away. I could not see anything other than people running toward the railroad cars and I tried to run that way, too.”

Were these two imagining railways cars behind the fence too?

[Herlock Sholmes]

There is a very interesting discussion here on the backyard photos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKhM...l=firstlightvideo

Of particular interest are the finding of the WC expert Lyndal L Shaneyfelt. He concluded that the photos were taken by the camera said to belong to Oswald, but added that "he could not positively identify the rifle in the photos as the same rifle held by the FBI as the assassination weapon".

Here is the advertisement for the weapon Oswald allegedly ordered:


Note the sling rings:



Note that the sling rings in the photos are in the same position:





Here is the alleged murder weapon with the sling rings on the side of the stock:



Possible conclusions?

1. The photos are genuine and Oswald is holding the rifle that he ordered, with the sling rings underneath the stock, not on the side of the stock as shown on the murder weapon.

2. The photos were composites using the rifle that was ordered under the name of A Hidell and sent to Oswald's P.O. Box, with the sling rings underneath the stock, not on the side of the stock as shown on the murder weapon.

Either way, the rifle shown in these photos is not the alleged murder weapon.

Oswald's application for the P.O. Box shows that he was the only one authorised to collect goods from that Box.


Any goods sent to that Box to a different person would have been returned marked "Return to Sender".


However, Hoover had knowledge of this P.O. Box and attributed the pickup of the rifle to a woman named A Hidell.



This affidavit appears to be addressing the fibres allegedly found. It is not easy to decipher but it appears to conclude that there was no match, contrary to what the WC claimed.

AFFIDAVIT OF PAUL MORGAN STOMBAUGH
The following affidavit was executed by Paul Morgan Stombaugh on September 4, 1964.
PRESIDENT’S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF AFFIDAVIT
PRDSIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
DIBTRICT OF COLUMBIA, 88:
Paul Morgan Stombaugh, being duly sworn, deposes and says:
1. This affidavit is made at the request of the President’s Commission on the
Assassination of President Kennedy, for the purpose of supplementing the
testimony I gave before the Commission concerning certain hairs and fibers
I examined.
2. The principal characteristics of cotton fibers used for comparison purport%
are color and shade; and degree of twist. Of these, color and shade are by far
the most significant. The principal characteristics of viscose used for comparison purposes are color and shade, diameter, and size and distribution of
delusterlng agent.
3. The orangeyellow and grey-black cotton fibers in the shirt, Commission
Exhibit 150, were respectively of uniform shades; the dark blue cotton fibers in
the shirt were of three different shades. All the fibers in the shirt were mercerized, and of a substantially uniform twist.
4. The green cotton fibers found in the paper bag, Commission Exhibit 142,
varied in shade, but were of a uniform twist. The brown viscose fibers in the
blanket, Commission Exhibit 140, varied in diameter, shade, size, and distribution
of delustering agent.
5. Stombaugh Exhibits l-6 consist of the following items :
(a) Stombaugh Exhibit 1 consists of the hairs I found on the blanket, Commission Exhibit 140.
(b) Stombaugh Exhibit 2 consists of the known sample of Lee Harvey Oswald’s
hairs sent to me by the Dallas Office of the FBI.
(c) Stombaugh Exhibit 3 consists of the fibers I found in the paper bag,
Commission Exhibit 142.
(d) Stombaugh Exhibit 4 consists of a sample of fibers from the blanket,
Commission Exhibit 140.
(e) Stombaugh Exhibit 5 consists of the fibers I found on the rifle, Commission
Exhibit 139.
(f) Stombaugh Exhibit 6 consists of a sample of fibers from the shirt, Commission Exhibit 150.
Signed this 4th day of September, 1964.
(S) Paul Morgan Stombaugh,

Perhaps there was a Paul Strombaugh impersonator too George?

PAUL STOMBAUGH -- "The viscose fiber I found in the bag matched in all observable microscopic characteristics some of the viscose fibers found in the composition of this blanket. This would be the diameter, the diameter of that same fiber would have the same size of delustering markings, same shape, same form, and also same color."

MEL EISENBERG -- "Now, what about the green cotton fiber that you found in the paper bag, Mr. Stombaugh, how did that compare with the green cotton fiber--was it a green cotton fiber that your testimony mentioned?"

STOMBAUGH -- "Yes; there were several light green cotton fibers."

EISENBERG -- "How did they compare with the green cotton fibers which are contained in the composition of the blanket?"

STOMBAUGH -- "These matched in all observable microscopic characteristics."

