JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

Dulles had been sidelined, but JFK was not intent on breaking up the CIA.

The best known quote is JFK vowing to break the CIA 'into a thousand pieces.' A massive undertaking which was not possible during his first term so was put on the back burner. Had JFK been re-elected in 1964 then he presumably would have made some moves to curb its influence.

The CIA did not act with impunity under LBJ, McCone quit because LBJ wouldn't listen when the CIA said the bombing in Vietnam was not working and expanding the war would be a good idea.

Of course the CIA acted with impunity post the assassination, as did the FBI. When the Head of State is assassinated in public in any country then the sacking of senior security officials, even if only for public consumption, inevitably follows. This did not happen in the USA in 1963/64 which indicates the confidence Johnson retained in those who had overseen his rise to power.
As for expanding the war, I think McCone was instrumental in making Laos the most bombed country on the planet. Maybe if he had not resigned he could have celebrated the expansion of the conflict into Cambodia.

Oswald met Kostikov at the Soviet Embassy. Kostikov and other employees at the Soviet Embassy have said so

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There is no reliable evidence they ever met. Kostikov could not speak English and Oswald's Russian was basic.

So faking a phone call to the Embassy was unnecessary and shows incompetence by the Conspirators.

Maybe the conspirators did not trust that the testimony of Soviet embassy employees would be accepted to the degree that you do. This would be the same people guaranteed to deny Kostikov was part of an assassination department. The phone call established a link between a fake Oswald and Kostikov which was independent of dodgy witnesses. A type written letter discovered by Mrs. Payne helped cement the spurious Oswald/Kostikov link.

Thanks for admitting you have no evidence that McCloy was initially skeptical about the Lone Gunman theory.

Maybe your browser is playing up again. Try obscure sites like 'Wikipedia,' 'Politico,' and 'Spartacus Educational,' the latter of which provides most detail on McCloy's conversion to the WC narrative.

[FrankO]

Neither am I, but Michael Haag and Luke Haag are.

NOVA has a good documentary.

I had seen it before, but thanks for posting it, Fiver. It's indeed a good documentary.

[Fiver]

The worst outcome was Vietnam. 58000 deaths. While those on this post may think this is about- whether Oswald did it or not, is really not the issue at all.

Again, the myth that JFK wouldn't have escalated the war in Vietnam. This was the President whose brinksmanship led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[Fiver]

80% of Americans believe that its government lied to them regarding JFK, RFK and MLK.

Reality is not an opinion poll.

And your numbers are wrong. 50% of Americans believe in a conspiracy. 28% believe Oswald acted alone. 22% didn't know.

And of those who believe there was a conspiracy, 43% believe the US government was involved.

[Fiver]

Using advanced technology today, not even dreamed of in 1963 , to prove an event that took place in 1963 is a lie!
Despite advanced engineering and the fact that the technology is proven, the government is always right. Rubbish and technology averse.

Advanced technology has repeatedly proven that the photographs were real, the ballistics were real, the fingerprints were real, and the x-rays were real. Yet Conspiracists cling to a Conspiracy that was so good at forging evidence that they could fool technologies that weren't invented yet, yet so stupid that they needed to forge evidence.

[Fiver]

Your understanding of how a conspiracy works may not be comprehensive. The impersonation of Oswald was a bit more than an unfortunate student prank. The point of the bogus call was establish a link between Oswald and the KGB, specifically an officer called Kostikov from memory, who was allegedly head of an assassination unit. The fact this 'prank' call took place around two months before the JFK assassination speaks for itself. It also suggests the fake caller was aware that US intelligence intercepted and recorded calls made to foreign embassies in Mexico City. This indicates inside knowledge by the conspirators.

Oswald met Kostikov at the Soviet Embassy. Kostikov and other employees at the Soviet Embassy have said so. So faking a phone call to the Embassy was unnecessary and shows incompetence by the Conspirators.

[Patrick Differ]

Using advanced technology today, not even dreamed of in 1963 , to prove an event that took place in 1963 is a lie!
Despite advanced engineering and the fact that the technology is proven, the government is always right. Rubbish and technology averse.

80% of Americans believe that its government lied to them regarding JFK, RFK and MLK. The 60s affected those of us who grew up in that America. It included 58,000 who died in Vietnam as a result of that assassination. Including personal friends and neighbors. Americans have skin in this game.

it did not help that the government hid information. That only grew the suspicion. The WC pushed one outcome and never entertained others. Their word was good enough. But then 2 others RFK and MLK were murdered...again by some " lone nut", That only grew suspicion.

