JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[cobalt]

'The GLOCO station was nowhere near Tippit's normal patrol route. Yet supposedly, the GLOCO employees not only recognized Tippit, they knew his name.'

There is a considerable amount of witness testimony which supports Tippit very often being outside outside his patrol route. When this was brought to the attention of a supervisor after Tippit's murder, the explanation given was that Tippit 'liked to drive around a lot.' Which rather defeats the point of having established patrol routes in the first place.

I can see no reason why the GLOCO employees would claim to recognise a man they did not know. Inventing a lie about a police car being in their forecourt seems pointless as well, which is exactly what other witnesses decided to do as well? And we know there was only one police car in the area at that time, the one being driven by Tippit.

'At 12;45 Tippit was at Kiest and Bonnie View, miles away from the GLOCO station. There is no reason to doubt that.'

There obviously is, in respect of witnesses who stated they saw him at the GLOCO station at that time. Until witness statements emerge (and they would have to be from people who actually knew Tippit) which confirm Tippit being at Kiest and Bonnie at 12.45, then the evidence points to Tippit lying about his actual position when he was sitting outside the GLOCO station.

Persons who never saw Oswald before in their life are regarded as sound witnesses in respect of the Tippit shooting, despite the obvious fear and confusion which must have existed. Yet witnesses who knew Tippit and were merely observing him while going about their everyday activities are deemed dishonest or unreliable.

[Fiver]

It does seem that Tippit was looking for somebody. The GLOCO sightings are very reliable since they were made by people who knew him, at a time when Tippit was misreporting his location.

The GLOCO sighting is highly suspect.

The GLOCO station was nowhere near where Tippit lived. The GLOCO station was nowhere near Tippit's normal patrol route. Yet supposedly, the GLOCO employees not only recognized Tippit, they knew his name.

Shortly after JFK was shot, Al Volkland was on the median of the Stemmons Freeway, taking a picture of the Presidential lino speeding to Parkland Hospital. Volkland was a professional photographer with his own studio, Accident Photo Services. According to the supposed sighting, he doesn't drive to his studio to develop the picture. He doesn't go to Parkland to get more pictures. He doesn't go to the nearest gas station. His route to the GLOCO station requires Volkland to drive past or through Dealey plaza without stopping to take more pictures. Once he gets to the GLOCO station, rather than talk to Tippit, a supposed friend, about the photo Volkland just took of the limo or about the assassination, Volkland just sits and watches Tippet for 10 minutes.

At 12;45 Tippit was at Kiest and Bonnie View, miles away from the GLOCO station. There is no reason to doubt that.

I would tend to accept the Top Ten Record sightings as well, which are relevant in so far as Tippit did not wish to use his police radio since he wanted to use their phone.

The Top Ten Records sighting is also highly suspect. They claim that Tippit would occasionally use their phone while on duty, but the record store was miles way from Tippit's patrol area.

They also said 10 minutes after Tippet was in the store, they heard on the radio that Tippit had been shot. But the Tippit murder wasn't announced on the radio until 1:26 PM

Again from witness testimony, there is no indication that Tippit saw any threat from his first encounter with the pedestrian. This clearly changed at some point. For me it resembles the Skripal poisoning in the UK: a rendez-vous or a pre-arranged handover of materials that goes wrong and has to be covered up, except we don't know which side the victim was actually on.

How could it possibly be pre-arranged? Tippit had been re-assigned well outside his regular patrol area and there were no cell phones.

[FISHY1118]

[GBinOz]

There is a very interesting discussion here on the backyard photos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKhM...l=firstlightvideo

Of particular interest are the finding of the WC expert Lyndal L Shaneyfelt. He concluded that the photos were taken by the camera said to belong to Oswald, but added that "he could not positively identify the rifle in the photos as the same rifle held by the FBI as the assassination weapon".

Here is the advertisement for the weapon Oswald allegedly ordered:


Note the sling rings:



Note that the sling rings in the photos are in the same position:





Here is the alleged murder weapon with the sling rings on the side of the stock:



Possible conclusions?

