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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

    #2638 post on the topic and you've managed to learn nothing .

    What is post# 2638 supposed to teach me Fishy? It’s simply your take on things which involves your consistent refusal to answer specific questions by your usual tactic of claiming that they have been answered when they haven’t.


    Not surprised really after that poor taste post of yours #2635

    A senseless insulting mock and dig at others for their opinions which they've backed up with countless and abundance of evidence on a serious topic, and all you've done is come back from your extended well earn break no doubt with more of the same nonsense that got you booted in the first place. Shameful.

    I see that you are continuing with the same old victim tactic that you and George were so consistent with previously Fishy in your “well we can’t answer the questions so let’s repeatedly attempt to get Herlock removed from the thread” tactic whilst you, George and Cobalt continued to do exactly what you accuse me of doing. You’ve also, more than once, mentioned my ‘absence’ when you know that I can’t and won’t discuss it. Its a standard way of avoiding questions that you and others have no (and never had) any meaningful responses to and it’s pretty much rendered this thread redundant. I didn’t write that piece, it is a comic strip in a humorous magazine read by millions. People with a sense of humour would accept this and not fall into ‘poor little me’ mode.

    I’ll make you happy though Fishy as I think that I’ve about had enough of wasting time on this thread (btw it’s noticeable how virtually no one posted whilst I was away but now I’m back it’s ‘hey presto’ and here they are. Did they lose interest in the subject over the last couple of months or was it because they didn’t have me to have their little digs at?


    It really is impossible to discuss this subject sensibly and I’m sorry to say that here, as is the general rule, it’s the fault of those that are obsessed with conspiracy. Sadly there’s more than an element of truth to that cartoon strip as anyone who has read Garrison will understand.


    I wonder how ripper discussions would fare if they went like this - q. “what about the memorandum?” a. “forgery.” q. “what about Cadosch’s inquest testimony?” a. “faked.” q. how did the killer avoid police beats?” a. “what if he was psychic?” q. “what about Long seeing a woman that she said was Chapman?” a. “a planted imposter to confuse the police.”


    These are the kinds of arguments and the standard of response that we have to put up with in this case. If it doesn’t fit a version of events scream ‘fake!’ or ‘forgery!’ It’s more than a little embarrassing and has infected the subject virtually from November 22nd 1963. And conspiracy theorists wonder why they get mocked world wide. The reason why the majority go for conspiracy is twofold. First, the majority of people just aren’t interested enough to examine the case properly and with reason, and second, conspiracy makes people feel cleverer. That they know something that mere mortals don’t. It’s a desperately sad state of affairs. Look at Trump, look anywhere in the world and read about the mad theories that abound that people swallow hook, line and sinker. We now even have to have books by serious people instructing people on how to cope with conspiracy theories with logic and reason. More people should read them.



    There hasn’t been a single response to my properly researched post which debunks PI’s silly claim that Oswald couldn’t have killed Tippit within the time frame (as the police radio logs and other facts prove). Not a single comment on my properly researched debunking of the silly ‘wallet’ theory post or the even sillier Darryl Click post or the barking mad Roscoe White story that even the majority of other conspiracy theorists reject. Not one response on my rebuttal of George’s rather strange suggestion that shots could have come from the overpass when there were 11 men on there who saw and heard nothing (they were probably all CIA plants of course) No response from George on my proof that other people mention their being railway carriages in the area behind the picket fence. Something that he’s continually mocked as an avoidance tactic. No proper response from PI on the Parkland doctors where he claimed that they all backed up a shot from the front when they clearly didn’t (his tactic was to focus on one Doctor who altered his opinion in the light of new information.) And when a non-conspiracy witness changes his mind just after the event it’s a lie of course but when CT witnesses suddenly ‘remember’ something years later (or after speaking to Mark Lane) it’s perfectly fine! And never a comment on the long list of witness that CT’s rely who have been conclusively proven as liars. Too many to name here.