The worst outcome was Vietnam. 58000 deaths. While those on this post may think this is about- whether Oswald did it or not, is really not the issue at all.

The issue is whether the government lied about all 3 murders and whether these 58000 deaths could have been prevented.

Americans have historically never trusted government. That is even more true in 2025.

Peace

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes Mike, I find it hard to understand how some can use the Z-film in support of a point they want to make and then, when that very point is countered by something or some things that is/are to be seen in that film, they say they trust other evidence over the film, that some frame or other is not what it looks like or try to make some point by stating that it was only 18.3 frames per second.

If the film is to be fake or tampered with, then, indeed, why did they leave in the initial forward movement of the president's head immediately after the fatal shot, why didn’t they erase Connally’s right hand & hat after frame 224 or instead add blood on his hand? Why not go all the way with it while they were at it?

It makes no sense at all Frank. The wound at the side of the President’s is clearly visible but there is none at the back of his head. That should be an end to all discussion of a rear head wound. Witnesses are fallible, film isn’t. But in this case conspiracy theorists turn this logic on its head and desperately claim that witnesses were correct (at least a % of them were. The ones that didn’t agree were mistaken of course) but the film footage lies and they do this whilst saddled on the highest of horses. They suggest that we are the gullible ones for favouring the technology over human senses and memory.

[Fiver]

Feel free to use the browser device on your internet connection. Not that McCloy's conversion should be much of a problem for WC disciples. Better a sinner who repents after all.

Thanks for admitting you have no evidence that McCloy was initially skeptical about the Lone Gunman theory.

[Fiver]

He had been side lined by JFK who was intent on breaking up his beloved CIA. After the assassination the CIA could act with impunity.

Dulles had been sidelined, but JFK was not intent on breaking up the CIA. The CIA did not act with impunity under LBJ, McCone quit because LBJ wouldn't listen when the CIA said the bombing in Vietnam was not working and expanding the war would be a good idea.

[FrankO]

The Zapruder film is treated like a buffet table by conspiracy theorists Frank. They believe that the head movement (ignoring the forward movement of course) proves that there was a shot from the front despite an army of experts explaining to the contrary and yet when it’s pointed out that the film clearly shows that there was no wound to the back of Kennedy’s head they shout “fake!”

Yes Mike, I find it hard to understand how some can use the Z-film in support of a point they want to make and then, when that very point is countered by something or some things that is/are to be seen in that film, they say they trust other evidence over the film, that some frame or other is not what it looks like or try to make some point by stating that it was only 18.3 frames per second.

If the film is to be fake or tampered with, then, indeed, why did they leave in the initial forward movement of the president's head immediately after the fatal shot, why didn’t they erase Connally’s right hand & hat after frame 224 or instead add blood on his hand? Why not go all the way with it while they were at it?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I thought that I’d make a suggestion to help Fishy avoid the taxing effort of cutting and pasting the entirety of Gil Jesus’s website onto here by posting this link.

https://gil-jesus.com/:2thumbsup:

No need to thank me.

And by the way, the answer to the question on the link is…yes he was.

[FISHY1118]

SO I GUESS WHEN SOME POSTERS SAY ''WITNESSES SAW OSWALD SHOOT TIPPIT'' WE CAN SAFELY SAY, THAT IS NOT A ''FACT ''.




The Tippit Witnesses: A "Positive Identification" ?


What a lot of people don't realize is how important clothing is to the "positive identification" of a suspect. Unless you can prove that the suspect changed clothes AFTER committing the crime, the identification of a suspect's clothes is secondary only to facial recognition in a witness' identification of a suspect.

So how did the Tippit witnesses fare in identifying Oswald's clothing as those worn by the killer

( A note for the newbies: Keep in mind that Oswald's tan jacket is Commission Exhibit 162, his blue jacket is Commission Exhibit 163 and the shirt he was arrested in is Commission Exhibit 150. )


The Jacket

Helen Louise Markham

Mr. BALL. I have here an exhibit, Commission Exhibit 162, a jacket. Did you ever see this before ?

Mrs. MARKHAM. No I did not. ( 3 H 312 )



Barbara Jeanette Davis

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn ?

