JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

And all of those to defend a proven traitor, wife beater and double murderer with long term psychiatric issues.

That's four allegations, none of which have ever been proven. Oswald's defection to the USSR would indicate a traitor save for the fact that he was never court martialled for this offence on his return. In fact the USA embassy helped with his costs to return. Given that there was a 'fake defector' programme being operated at the time Oswald might have been a patriot rather than a traitor.

Oswald's mistreatment of his wife is based on comments made by his wife and repeated by others, mostly 'White Russian' emigres. Not a group I have ever placed much reliance on in matters political, but my prejudices aside there was never a case brought against Oswald for beating his wife so the issue remains unproven.

The double murderer allegation remains unproven as well since Oswald never had the opportunity to make his case in open court. A few scribbled notes by interrogators that turned up years later comprise the extent of his own defence. The double murder theory is integral to the LG theory since if, horror upon horrors, it ever emerged that Oswald could not have killed Kennedy then the entire Tippit murder becomes incomprehensible. So the double murder theory is a belt and braces job for a pair of ill fitting trousers.

Oswald was diagnosed as having mental issues by a school psychiatrist IIRC. I'm not aware of this issue having arisen in his army service or later life. So the word 'long term' is probably misleading. School diagnoses can be notoriously inaccurate. I think Einstein's mathematics ability was judged as moderate when he was a schoolboy, but few would describe his mathematical problems as long term.

Poor old Lee. I say poor old Kennedy family. Poor old families Humes, Boswell, Finck, the secret service agents and those working on the WC who have their names dragged through the mud so that people can continue their hobby

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Such concern for the great and good is admirable. It might be an idea to extend that compassion to Marina, former wife of Lee Oswald, and his two daughters.

[Fiver]

How could they know there were no strangers in the building if they didn't know all of the employees ?

Is English a second language for your source?

None of those witnesses said that there were no strangers in the building. They said that they didn't see any strangers in the building.

Oswald worked in the building from October 16th- November 22nd ( 27 days not counting Veteran's day ).
That's 216 hours in that building.

And they never saw him. Not even in the lunchroom.

Your source appears to not know that there were two lunchrooms. And that not everyone ate in the lunch rooms.

How much weight do we give these witness statements that they didn't see any strangers in the building on the morning of the assassination when they didn't see Oswald for 27 days ?

My guess is not much.

So now you're accusing 16 people of lying because they didn't see Oswald? Seriously?

[Herlock Sholmes]

He isn't just accusing people of lying, he's accusing them of being part of a criminal conspiracy to commit murder. And yet claiming someone might be mistaken is an insult to their memory.

It’s a striking double standard Fiver. We say that a witness, in difficult circumstances, made an error (knowing what we do about witnesses and how they can be wrong) and Fishy reacts as if we’ve accused them of some horrendous crime. Then in the next breath he’s perfectly happy to accuse Humes, Boswell, Finck and the entire Warren Commission of actually lying!

And all of those to defend a proven traitor, wife beater and double murderer with long term psychiatric issues. Poor old Lee. I say poor old Kennedy family. Poor old families Humes, Boswell, Finck, the secret service agents and those working on the WC who have their names dragged through the mud so that people can continue their hobby.

[Fiver]

JUST CHECK OUT WHAT CLINT HILL SAYS AT 28.13 MIN IN . GAME OVER FOLKS , AND HE NEVER CHANGED HIS EYEWITHNESS ACCOUNT ..... EVER..., ''I WAS THERE ON THE DAY, IN THE LIMO''

Here's from Clint Hill's book.

"I jump from the follow-up car and run toward the presidential car. My actions are automatic, reactive. The only thought going through my head is that I must get on the back of the president’s car and form a protective shield behind President and Mrs. Kennedy. Nothing else matters.

The motorcycle engines are loud in my ears, and the car continues to move forward, away from me. I’m running as fast as I can, my eyes focused on the two people in the backseat of the car. I’m gaining ground, almost there, my arms reaching for the handhold, when another shot rings out.

The bullet hits its mark, piercing the back of President Kennedy’s head, just above and behind his right ear. In the same instant, a vile eruption of blood, brain matter, and bone fragments spews out, showering over Mrs. Kennedy, across the trunk, and onto me."

And this.