    No meaningful response on why a group of high level conspirators would completely ignore a childishly obvious plan with almost no chance of failure and that would have left no trail of evidence in favour of the most complex plot in the history of the world involving hundreds of people and requiring fakes and forgeries, lookalikes that look nothing like the person that they’re supposed to look like, hundreds of corrupt officials, corrupt autopsies (whilst taking no precautions at all at Parkland of course) and a massive corrupt investigation with not one single, believable person letting anything slip or spilling the beans. Then there’s the sickening lie that Ruby wanted to speak about being part of a conspiracy when every single word printed by Ruby, without fail, proves the exact opposite….that he was desperate to prove that he wasn’t a part of a Jewish conspiracy. No sensible person would countenance this for a single second but we get excuse after excuse after excuse to justify this insanity. Not to mention of course the obvious question why they would place a gunman at the stupidest, easiest to discover location imaginable (the Knoll- which was directly in front of a Police car park would you believe) Not to mention their own magic bullet(s) which not only turn corners but vanish into thin air!

    Then there was the release of documents which would undoubtedly prove conspiracy……..none found as we speak.


    The alleged JFK ‘conspiracy’ is like a silly story written by a child which adults have looked at and tried to legitimise and then exaggerate with invented evidence and preposterous, unbelievable ideas. We can’t progress though. People are too deeply invested and ingrained in this silliness. The truth is obscured by an ever growing forest of more and more frantic imaginings,silliness and distortions. Its a case where proven liars like Mark Lane, Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone are raised close to sainthood by conspiracy enthusiasts and liars like Roger Craig and Beverly Oliver are trundled out as if they are Einstein at a physics conference. Just look at the bookshelves…look at the titles. Book after book of increasingly bizarre tosh. Unmitigated drivel.


    Carry on….you’re welcome to it. You can be happy that you no longer have to make excuses for not answering the important questions. You can manipulate evidence, re-invent science and reconstruct logic, reason and common sense with contentment. It will make you feel good at least. Perhaps you can now look into the Loch Ness monster/alien angle.
    Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 07-01-2023, 11:06 AM.

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  • FISHY1118
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    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

    Hi Fishy,

    Hope you enjoy the videos. Keep in mind that the WC's brief was to convince the American public that the assassination was the work of a lone nut, and to suppress all evidence that contradicted that notion. Quite a task, and they succeeded with only 25% of the population.

    This is a another video that I enjoy, but it's 2 1/2 hours long:

    Description#JFK #PRESIDENT #KENNEDY #ASSASSINATED #ASSASSINATION The Wizard of Oswald: JFK Assassination Documentary (2013)


    Good for filling the lunch and tea breaks in the Ashes.

    Cheers, George
    Exacly that George , Lets not for get either that it was LBJ instructions that a lone gunman be the ''Only'' outcome of the findings.

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  • GBinOz
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    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
    Hi George, Welcome back to this topic, i look forward to watching these videos later on tonight .Im sure they will be of much interest and no doubt show an abundance of evidence thats contradicts the Warren Commission .......Againnnnn
    Hi Fishy,

    Hope you enjoy the videos. Keep in mind that the WC's brief was to convince the American public that the assassination was the work of a lone nut, and to suppress all evidence that contradicted that notion. Quite a task, and they succeeded with only 25% of the population.

    This is a another video that I enjoy, but it's 2 1/2 hours long:

    Description#JFK #PRESIDENT #KENNEDY #ASSASSINATED #ASSASSINATION The Wizard of Oswald: JFK Assassination Documentary (2013)


    Good for filling the lunch and tea breaks in the Ashes.

    Cheers, George

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  • FISHY1118
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    Hi George, Welcome back to this topic, i look forward to watching these videos later on tonight .Im sure they will be of much interest and no doubt show an abundance of evidence thats contradicts the Warren Commission .......Againnnnn

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  • GBinOz
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    Hi Fishy, and other fellow conspiracy nuts,

    There is some interesting conjecture on the throat shot here:

    Gil Jesus' examination of Zapruder Frames 225-237 and his conclusion that Kennedy's actions together with the physical evidence indicate that a bullet entere...