……

The HSCA however had a much larger staff of experts and photographic technology unavailable to the WC and they concluded…..

"A comparison of the relative lengths of parts of the alleged assassination rifle that is in the National Archives with corresponding parts of what purports to be that rifle as shown in various photographs taken in 1963 indicates that the dimensions of the rifle(s) depicted are entirely consistent. .... A comparison of identifying marks that exist on the rifle as shown in photographs today with marks shown on the rifle in photographs taken in 1963 indicates both that the rifle in the Archives is the same weapon that Oswald is shown holding in the backyard picture and the same weapon, found by Dallas police, that appears in various post assassination photographs." -- 6 HSCA 66

And…


"The panel detects no evidence of fakery in any of the backyard picture materials." -- 6 HSCA 146

Photographs that Marina Oswald admitted to having taken. Photographs which were confirmed as having being taken by their camera. Photographs taken at an address that Oswald was keen to distance himself from by omitting it when giving the police a list of his residences. Photographs which have been checked by experts numerous times and absolutely zero evidence of tampering has ever been found.

Even though Marina Oswald has now jumped onto the conspiracy bandwagon in a desperate attempt to capitalise, she was interviewed on November 30th, 2000 in Dallas by Vincent Bugliosi and Fort Worth lawyer Jack Duffy and she still maintained that she had taken the photographs.

The main reason that the photographs continue to be questioned is down to compulsive liar Robert Groden, who was Oliver Stone’s photographic ‘consultant’ (which should tell us all that we need to know about him.) This is the man who appeared for OJ Simpson claiming that the infamous Bruno Magi shoes had been superimposed onto a photograph of Simpson (a man who was as guilty as Oswald was) Groden was exposed as someone with zero photographic qualifications, with zero references, with zero published papers or works and with zero formal training in photographic analysis. He was actually a high school dropout whose credibility was further crushed when he was accused of selling stolen autopsy photographs to The Globe….a charge he rigorously denied until the contract for the $50,000 transaction was produced leaving Groden to pathetically claim that the money was for his ‘story’ and that the autopsy photos were just ‘illustrations’. Sadly for Groden by the time that he was called back to the stand in the Simpson case they had found around 30 more photographs of Simpson in those exact same shoes. He still wouldn’t admit that he was wrong. Bad luck Bob. Groden, like Mark Lane, like Roger Craig, like Charles Crenshaw, like Jim Garrison, simply cannot and should not be taken seriously.

It’s believed that the photographs were taken on March 31st 1963 and the rifle was shipped to Oswald/Hidell on March 20th so the timing fits perfectly for Oswald showing off his new rifle.

One question that we should be asking though is this - if, as is suggested, we have forgers, fakers and imposters within the conspiracy ranks, why didn’t they simply set up a PO Box in Oswald’s own name and then order the rifle and revolver in Oswald’s own name? What possible sense would it make for someone to try and set up Oswald as the owner of the rifle by ordering it in a name that wasn’t Oswald’s and how obliging of Oswald that he conveniently carried those cards that connected him to the name Hidell? If he hadn’t carried those cards with him the name Hidell would have remained a mystery with CT’s saying “ the rifle was ordered by a bloke called Hidell so it couldn’t have been Oswald’s.” It makes absolutely no sense at all of course but anything can be suggested in conspiracy world….. purchase orders not in Oswald’s name, Oswald lookalike’s that didn’t actually look like him….it’s all part of the fantasy.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You're correct, the WC made no mention of the wallet, and later the DPD denied its existence. However, Capt Westbrook of the DPD examined the contents of the wallet, and found two IDs, and asked FBI Special Agent Bob Barrett if he had heard of Lee Harvey Oswald or Alex Hidell. Barrett replied no. If the wallet was found on Tippit, as you claim, this makes it even more interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTP...uriousitive%21

(Also connected to post #2466) There’s no denial here George, all that you need to do is check the facts before immediately leaping to assumptions. This wasn’t Oswald’s wallet.

In saying that the DPD denied the wallet’s existence you aren’t stating the facts fairly. The fact is that neither at the time nor later did a single member of the DPD mention finding Oswald’s wallet at the Tippit murder scene so three questions should immediately be asked.

1. Why would Lee Harvey Oswald have been carrying two wallets (the one found at the scene and the one taken from him in the squad car that took him away after his arrest….confirmed by 3 officers)?
2. How could Oswald have been so careless and stupid as to have dropped this vital piece of identification at the scene of Tippit’s murder?
3. Most importantly…why didn’t the police shout from the rooftops that they had found this critical piece of evidence which would have clinched the case against Oswald? Especially a police force which, according to yourself and others, was intent on framing Oswald for Tippit’s murder?

