JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Patrick Differ]

Mary Moorman gave statements on November 22 to the Dallas Police and the FBI. She was also interviewed by Jim Featherston of the Dallas Times Herald before she left Deally Plaza. That night, Moorman was interviewed by WFAA TV.

That's four interviews, not zero.
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None by the WC. Thats zero. And she never got her film back.

[Patrick Differ]

Connally believed that Oswald shot him because he believed the evidence.

Except for loonies like Jim Garrison, everyone believes that Connally was struck by the second bullet.

The tears in Connally's jacket and shirt and the wound to his back are not round holes. They show the bullet was tumbling when it struck Connally in the back.

The Parkland doctors did not measure the wound - they were trying to save JFK's life, not perform a forensic examination. Modern testing has show that a bullet fired through ballistic gel will start to tumble as it exits, leaving a relatively round exit wound.

The wound channel had closed up, so Humes could not have traced the wound channel. He also could not have precisely located the throat wound due to the tracheotomy attempt by the Parkland doctors.

The hole in Connallys jacket was oval and smaller than the length of the bullet consistent with an entrance wound from an elevation. If you want to interpret that as a magic bullet that exits the throat as a one quarter inch round hole, turns right than left then down go ahead.

[Fiver]

The fence behind the grassy knoll where smoke was seen was a perfect chip shot and alignment on that head shot.

A shot from the Grassy Knoll would have exited the left side of JFK's head and almost certainly struck Jackie Kennedy. All of the photographic evidence contradicts a shot from the Grassy Knoll.

As to smoke near the Grassy Knoll.

"I was standing on top of the triple underpass and the President's Car was coming down Elm Street and when they got just about to the Arcade I heard what I thought for the moment was a fire cracker and he slumped over and I looked toward the arcade and trees and saw a puff of smoke come from the trees and I heard three more shots after the first shot but that was the only puff of smoke I saw." - S M Holland

"SIMMONS said that he recalled that a motorcycle policeman drove up the grassy slope toward the Texas School Book Depository Building, jumped off his motorcycle and then ran up the hill toward the Memorial Arches. SIMMONS said he thought he saw exhaust fumes of smoke near the embankment in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building." - James L Simmons

"Mr. JOHNSON stated that white smoke was observed near the pavilion, but he felt that this smoke came from a motorcycle abandoned near the spot by a Dallas policeman." - Clemon Earl Johnson

A properly functioning rifle would not have emitted significant amounts of smoke. A badly maintained rifle would have emitted smoke withe every shot.

[cobalt]

By the time of the interaction with Tippet, he had been stopped by Tippet, so those witnesses cannot tell us how fast he was traveling on foot before then.

We already know he must have been walking very briskly (at the very least) given the distance (largely undisputed) and even the latest accepted time of the shooting. (BTW, Fiver is in Jack Ruby mode and mixing up Officers Tippit and Tippet.) The LHO who resisted the temptation to dash out of the TSBD- when he knew where he was headed- is later walking quickly along streets when he has no apparent place to go.

A Conspiracy that had Oswald in a car would have no reason to drop him off until they were outside of Dallas.

That would depend on whether the conspirators wanted him shot or wanted him to escape surely.

Getting to the Texas Theater by the time of the Tippet shooting would require Oswald to walk a lot farther than the distance to the Tippet murder site in the same amount of time.

Correct, which is why he was driven to the theatre. No bus or taxi reported LHO being driven anywhere after 1pm, despite the lure of temporary fame. So it must have been in a private vehicle, or perhaps a police car of which there were more than just Tippit's available in the nearby area.

[Fiver]

Elizabeth Moorman who was photographing on the side of this debris field had her film confiscated and she was NEVER interviewed.

Mary Moorman gave statements on November 22 to the Dallas Police and the FBI. She was also interviewed by Jim Featherston of the Dallas Times Herald before she left Deally Plaza. That night, Moorman was interviewed by WFAA TV.

That's four interviews, not zero.
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[Fiver]

Zapruder shows an explosion at the right temple of JFK but somehow the debris field that hits the motorcycle cop directly behind and to the left of Kennedy is not Newtonian Physics but some other physics caused by bodily reaction.

Officer Hargis was in motion forwards, plus there was a wind coming from in front of the motorcade.

There's also the statements of other witnesses who were in front of JFK.

Senator COOPER. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over.
Senator COOPER. What was that?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Body matter; flesh.

Governor CONNALLY. So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

Mrs. CONNALLY. I just pulled him over into my arms because it would have been impossible to get us really both down with me sitting and me holding him. So that I looked out, I mean as he was in my arms, I put my head down over his head so that his head and my head were right together, and all I could see, too, were the people flashing by. I didn't look back any more. The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us.