1. The photos are genuine and Oswald is holding the rifle that he ordered, with the sling rings underneath the stock, not on the side of the stock as shown on the murder weapon.

2. The photos were composites using the rifle that was ordered under the name of A Hidell and sent to Oswald's P.O. Box, with the sling rings underneath the stock, not on the side of the stock as shown on the murder weapon.

Either way, the rifle shown in these photos is not the alleged murder weapon.

Oswald's application for the P.O. Box shows that he was the only one authorised to collect goods from that Box.


Any goods sent to that Box to a different person would have been returned marked "Return to Sender".


However, Hoover had knowledge of this P.O. Box and attributed the pickup of the rifle to a woman named A Hidell.



This affidavit appears to be addressing the fibres allegedly found. It is not easy to decipher but it appears to conclude that there was no match, contrary to what the WC claimed.

AFFIDAVIT OF PAUL MORGAN STOMBAUGH
The following affidavit was executed by Paul Morgan Stombaugh on September 4, 1964.
PRESIDENT’S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF AFFIDAVIT
PRDSIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
DIBTRICT OF COLUMBIA, 88:
Paul Morgan Stombaugh, being duly sworn, deposes and says:
1. This affidavit is made at the request of the President’s Commission on the
Assassination of President Kennedy, for the purpose of supplementing the
testimony I gave before the Commission concerning certain hairs and fibers
I examined.
2. The principal characteristics of cotton fibers used for comparison purport%
are color and shade; and degree of twist. Of these, color and shade are by far
the most significant. The principal characteristics of viscose used for comparison purposes are color and shade, diameter, and size and distribution of
delusterlng agent.
3. The orangeyellow and grey-black cotton fibers in the shirt, Commission
Exhibit 150, were respectively of uniform shades; the dark blue cotton fibers in
the shirt were of three different shades. All the fibers in the shirt were mercerized, and of a substantially uniform twist.
4. The green cotton fibers found in the paper bag, Commission Exhibit 142,
varied in shade, but were of a uniform twist. The brown viscose fibers in the
blanket, Commission Exhibit 140, varied in diameter, shade, size, and distribution
of delustering agent.
5. Stombaugh Exhibits l-6 consist of the following items :
(a) Stombaugh Exhibit 1 consists of the hairs I found on the blanket, Commission Exhibit 140.
(b) Stombaugh Exhibit 2 consists of the known sample of Lee Harvey Oswald’s
hairs sent to me by the Dallas Office of the FBI.
(c) Stombaugh Exhibit 3 consists of the fibers I found in the paper bag,
Commission Exhibit 142.
(d) Stombaugh Exhibit 4 consists of a sample of fibers from the blanket,
Commission Exhibit 140.
(e) Stombaugh Exhibit 5 consists of the fibers I found on the rifle, Commission
Exhibit 139.
(f) Stombaugh Exhibit 6 consists of a sample of fibers from the shirt, Commission Exhibit 150.
Signed this 4th day of September, 1964.
(S) Paul Morgan Stombaugh,

[cobalt]

I think we have to assess the likelihood of the wallet captured on TV actually belonging to Officer Tippit.

I would place the likelihood of that as extremely low indeed. Since the patrol car's number and an ID badge identified Tippit as the driver, the wallet was of limited evidential value.

Therefore the wallet, which was clearly of interest to the first officers on the scene, belonged to someone else.

[GBinOz]

The WC did not claim that Oswald's wallet was found at the site of Tippet's murder. The police were filmed examining a wallet, which was believed to be JD Tippit's.

You're correct, the WC made no mention of the wallet, and later the DPD denied its existence. However, Capt Westbrook of the DPD examined the contents of the wallet, and found two IDs, and asked FBI Special Agent Bob Barrett if he had heard of Lee Harvey Oswald or Alex Hidell. Barrett replied no. If the wallet was found on Tippit, as you claim, this makes it even more interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTPHcsG-N8&ab_channel=Curiousitive%21

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The idea of Tippit and his killer arranging to meet makes no sense.

Central Oak Park was miles away from Tippit's normal patrol area. He wasn't redirected to central Oak Park until 12:45pm. And there were no cell phones.