This should tell us as clearly as day that this obviously wasn’t Oswald’s wallet. We have photographs of Oswald’s two wallets and neither of them matched the one seen being held by Sergeant Owens at the crime scene as he was showing it to George Doughty. It was a completely different wallet. So how did it get suggested as being Oswald’s?

The first mention was in Hosty’s book Assignment Oswald where he stated that FBI agent Robert M. Barrett, who arrived at the scene after Tippit’s body had been removed, had said that Westbrook had found the wallet near a puddle of Tippit’s blood. Barrett said that Westbrook showed him the identification in the wallet and asked him if he knew anything about Oswald or Hidell. Hosty conjectures that in the later confusion the wallet was mistakenly believed to have been found on Oswald himself. Hosty apparently never asked himself how the police (or anyone else for that matter) could only have noticed a wallet next to the where the body lay after the body had been removed.

Barrett gave his own, slightly different version of events in 1996. He said that just after he’d arrived at the scene Westbrook, who was interviewing Helen Markham at the time, called him over. He had a wallet in his hand but Barrett said “Now, I don’t know where he found it, but he had the wallet in his hand.” Westbrook then asked him if he knew who Oswald or Hidell were, to which he replied no. Barrett then went to the Texas Theatre and then to the DPD and Westbrook’s office. While at the DPD Barrett would have heard the names Oswald and Hidell but possibly didn’t hear about the police taking the wallet from Oswald. Barrett later returned to the crime scene to take photographs and conduct interviews and while he was there he said that some unnamed and unidentified witness told him that he’d seen Oswald hand something to Tippit through the car window. Barrett admitted that he couldn’t verify this but clearly this would have cemented the notion that the wallet was found at the scene. Barrett said “I don’t think that Westbrook would have been asking me questions about something unrelated to the situation and he had the wallet with those names in it. Later, I remember seeing photographs of the contents of the wallet; in which those two names were in it.”

So he didn’t actually see the ID’s at the scene. Would it have been at all likely that Westbrook would have called Barrett over to discuss the contents of the wallet without actually showing them to him (a man that he knew well?) if it was from a potential suspect? Of course it isn’t. In recent years any officers still alive were asked about the wallet and no one corroborated this story except for Kenneth H. Croy. He said that he was handed a discarded wallet by an unknown citizen who said that the gunman had thrown it away. Significantly though Croy never mentioned this wallet at the Warren Commission in 1964. He also claimed that the wallet contained seven different ID’s in seven different names (none of which was Oswald btw) and he was adamant that there was no photograph. The wallet found on Oswald contained twelve pieces of identification; 10 in the name of Lee H. Oswald and two in the name of Alek James Hidell. There were also two items with photographs of Oswald (one in each name) So how could they have connected the wallet to Oswald at the scene if his name wasn’t actually in it? He didn’t, as he said, “Well, we didn’t know it was connected to Oswald,….We just knew it was connected to the man who shot Tippit. We didn’t know who Oswald was until they drug (sic) him out of the Texas Theatre.” So this was simply a presumption and not because of any ID in the wallet. The wallet wasn’t connected to Oswald in any way.

The first person to mention Oswald’s wallet was Sergeant Gerald L. Hill who was in the car that took Oswald away after he’d been arrested. Detective Paul Bentley took the wallet from Oswald, in the car because Oswald wouldn’t give them his name. Three officers testified at the WC that this occurred. Bentley said that he turned the wallet over to Lieutenant Baker (who also confirmed this) He left it on Captain Fritz desk, left the room for couple of minutes with two officers present, he then returned to question Oswald. Ted Calloway, who helped get Tippit’s body into the ambulance said “I’ll tell you one thing…..there was no billfold at that scene. If there was, there would have been too many people who would have seen it.” Patrolmen Pie and Jez, who were two of the first officers on the scene said that, to their knowledge, no wallet was found at the scene.

It has been suggested that the wallet might have been Tippit’s but colleagues said that it would have been safely in his pocket. The issue was put to bed in 2012 though when Tippit’s wallet was made available by the family and it wasn’t the one seen in the film. Another suggestion is that it might have been Calloway’s. He took Tippit’s gun and went looking for Oswald with Scoggins in his taxi but even if they did check his ID when he returned it doesn’t seem likely that they would have looked at his wallet in the manner that the wallet was being looked at in the film.