    On the theme that the throat shot came from the front, through the windscreen, from the vicinity of the south knoll, there is some interesting facts on the "pickup man" in the Cancellare photo who fails to be seen in the Zapruder film, starting at about the 25 min mark:

    Even this film has noticeable cuts and bruises. Our adversary will never stop diligently laboring to prevent us from learning the truth.Watching the tremendo...


    Some more on the Cancellare film here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXwObEPcuRk&ab_channel=TheJFKAssassination Audit


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    Question to be answered: For what reason would anyone take the trouble to edit the pickup man out of the ZP?

    Finally, this video is a bit longer but is chock full of interesting information:

    To follow Bart Kamp's JFK Assassination channel please go to https://www.youtube.com/@lonegunman8158To purchase his book from Amazon go to:https://www.amazon...


    Cheers, George
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  • FISHY1118
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Nothing was faked and conspiracy theorists know it well. They’re just too committed to admit that they’ve been duped by obsessive a. No one in 60 years has ever produced a single piece of evidence of forgery. Not one. Conspiracy theorists simply fall back on “it doesn’t fit with my version of events so it must be a forgery.” It’s all a bit sad.

    Case solved in 1963. It was utterly, physically impossible for Oswald to have been guilty. The case has been kept alive by crooks like Garrison, Lane and Stone.
    #2638 post on the topic and you've managed to learn nothing .

    Not surprised really after that poor taste post of yours #2635

    A senseless insulting mock and dig at others for their opinions which they've backed up with countless and abundance of evidence on a serious topic, and all you've done is come back from your extended well earn break no doubt with more of the same nonsense that got you booted in the first place. Shameful.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Nothing was faked and conspiracy theorists know it well. They’re just too committed to admit that they’ve been duped by obsessive a. No one in 60 years has ever produced a single piece of evidence of forgery. Not one. Conspiracy theorists simply fall back on “it doesn’t fit with my version of events so it must be a forgery.” It’s all a bit sad.

    Case solved in 1963. It was utterly, physically impossible for Oswald to have been guilty. The case has been kept alive by crooks like Garrison, Lane and Stone.

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  • FISHY1118
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Not interested in obfuscation or excuses to dodge answering Fishy. I’ve answered way, way more questions on this thread than those supporting conspiracy (and so has Fiver) and it’s not even close. The questions I raised about the mythical throat shot from the front hasn’t ever been answered on here. It’s been studiously avoided.
    Just as George ,cobalt P.I and myself and others have asked many yet still unanswered questions .

    Fake autopsy photos of the back of jfk head , fake Zapruder film , pristine bullet pics ( George covered that one over and over and over but was never shown any answers or explanation as to how that evidence could be explained) .

    The list is to many to go through again , and I for one am surely no doing that with you .

    The WC findings were rubbish . That has been clearly shown on this thread .

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  • FISHY1118
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    Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post
    Now that is sarcasm!
    No its sad really.
    Last edited by FISHY1118; 06-30-2023, 09:59 PM.

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  • Al Bundy's Eyes
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    Now that is sarcasm!

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Grassy Knollington: Conspiracy Theorist



    Grassy's friend: Hey, look Grassy! An Ice-cream van's just pulled up. Do you fancy a Ninety-nine?**

    Grassy: Eh?! A Ninety-nine? Nine times eleven is Ninety-nine! Don't you see?! Nine-eleven!! The attack cooked up by George Bush and his pal Bin Laden to spark revolution in the Middle East ... Hmm ... Nine ...? Revolution? Sounds familiar?

    Grassy's friend: Not really, no.

    Grassy: You bet! Try this for size - "Revolution Number Nine" on the Beatles' White Album lasts 8 minutes 15 seconds exactly ... that's 495 seconds ... or 99 times 5! Ninety-nine - like the ice cream ... and five - the number of victims of the so-called Whitechapel Killer...