"The doctor points to a wound on the right rear of the head. This, he says, was the fatal wound. He lifts up a piece of the scalp, with skin and hair still attached, which reveals a hole in the skull, and an area in which a good portion of the brain matter is gone. I close my eyes for a moment, wincing, as the doctor keeps talking.

Difficult as it is, I try to focus on what he is saying. The fatal shot, he explains, entered the rear of the head and exited on the right, creating this flap of hair and skin. The impact of the bullet hitting the skull was so severe, it caused an eruption within that area of the brain, as the flap dislodged and was flung forward on the head.

Yes, that is exactly what happened. You don’t have to tell me. I saw the president’s head explode. His blood is still on my clothes."

[Fiver]

And Fishy, I see that your back to your usual tactic of dropping the word ‘insult’ into the conversation. To say that someone was mistaken isn’t an insult. So I’m only accusing Hill of being mistaken; you on the other hand are accusing many people of actually lying. So get off your invisible high horse and lose your fake outrage while all the time you are actually trying traduce so many people.

He isn't just accusing people of lying, he's accusing them of being part of a criminal conspiracy to commit murder. And yet claiming someone might be mistaken is an insult to their memory.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If someone fired from the Grassy Knoll then the bullet would have been travelling in the direction of the President’s left rear. So why were all of the bullet fragments found in the front of the limousine and not the rear? As the author John Canal said “I’ve heard of ‘frangible’ and ‘explosive’ bullets, but not ‘bouncing’ bullets.” We also know from the x-rays that the left hemisphere of Kennedy’s brain was intact.

So the conspiracy side have..

A vanishing bullet
A bouncing bullet
A vanishing gunman

Have I missed anything?

Oh yeah, Beverly Oliver, the time travelling witness (using a camera that wasn’t available for another 6 years.)
Oh yeah, Gordon Turner, the invisible to cameras witness.

[Herlock Sholmes]

So now that we know that CT’s super witness Dr. McClelland believed that a spray of blood concealed a rear head wound on the Zapruder film, we can see what passes for reason in conspiracy world where everything has to point in one direction even when it doesn’t. So what other offences to reason do we find? It’s a huge list of course but let’s confine ourselves to one aspect of the conspiracy miracle shall we.


How could a Grassy Knoll gunman have vanished into thin air?


A magic bullet is one thing but the CT’s have their very own magic gunman. We know that more than one person saw someone in the window of the sixth floor where the snipers nest was located but surely someone firing from behind a fence a few yards from witnesses couldn’t have gone unseen could they? Apparently so. We appear to be straying into the world of the supernatural here but that’s hardly surprising is it. If they can yell ‘fake’ at anything that doesn’t conform to their script then it’s only a short step to shouting ‘magic.’ I’m only surprised that we haven’t heard it already.

We will discount Virgil Hoffman and Jean Hill of course who, at the time said that they had seen no one but then remembered seeing a gunman 15-20 years later. Both of these are liars of course. Pure and simple. People looking for their 15 minutes of fame.


Lee Bowers was in the north tower 120 yards from the fence watching the motorcade pass by; looking directly at the fence. He saw no one with a rifle and certainly no one running away (as a gunman would have had to have done to be absent by the time that the first people arrived at the fence) It is physically impossible for a Grassy Knoll shooter to have got away with Bowers seeing. Therefore there can only be one explanation (apart from the killer having an invisibility cloak or the ability to dematerialise) There was no one there.

Immediately after the shots Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone ran behind the picket fence and into the railway yard. He saw nothing and no one. He even asked Bowers if he’d seen anyone and he said no. Boone also checked the recently turned flower beds for footprints…none.

Austin Miller was on the overpass. Just after the shots looked to see if anyone was running across the railroad tracks. There was no one.

SM Holland, who was also one the overpass (and who felt that the shots came from the Knoll btw) immediately after the shots ran to his left to see if he could see anyone near the picket fence or in the railway yard. He saw no one.

Deputy Sheriff WW “Bo” Mabra went to the area behind the picket fence immediately after the shots were fired to help with the search and saw no one. He spoke to a uniformed officer who had been stationed in the railway yard yards and who had the whole area in view and he’d seen no one.

Officer Joe Smith checked all of the car in the car park and found no one.