So we don’t know whose wallet it was. Barrett admitted that he never actually saw the identifications in the wallet but he was convinced that this occurred at the crime scene and not back at the DPD. But three things point strongly away from this.

1. If Oswald wallet had been found at the scene it would certainly have been shouted out to the Press and it would certainly have been used in evidence at the Warren Commission. It wasn’t though. This makes zero sense for people trying to prove Oswald’s guilt.
2. Barrett had a reputation within the FBI for writing overly-detailed reports. He had a habit of noting down unimportant information along with important stuff and yet in his report about the Tippit shooting and the crime scene he made absolutely no mention at all of a wallet that was found and that apparently belonged to the killer.
3. Barrett also failed to mention the wallet in front of the HSCA telling the committee members that his 1963 report was “…my best recollection, [written] at the time of the events I had seen and observed that day.”

It seems clear that Barrett was simply mistaken. He saw the wallet and because of what he heard later at the DPD he made the connection between the wallet found at the scene and Oswald’s. That such a vital piece of evidence, confirming Oswald’s presence at the crime scene, wouldn’t have been mentioned (even trumpeted) at the time) is simply not believable. Could it have simply been an unconnected, discarded wallet handed to Croy who was the first officer at the scene? Who knows?

Finally, I’ll add a piece of my own speculation. Could the wallet have simply come into Tippit’s possession earlier that day? As Calloway said, if it had been found near the body it would have been seen much earlier so maybe it was in Tippit’s car? Maybe it had been handed in to him? And might this explain his alleged attempted phone call at the Top Ten Record store? Could there have been a phone number in the wallet and Tippit decided to try it to tell the owner that he had his wallet but he got no answer? I’d say that it’s at least a possibility. It certainly wasn’t Oswald’s wallet though.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Tippet was supposed to take Oswald out , when he faulted or could do the job ( i.e he hesitated ) . Roscoe white shot him to death .

The Roscoe White story is unbelievable even by conspiracy theorists standards Fishy. His son Ricky called a Press Conference 27 years after the assassination in 1990 with his story saying that he’d read it in his dad’s diary which he found in a shed in 1982 (so why he’d waited 8 years to make this revelation is anyone’s guess?) Of course he couldn’t actually produce this diary because it was ‘stolen’ by the FBI in 1988. Beverley Oliver (professional fantasist) claimed to have seen White’s father in his police uniform in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination - it’s a pity that she didn’t photograph him with the camera that she supposedly had which wasn’t available for sale at the time. Sadly, police records show that White didn’t start his police training at the academy until December 4th so he couldn’t have been on duty in his uniform in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd. Yet another strike out for Oliver.

Ricky claimed to have seen his father and 4 other men practicing for the assassination by firing into a car on a ranch near Van Horn, Texas which was a pretty good feat of memory considering that he was only 3 years old at the time. He also claimed that his father was a covert CIA operative codename “Mandarin” who fired 2 shots from behind the picket fence with a Mauser whilst a man called “Lebanon” fired 2 shots from the TSBD and a man called “Saul” fired 2 shots from the Dallas County Records Building and they did this because Kennedy was somehow a threat to world wide peace! He claimed that his father was probably murdered even though he was killed after receiving 99% burns resulting in an explosion at the premises where he worked as a welder.

White had actually first contacted the authorities in 1988 (when he claimed that his father’s diary had been stolen by the FBI) but he didn’t mention anything that he went on to mention in 1990. In 1988 he said nothing about his father being a CIA officer but what he did say was that his father, J.D. Tippit and Lee Harvey Oswald conspired to kill Kennedy because they were ex-Marines who were angry over The Bay Of Pigs (yawn) He claimed that his father and his father’s unnamed mistress (who supposedly worked at the TSBD) arranged for Oswald to get the job there. White showed the FBI some items including a receipt from the HSCA for a copy of the backyard photo but it was known that many police officers ‘acquired’ JFK assassination memorabilia so there was nothing particularly pertinent about that. The FBI closed its file on the matter in 1988 because they saw nothing of value in anything that White said and that he was simply trying to cash in on the conspiracy bandwagon.