Mrs. DAVIS. No sir. ( 3 H 347 )



Virginia Davis testified that the killer wore a "light brown tan jacket" ( 6 H 457 ) but she was never shown CE 162 and asked to identify it.

Domingo Benavides identified Oswald's BLUE jacket ( CE 163 ) as the one the killer wore. ( 6 H 453 )

William Scoggins testified that CE 162 was too light and the killer's jacket was darker. ( 3 H 328 )

When shown the CE 162 jacket, Ted Callaway testified that he thought the killer's jacket "had a little more tan to it". ( 3 H 356 )

William Arthur Smith remembered that the killer wore "..a sport coat of some kind...." ( 7 H 85 )


The Commission failed to mention in its Report that witnesses had described the Tippit killer's jacket as a sport jacket, dark in color and of a rough fabric, all descriptions that did not match the jacket in evidence.

The Commission also failed to report that this same group of witnesses failed to identify Oswald's shirt ( CE 150 ) as the one the killer wore.


The Shirt

Mr. BALL. I show a shirt here, which is Exhibit 150. Did you ever see a shirt the color of this ?

Mrs. MARKHAM. The shirt that this man had, it was a lighter looking shirt than that. ( 3 H 312 )



Mr. BALL. I show you a shirt, which is Commission Exhibit 150. Was that---does that shirt look like something he had on, that the man had on who went across your lawn ?

Mrs. DAVIS. I thought that the shirt he had on was lighter than that. ( 3 H 347 )



Benavides testified that Tippit's killer wore a dark shirt but he didn't know what color. He was never asked to identify CE 150 as the shirt he saw.

Callaway, Virginia Davis and Scoggins could not identify the CE 150 shirt as the shirt Tippit's killer was wearing because they all claimed to have not been able to see the shirt.

So these seven witnesses ( including William Smith ), who the Commission counted among those who made a "positive identification" of Oswald as the killer of Officer J.D. Tippit, never made a positive identifcation of his clothing.

In addition, three Jefferson Ave. witnesses who saw the gunman as he fled the Tippit murder, L.J. Lewis, B.M. Patterson and Harold Russell, were never called to testify.

A fourth Jefferson Ave. witness, Warren Reynolds did testify and in spite of his alleged observance and following of the man with the gun, he was never shown the shirt and jacket and asked to identify them.

That's eleven witnesses who saw the man who executed Tippit and did not identify Oswald's jacket and shirt as those worn by the killer.

And as I said before, if you can't positively identify the suspect's clothing, you can't positively identify the suspect.

Unless you can prove that he changed his clothes after the murder, which he didn't.

The FBI was careful which witnesses it selected to appear before the Commission and Commission Counsel was careful not to ask certain questions of witnesses.

And under those circumstances, the evidence indicates that Tippit's killer was not Oswald.

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[FISHY1118]

The Case for a Mauser --- Conclusion [actual evidence in red links ]

A Question of Credibility

For many years now, Warren Commission apologists and many researchers alike have questioned the credibility of the officers who found the rifle on the sixth floor.

Their solution to the credibility issue is simple: in anything Boone and Weitzman saw or heard, they were mistaken. Craig was a xxxx.

But the real credibility problem may lie with the man who brought the two rifles into the building two days before the motorcade.



The conflicting accounts of Warren Caster

On December 5, 1963, Warren Caster was interviewed by the FBI. He told them that the rifle he purchased was an American-made 30.06, that he showed it to Mr. Truly in Truly's office on the second floor and that he did not show the two rifles to anyone else.

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But Truly's office was on the first floor and Truly testified that they examined the rifle on the counter near the front door on the first floor. ( 7 H 382 ) William Shelley also testified that he picked up and handled the .22 rifle. ( 7 H 390 )

In his short deposition, Caster completely reversed what he told the FBI on December 5th and admitted that Shelley was present when he showed the rifle to Truly and that "there were workers there at the time." ( 7 H 388 )


He also gave conflicting accounts of when exactly the rifles left the building. He told the FBI that he took the rifles and put them in the trunk of his car at "approximately 4:30 pm" on the 20th.

He told the Warren Commission he left for the day "around 4 o'clock". ( ibid. )

In addition, there's no witness to support his claim that he removed the rifles from the building when he left for the day.



He told the FBI that his rifle was an American-made rifle manufactured by Kodiak Arms of North Haven Connecticut.