    Grassy's friend: Who?

    Grassy: Jack the Ripper! Nickname of the Royal murderer and arch Freemason Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, whose first victim was discovered in 1888 ... on August 31st! Fast forward to August 31st 1997 ... Lady Diana is killed when her Mercedes - driven by double agent Henri Paul - hits Pillar Thirteen in the Pont d'Alma Tunnel in Paris. Henri Paul? Sounds familiar? Get this! Actor Paul Henry plays an actor called Benny in the 70s soap Crossroads***!

    Grassy's friend: Benny ...?

    Grassy: Benny looks after Miss Diane - Lady Diana! Geddit? Not only that - but surprise surprise! Paul McCartney records the theme tune to Crossroads on his 1975 album Venus and Mars ...

    Grassy's friend: Paul McCartney?

    Grassy: Yes! The self-same McCartney who sang "Revolution Number Nine" on the White Album! White!! Like ice-cream, George Bush's White House, the Whitechapel Murders and the Fiat Uno that forced Henri Paul's Mercedes off the road! Track nine on the White Album is "Martha My Dear"! ... Hello?! Cut to Martha's Vineyard, USA ... Ted Kennedy crashes his car into the water at Chappaquiddick on July 18th 1969 ... the exact same day that Paul McCartney - Yes! Him again! produces the Mary Hopkins single "Pebble and the Man", catalogue number Apple CT1!

    Grassy's friend: You've lost me there, Grassy ...

    Grassy: Apple CT1 was released as a promotion for Wall's Ice Cream! The same ice-cream that's in a Ninety-nine!

    Grassy's friend: So ...?

    Grassy: Exactly! "Ice cream" is an anagram of "ace crime", like 911, the Whitechapel murders and the assassination of Lady Di in her Mercedes. Mercedes have hosted business seminars at the NEC International Conference Centre**** in Birmingham (where Crossroads was made) ... as have ... get ready for this ... Cadbury's!! Cadbury's who make the chocolate flakes for 99s!!! Coincidence!? I don't think so! Let's look at the evidence ... The Queen (who later knighted Paul McCartney for so-called services to music) opened the NEC Conference Centre on June 12th 1991! That date ring any bells? It should do - because George Bush Sr (former US president and long-time business associate of the Bin Laden family) had a birthday on June 12th 1991!

    Grassy's friend: Grassy ...

    Grassy: 1991! It's an anagram of 99 and 11, don't you see? 99 divided by 11 is Nine! Nine-Eleven!!/ And what's more, 1991 was George Bush's 67th birthday!

    Grassy's friend: ... Erm ...

    Grassy: That's what they what you to think, but just look at the figures! 67! 6 and 7! Six plus seven is 13 ... Thirteen!!! The number of letters in "Osama Bin Laden", "Paul McCartney", "The White Album" and "Wall's Ice Cream"!!! 13 is also the number of the pillar in the Pont d'Alma tunnel that Lady Di's car crashed into!!!

    Grassy's friend: So do you fancy a Ninety-Nine or not, then?

    Grassy: No thanks! That cone is merely the tip of a huge sinister global conspiracy that goes all the way to the top! {To ice cream vendor} Have you got any lollies left Mister?

    Ice Cream vendor: Let me see now ... Well, we've got plenty of orange Zapruders, a few Mint Choc Chip Jack Rubys, and I think there's one or two Bohemian Grove Black Helicopters in the Freezer ... or what about a shape-shifting Illuminati Lizard with hundreds and thousands?



    I couldn’t resist a bit of Viz but I have to say that I’ve heard Jim Garrison come up with less believable stuff than the above.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Not interested in obfuscation or excuses to dodge answering Fishy. I’ve answered way, way more questions on this thread than those supporting conspiracy (and so has Fiver) and it’s not even close. The questions I raised about the mythical throat shot from the front hasn’t ever been answered on here. It’s been studiously avoided.