White’s drivel was further exposed by 2 researchers. Firstly he claimed that his mother had received electro shock treatment from a Dr. Daniel Pearson to erase her memory of the conspiracy. David Perry contacted Dr Pearson who said that he had indeed given her electro shock treatment but for her depression and that it couldn’t erase someone’s memory. Roscoe White had actually received a hardship discharge from the Army due to his wife’s depression so her illness was clearly being treated using the accepted methods of the time. Then Perry and Gary Mack contacted a guy that Ricky White had claimed was a hit man in the conspiracy but he turned out to be an entirely innocent blueberry farmer. When Mack told White that he had good news for him, that his dad wasn’t an assassin, he expected him to be happy about it but he was just speechless and clearly disappointed. He had tried to sell his ludicrous story as a book and a movie and even got the backing of a group of 7 young oil millionaires but nothing ever came of it. One of the millionaires said later: “Ricky sounded sincere, and if what he said was true, he had the key to the biggest mystery in American History. We were young and naive, and being in Midland, had nothing much better to do. We figured we could spend about as much on this project as it would cost to drill a dry hole.”

A CT called Joe West tried to revive this nonsense by calling a press conference claiming that, before her death, Roscoe White’s wife, Geneva, found a copy of the diary which Oliver Stone paid $5000 for! Pretty much everyone who saw it believed that Geneva had created it herself. Hilariously one of the ‘handlers’ mentioned in the ‘diary’ was called ‘Watergate’ even though the Watergate scandal occurred 9 months after White died. And despite the entries supposedly being from between 1957 and 1971 they appeared to be written using the same felt pen. The best that can be said about White is that he went to Japan on the same ship as Oswald along with 7000 others (enough for a conspiracy theorist to get excited about of course) and White and Oswald were both stationed at Subic Bay in 1957 so they could conceivably have run into each other. But that’s all.

All of White’s ‘evidence’ was turned over to the Texas Attorney General’s office for investigation. They said that the ‘evidence’ had: “not given any credibility to anything these people have been trying to say.” The story is complete hogwash. Unsurprising Jim Garrison swallowed it (as you would expect of a fantasist like him)

How can anyone take this kind of stuff seriously? I can help smiling when I hear people saying that they don’t believe the Warren Commission and they don’t believe the pathologists and they don’t believe all of the other experts used in the case and yet they’ll hear an obvious fantasist like White (and Beverly Oliver for that matter) and immediately and uncritically give him the seal of approval!

[Herlock Sholmes]

The bus stop at which Oswald was standing was for buses headed north. The Tippit site was to the south. So whether he was waiting for a bus or for someone to pick him up, the theory is that he tired of that and started walking. Testimony stated that Tippit's murderer approached from the east, but Oswald would have been approaching from the west. So did he walk past the site of the murder, and seeing Tippit driving down the street, and being on the run, turn around and go back to confront him?

Four shots were fired into Tippit. Bullets recovered were 3 Winchester and 1 Remington. The original radio call-in identified the casings as 38 Auto, later to become just 38, 2 Winchester and 2 Remington. Also found was a wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. So according to the WC, Oswald had shot Tippit with 4 shots from a revolver, opened the cylinder and picked out the expended casings and thrown them on the ground, and then took out his wallet and threw that on the ground as well. Very accommodating of him to be sure.

He then allegedly took himself off to the Texas Theatre where he was arrested, after all the audience had been removed from the theatre, and allegedly drew a fully loaded revolver. Also found upon him was was a another wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. Doesn't everyone carry two wallets with forged driver's licences and ID for aliases? After all, you never know if you may need to throw down one of them after you have just shot someone.

The usual reply will be that none of this happened, but there is contemporaneous news footage to show that it did. Didn't seem to bother the WC theorists in the slightest.

Cheers, George

In Roberts affidavit she saw Oswald (even though Mr. Innocent registered himself O.H. Lee…..innocent men always use assumed names of course) on the curb at a bus stop but she didn’t look for enough to see how long he stood there or which way he went.

At the WC she said when asked about Oswald leaving:”He was walking fast - he was making tracks pretty fast” and that he was zipping up his jacket as he left.

So why would he have been “walking fast” if he was only intending to stand at a bus stop just to the right of the house a few feet away? The obvious possibility that’s ignored by conspiracy theorists of course is that Oswald only stood there for a very few seconds and was probably never intending to catch a bus. Perhaps he stopped because he was having trouble with his zip? Perhaps he couldn’t make his mind up which way to go or where he would go? Perhaps he considered catching a bus but nerves got the better of him so he kept moving? There’s simply nothing suspicious about this unless we start imagining stuff.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Cover story Kennedy used for an official reason .

Hoover indeed had everything to do with it.

You're fully entitled to your opinion of course Fishy but it would be good if you could provide some documentary evidence for that please. I can’t find any and I’ve looked.