But William Shelley examined the rifle and said it was a "foreign make" converted to a 30.06. ( 7 H 390 )

On March 19, 1964, Caster provided the FBI with an alibi for the first time, which it never looked into, that he was having lunch with Professor Vernon V. Payne at North Texas State University in Denton when the President was assassinated.

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Professor Payne was head of the Business School at NTSU and one wonders if his wife happened to be another "Mrs. Payne" who owned a station wagon.

North Texas State University was a hotbed of right-wing extremism and its political groups were aligned with General Walker and his anti-Kennedy stand.



A hot potato

The Warren Commission did everything it could to avoid the issue of rifles in the building until May 14, 1964, when it deposed Warren Caster.

And when they finally deposed him, they did so with the utmost dispatch. His testimony covered a whole two pages. Just two pages for a man who brought two rifles into the Texas School Book Depository two days before the assassination.

In comparison, they published over 18 pages of testimony from William Crowe, the emcee of Jack Ruby's club.



An upper floor encounter

In his original affidavit, Dallas Officer Marrion Baker said that in their climb up rear stairwell, he and Roy Truly encountered a man on "the third or fourth floor" who was "walking away from the stairway" and who Truly vouched for. This man, Baker said was wearing "a light brown jacket".

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I suggest that this was NOT the second floor Oswald-in-the-lunchroom-vestibule encounter. He didn't even match Oswald's description. This was a second, separate encounter with a man who was coming down the rear stairwell, heard the commotion on the second floor and tried to duck out on the floor he was on.

That's why Baker saw him walking away from the stairway.

Who was this man ? Was it Truly's pal Warren Caster ? Is that who Truly vouched for ?

Only Truly would know and he was never asked.



The FBI fails ---- again

Caster's conflicting accounts should have been a red flag for the FBI to look further into him.
They should have examined his rifle to see if it had a scope and the sales records of its purchase.

They should have checked his alibi.

They should have looked at the cars Professor Payne owned.

They should have included his picture in a picture lineup and shown that lineup to witnesses who claimed to have seen the man with the rifle on the sixth floor, if for no other reason, than to eliminate him as a suspect.

The FBI's interviews of 72 witnesses who worked in the building centered on their having seen a stranger in the building on the day of the assassination. But not one was asked if they had seen Warren Caster in the building on that day.

They should have looked into both Caster and Prof. Payne to ascertain if they had any connection to the anti-Castro Cubans or the Young Republican Club at NTSU that was planning to "rub Kennedy's dick in the ground" when he came to Dallas. ( 17 H 539 )

A man who brings two rifles into the building two days before the motorcade is to pass by, warrants IMO, a longer deposition than two pages. This guy should have been pressured to prove everything he said. Everything.

That's what they should have and would have done in a normal criminal investigation.

Instead they just took his word and let it die.

That was because this was not a normal investigation.

This was an investigation to gather evidence against Oswald and Oswald alone.


The Katzenbach Memo laid out the foundation for the coverup: "the public must be satisfied that Oswald was the sole assassin, that he did not have confederates who are still at large, and the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial".

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And with that goal in mind, evidence to the contrary was ignored, suppressed or simply vanished into thin air.

Just like the Mauser did.


Anything that didn't fit the official story of LHO acting alone was suppressed and/or replaced. It wasn't ever intended to be an honest investigation. It was intended to pin the blame on one patsy. There's testimony that a Mauser was in the building two days before. It was reported that they discovered a Mauser on the 22nd. Yet people on this forum look at replacing a Mauser with a Mannlicher Carcano as if it was some kind of incredible, impossible feat. An inconvenient piece of evidence was substituted as the cover story evolved in the first 24 hours. It's no mean trick, but to hear some of the people on this forum go on about it, you'd think they turned lead to gold.


THE MOE ,LARRY , AND CURLY WARREN COMMISSION SHOW CONTINUES.

[FISHY1118]

Let's see... strap attachment moves from the side to the bottom, rifle changes length from catalog to shipment, rifle changes from 7.65 Mauser to 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, misaligned scope becomes accurate, Oswald's palmprints appear only after his death, worn strap becomes new again...

No wonder they call CE 399 the Magic Bullet. It came from a magic rifle.


A white jacket that becomes tan.

.38 auto shells that become .38 specials.

An automatic pistol that becomes a revolver.


More nonsense from the MOE , LARRY , CURLY COMMISSION ?