Sheriff Buddy Walther, who had been positioned in front of the Sheriff’s office) was asked if he’d thought of the picket fence area as a source for the shots? He said “No, it never entered my mind…Knowing how this thing is arranged, and I have chased a couple of escapees across the thing before, and knowing what was over there, the thought that anyone was shooting from there - I've heard some people say he was behind the fence, and I’m telling you, it just can’t be, because it’s a wide open…area as far as you can go…The thought that anyone would be shooting off of there would be almost an impossible thing. There’s no place for him to go. There’s nothing.”


Former Dallas sheriff Jim Bowles summed it up nicely: “Isn’t it strange that an assassin firing from a concealed position up on the sixth floor and inside a building was observed by several people, but the supposed second assassin, comparatively out in the open and in front of the action in the line of sight of many bystanders and photographers, was not seen before, during or after by a living soul?”


I wouldn’t call it ‘strange’ Jim. I’d call it downright impossible. It’s nice to occasionally feel the cool breeze of common sense and reason.

[GBinOz]

Try again herlock your not making sense. CLINT HILL , JACKIE KENNEDY , AND COUNLESS OTHERS, WHO BTW HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY WITNESSED THE MASSIVE HOLE IN THE BACK OF JFKS HEAD !!!!!!. STOP CALLING THEM LIARS BASED ON THE ZFILM THAT WAS REALESED TO THE PUBLIC 12 YEARS LATER !!!!!!! .YOUR DREAMOING MATE . SERIOUSLY , ITS ANY WONDER GEORGE LEFT . ITS LIKE BANGING YOUR HEAD UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL .

Great,now your saying all that skull , tissue and brain matter exploding out of jfks head all came out , but left his front face and head , and the back of his head in perfect condition as per the two fake autopsy photos ????? yer right . The humpty dumpty effect .

Hi Fishy,

I found a couple of videos that may be of interest to you. They debunk the "jet effect" and the "Neuromuscular reaction" theories.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-jfk-jet-effect-theory-debunked/4955953

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE0TvDJG7uk&ab_channel=%F0%9F%A6%8BClaire-Agathe%F0%9F%A6%8B

Sherry Fiester refers to something similar to the jet effect, but calls it back spatter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_VpUbJQuRc&rco=1&ab_channel=SouthKnollInvestigations

Of course the effect applies only to frangible projectiles, not full metal jacketed military rounds. Alvarez used frangible 30.06 projectiles hand loaded to 3000fps.

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

And while we’re at it perhaps it’s a good time to mention one of those Parkland doctors (Fishy’s infallible witnesses) Dr. McClelland.

On his admission note that he wrote on 4.45pm on the day of the assassination he wrote that Kennedy had died from a “gunshot wound of the left temple.”

So our star witness placed the wound on the wrong side of Kennedy’s head!

McClelland tried to wriggle out of it by saying that he wrote it because it was what Dr Jenkins had told him. Dr Jenkins naturally denied this. But we have to ask ourselves this - how could McClelland have had a strong and accurate opinion of Kennedy’s wounds if he was, according to his own words, willing to write down anything that someone else told him? And of course…no mention of a rear head wound.

And what happened when superstar conspiracy theorist Robert Groden wrote about it in his book? He doctored it…he changed left to right. And CT’s have the nerve to try taking the higher ground.


And finally, let’s remind ourselves how this star witness, beloved of the conspiracy crowd, tried to explain away the lack of a rear head wound…

“What the explanation for this is, I just don't know, but what I believe happened is that the spray of brain matter and blood was kind of like a bloodscreen, similar to a smokescreen, that precluded a clear view of the occipital area."

I’d ask everyone to read that more than once and let it sink in. These are the words of a Doctor. Supposedly an intelligent man. And this is one of the witnesses that Fishy would trust over film footage, photos and x-rays.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Try again herlock your not making sense. CLINT HILL , JACKIE KENNEDY , AND COUNLESS OTHERS, WHO BTW HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY WITNESSED THE MASSIVE HOLE IN THE BACK OF JFKS HEAD !!!!!!. STOP CALLING THEM LIARS BASED ON THE ZFILM THAT WAS REALESED TO THE PUBLIC 12 YEARS LATER !!!!!!! .YOUR DREAMOING MATE . SERIOUSLY , ITS ANY WONDER GEORGE LEFT . ITS LIKE BANGING YOUR HEAD UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL .




Great,now your saying all that skull , tissue and brain matter exploding out of jfks head all came out , but left his front face and head , and the back of his head in perfect condition as per the two fake autopsy photos ????? yer right . The humpty dumpty effect .

The back of the head was in tact. The Zapruder film proves this. Perhaps you could take the time to glance at a dictionary and note the difference between lying and error as you appear to be struggling with the concept Fishy. I have never called those witnesses liars and I challenge you to produce one post where I’ve called them liars. I have said that they were mistaken as the Zapruder film and the autopsy photos prove.

And while you are getting irate about me questioning the accuracy of witnesses perhaps you might take the time out from the weighty task of copying and pasting the entirety of Gil Jesus’ website to answer this question - why is it wrong for me to question the accuracy of witnesses when you are doing exactly the same thing? Is there one rule for you and one for me? You are questioning the accuracy of those 6 Parkland doctors who saw a wound at the side of Kennedy’s head. Also those Dealey Plaza witnesses like Abraham Zapruder and the Newman’s who saw a large wound at the side of Kennedy’s head and not at the back.

Its also noticeable that you have avoided answering yet another question which was - if you are going to put your confidence in the majority of eyewitnesses (who favoured a rear head wound) then why do you reject that principal in other circumstances? Why don’t you accept the majority who felt that the shots came from the direction of the TSBD? Why don’t you accept the majority who felt that there were only 3 shots? Or does the ‘favour the majority’ rule only apply when it suits you?

The problem of course is that you are simply cherrypicking witnesses that favour your point whilst dismissing those that don’t (whilst not even bothering to mention them). Fatally for your argument though is that those other witnesses are supported by the actual physical evidence. The Zapruder film, photographs and x-rays trump all eyewitnesses. Every single one, every single time. This is just how it is but you are trying to reverse normal investigative practices to further your own agenda. Typical CT really.

[Herlock Sholmes]

173 of 929 pages of actual evidence 756 to go . AS REQUESTED OF COURSE

No one requested it. Except you and Gil.

[FISHY1118]

How many times do you want me to explain this Fishy. The wounds to Kennedy’s head were on the side. You can see this on the Zapruder film if you look at it with your eyes open and with the conspiracy goggles on. That is cast iron, irrefutable proof that there was no large wound in the back of the head as claimed by those fallible human witnesses. Movie footage isn’t fallible.

The Zapruder film proves the witnesses wrong. It’s black and white. Ask a police officer Fishy “what would you give priority to - witness testimony or film footage.”

Try again herlock your not making sense. CLINT HILL , JACKIE KENNEDY , AND COUNLESS OTHERS, WHO BTW HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY WITNESSED THE MASSIVE HOLE IN THE BACK OF JFKS HEAD !!!!!!. STOP CALLING THEM LIARS BASED ON THE ZFILM THAT WAS REALESED TO THE PUBLIC 12 YEARS LATER !!!!!!! .YOUR DREAMOING MATE . SERIOUSLY , ITS ANY WONDER GEORGE LEFT . ITS LIKE BANGING YOUR HEAD UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL .




Great,now your saying all that skull , tissue and brain matter exploding out of jfks head all came out , but left his front face and head , and the back of his head in perfect condition as per the two fake autopsy photos ????? yer right . The humpty dumpty effect .

[Herlock Sholmes]

And where did Abraham Zapruder himself say that the wound was….oh yeah.

This is the only Dealey Plaza witness that we know with a 100% certainly was focused solely on Kennedy’s head because the film tells us what he was looking at. Other witness might have been looking at Jackie or at something else for that split second then they had to look again. By then Kennedy’s head had moved and they see a bloodied mass which looked like it was at the rear of his head due to the head position.

No Zapruder though. Focused 100% on the head and saw the side of the head wound. Zapruder is the most reliable witness in Dealey Plaza.

[FISHY1118]

If every single witness that conspiracy theorists say “why weren’t they called” had actually been called the Warren Commission report would have been published last week!

Just the ones at the time Herlock , keep it real buddy . The warren commission lied about, and covered up the truth.

[Herlock Sholmes]

VIDEO: Witnesses who were ignored by the Warren Commission and why .


What was the Warren commision conspiracy afraid of ??? Thats right THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!


A video compilation of the witnesses and what they had to say:

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/the-witnesses.mp4

If every single witness that conspiracy theorists say “why weren’t they called” had actually been called the Warren Commission report would have been published last week!