[Fiver]

Having been to Dealy and walked it twice it dawns on you that shots from the grassy knoll, book depository and Daltek building are a perfect crossfire.

A crossfire is an incredibly stupid idea if you are trying to frame a lone patsy. Firing at a moving target is an incredibly stupid idea unless you have no other choice.

The Dal-Tex building, like the TSBD, are good firing positions. The Grassy Knoll is a bad firing position that requires the shooter to escape unnoticed carrying a rifle.

"When one first stands behind the picket fence, he/she is struck by a number of sensations. First, there is no clear shot at the middle lane of Elm Street [where the limousine was] until the instant of the head shot, allowing for no earlier shots or tracking of the moving target. It turns out that the intended victim is obscured by road signs and a white retaining wall about ten feet in front of the fence.

An even more compelling problem was driven home during the filming of JFK. I was fortunate to be able to stand near the camera as this scene was reenacted. With the street crowd added as it appeared on the day of the shooting, it became clear that, insofar as the first two shots are concerned, a grassy knoll shot was also obstructed by the crowd that lined the sidewalk. The assassin would thus [have] had to shoot through the white wall, the road signs, and bystanders to get to the President." - Guy Russo

[Fiver]

Those who claim to have seen Oswald in the 6th floor window in an 8 second event where the window frame itself blocks the shooter, as well as being behind the box perch, is somehow more credible than Connally.

The shooting took a little more than 8 seconds. The man was visible for significantly longer than that.

And nothing in Connally's statements contradicts the idea that Oswald was the shooter, firing from the 6th floor.

[Fiver]

Especially those that completely contradict it. John Connally would be credible in the Parkland Hospital bed that he was hit by a second bullet as Kennedy was already hit and he was not. So the need to have one bullet for one shooter was immediately known the moment Connally told the truth. That is a cover up by any measure.

John Connally was interviewed November 27. You have the Conspiracy faking evidence days before they knew they needed to fake evidence.

[Fiver]

One concern I always had was the fact that many key eyewitness testimonies never ended up in the WC Report.

Feel free to list who these "key witnesses" were and show that they were deliberately ignored.

[Fiver]

How would Connally know who shot him? Connally was adamant he was hit by a second shot. The shot in Connallys jacket matches an entrance wound from an elevation behind not a tumbling bullet. How was there yaw coming out of JFK if the Doctors at Parkland saw a round wound in the neck before they did a tracheotomy? And Humes never traced the bullet.

Connally believed that Oswald shot him because he believed the evidence.

Except for loonies like Jim Garrison, everyone believes that Connally was struck by the second bullet.

The tears in Connally's jacket and shirt and the wound to his back are not round holes. They show the bullet was tumbling when it struck Connally in the back.

The Parkland doctors did not measure the wound - they were trying to save JFK's life, not perform a forensic examination. Modern testing has show that a bullet fired through ballistic gel will start to tumble as it exits, leaving a relatively round exit wound.

The wound channel had closed up, so Humes could not have traced the wound channel. He also could not have precisely located the throat wound due to the tracheotomy attempt by the Parkland doctors.

[Fiver]

Since no one ever saw him jogging or running we have to assume he was walking, as described by witnesses who saw the interaction with Tippit.

Mr. BALL.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.
Mr. BALL. You recall he went out zipping it-was he running or walking?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was walking fast-he was making tracks pretty fast.

By the time of the interaction with Tippet, he had been stopped by Tippet, so those witnesses cannot tell us how fast he was traveling on foot before then.

Thus doesn't necessarily rule out Oswald as the killer of Tippit, but it indicates he was driven to the scene (for reasons unknown) thereby suggesting a conspiracy. Either that or Oswald was in the cinema whilst the drama was unfolding, as seems most likely to me.

Neither of those options make the slightest bit of sense.

A Conspiracy that had Oswald in a car would have no reason to drop him off until they were outside of Dallas.

Getting to the Texas Theater by the time of the Tippet shooting would require Oswald to walk a lot farther than the distance to the Tippet murder site in the same amount of time.

[Herlock Sholmes]

80% of the American Public believes it was a Conspiracy by LBJ, Hoover and Dulles.

Because that what they have been told in movies and documentaries by armies of conspiracy theorists Patrick. You must surely accept that only a tiny proportion of these have looked at the evidence in any great detail. I’d love to know what percentage of these people arrived at that conclusion solely after watching the movie JFK. I tend to think that it might be quite a high number.

[FrankO]

Sorry...

[Patrick Differ]

Yet all this evidence Patrick , which btw has been presented over this thread many many times, and still we are told were a bunch of ''Conspiracy Theorist nutjobs'



''LBJ became the new Administration and his pals Hoover and Dulles helped him control this outcome. The WC has too many flaws to be believable.''

THE END.

80% of the American Public believes it was a Conspiracy by LBJ, Hoover and Dulles.