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  • FISHY1118
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    All this and much has been discussed at length previously Herlock.

    Theres no need to go back over old ground when the same arguement could be used against WC theory supporters ,where much of the contradictory evidence to the Warren Commission findings was never responded to or adequately answered sensibly .

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Isn’t it strange? On one hand we have Dr. Perry, who was trying to save Kennedy’s life and not performing a wound analysis, who changes his opinion on reflection and after evaluating the full evidence. Naturally when CT’s see this they shout ‘coercion’ and ‘cover-up,’ but when Roger Craig suddenly ‘remembers’ seeing the word ‘Mauser’ on the rifle a full ELEVEN years later and without ever mentioning this revelation before, CT’s have absolutely no issue about believing him and using him as evidence. When Weitzman admits to an error he’s accused of being a liar. Beverly Oliver remembers stuff years later and it’s fine. Why is that acceptable?

    Why is it that it’s acceptable that Lee Bowers suddenly remembers seeing a flash only after a friendly chat with Mark Lane? Why are CT’s in complete denial of the utterly disgraceful way (available to read and listen to) that Lane badgered the poorly educated Helen Markham to alter her testimony…something that many CT’s have even had to admit was appalling?

    The case is rife with pro-conspiracy witnesses suddenly ‘remembering’ stuff years later which CT’s swallow hook, line and sinker. But when a Doctor changes his opinion it’s assumed as evidence of conspiracy? What about Carrico and Jenkins who said ‘exit wound,’ what about Baxter who wasn’t sure? Again, these Doctors were solely focused on trying to save Kennedy’s life… they weren’t analysing the wound closely.

    ​​​​​​…..

    All over the case CT’s love to produce a diagram or two showing how they have solved something that proper experts haven’t but there’s glaring omission. Why is there never a diagram tracking the bullet that supposedly cause the throat ‘entry’ wound. It’s because they realise of course that this was physically impossible. How could a bullet fired from the front right of Kennedy (on the Knoll by a gunman that no one ever saw) have exited where it did? And we’re not talking about how high or low the wound was either. I’m asking why wasn’t the ‘exit’ wound on the left side of Kennedy’s body? Now, if CT’s are consistent (which they usually are when it comes to being wrong) they’ll suggest some kind of airbrushing of photographs but I’m no longer willing to waste words on such proven silliness. So where is the left side exit wound? Or do CT’s have their own magic bullet? One that entered Kennedy’s throat and turned to the left before disappearing into thin air?

    Furthermore, if the bullet hit from the front right surely Kennedy should have been thrown to the left toward Jackie? That’s what suggested about the effect of the head wound or did the laws of physic change from bullet to bullet?

    And finally, if the bullet didn’t come from the Knoll (and it clearly didn’t) where did it come from? George has suggested the overpass but the eleven people that were on there failed to notice a man firing a rifle just like no one noticed our ‘man’ on the Knoll? Where there drones in 1963?

    These questions never got a response when I’ve posted it before and I assume that they won’t get one now and certainly not a sensible one. Kennedy’s throat wound was an exit wound. It couldn’t have come from anywhere else.
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  • FISHY1118
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    Very interesting - which is why I had to post it.

    I had read before that the doctors were pressured into keeping their mouths shut but I don't think I had ever seen such a clear exposé of how the WC counsel got a doctor to appear to change his opinion.

    Of course, the WC counsel played plenty of games, like prompting Mrs Markham when she testified and was providing unhelpful testimony.

    Evidence was manipulated, distorted and suppressed on a grand scale, culminating in the Warren Commission Report, a document containing lies from beginning to end.

    There was even a monumental lie in its preamble - the claim that the Report's findings did not depend on the Single Bullet Theory, when without it - as everyone knows - the Report's conclusions would collapse.

    Why else would we having such arguments with defenders of the WC Report about the SBT?

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