According to the Warren Commission Report, there were no indications that Tippit and his murderer knew each other.

That is not true.

According to the Warren Commission's star witness, Helen Markham, the man leaned on the open near window of Tippit's car and he and Tippit seemed to have a friendly conversation.

She said Tippit did not seem angry but seemed calm.

Does that seem like the behaviour of two people who did not know each other?

Would Tippit have looked calm if he thought that the assassin of President Kennedy had just rested his arms on the open window of his police car?

Would the assassin of President Kennedy have deliberately got that close to a policeman if he sensed that he suspected him of having committed the assassination?

And by the way, immediately after giving that evidence, Markham stated that Oswald did not resemble Tippit's killer, and that she had never seen him before he appeared in the line-up.

[Fiver]

If Tippit and his killer had arranged to meet....

The idea of Tippit and his killer arranging to meet makes no sense.

Central Oak Park was miles away from Tippit's normal patrol area. He wasn't redirected to central Oak Park until 12:45pm. And there were no cell phones.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

He went on to his room and stayed about 3 or 4 minutes.

(Warren Commission, Earlene Roberts' testimony, Volume VI, page 438)


Now, it must have been around 1 o’clock, or maybe a little after

(Warren Commission, Earlene Roberts' testimony, Volume VI, page 440)


Her testimony is consistent with Oswald's being at the bus stop at about 1.05 p.m.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

It makes more sense than Butch Burroughs claiming Oswald entered the Texas Theater before he left Roberts' rooming house. Perhaps Oswald hitched a ride on a passing blue police box?

As to what Oswald was doing, we can never know. The bus transfer he had in his pocket was good to 1:15. If he could make it to the right transfer point, Oswald could have taken a Greyhound bus to Waco, Austin, or San Antonio.

I don't know what you mean by hitching a ride in a police box.

You appear to be unable to explain how Oswald could have arrived at the scene of Tippit's shooting in time to shoot him.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

So you believe Oswald was part of a Conspiracy to kill JFK?

Since we do not know what Oswald was told his role was to be on 22 November 1963, we cannot rule out the possibility that he thought he was part of a conspiracy.

The question is: why do you?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Earlene Roberts said that:
* Oswald arrived at approximately 1pm.
* Oswald left a few minutes later.
* About a half-hour after that three police officers arrived.

But the police didn't arrive at 1:30, they arrived at around 3pm.

So Mrs Roberts was obviously rather bad at estimating time.

Are you saying that Earlene Roberts' estimate of the time at which she was watching a television report about the shooting of President Kennedy and she noticed Oswald arriving being 1 p.m. could be wrong?

Are you saying that by the time that Oswald had gone to his room, put on a jacket, left the room, left the house, gone to the bus stop, and Mrs Roberts seen him through the window, it could have been much short of 1.05 p.m.?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

That's your interpretation of Benavides' testimony, with a five minute gap between the shooting and Benavides trying to use Tippet's police radio. That seems too long to me, but the big problem is humans aren't very good at time estimates. We get even worse at time estimations related to traumatic events, like seeing someone shot. The phenomenon is called Tachypsychia.

This is not just my interpretation nor about Tachypsychia.

I did not estimate a five minute gap between the shooting and Benavides trying to use Tippet's police radio.

I estimated that from the time of the shooting to the time at which it was first reported was so long that that the shooting could not have taken place later than 1:12.

Benavides related how he took cover, waited until the killer - who according to witnesses remained at or near the scene of the shooting for some time - had disappeared from view, then waited a few more minutes before going to take a close look at Tippit, then tried to report the shooting.

It was only after that that someone else arrived on the scene and reported the shooting.

That was at 1:17:41.

It is inconceivable that the shooting could have taken place later than 1.12 (= 1:12:00 - 1:12:59).

The shooting could not have happened when the Warren Commission Report claims it happened.

[Fiver]

I have never placed much trust in the melodramatic arrest account in the cinema as relayed by the DPD.

That account was supported by members of the press and the public who were present at the arrest.

More likely to me is Oswald meeting a contact at a pre-arranged place but fearing he might be double crossed at the meeting.

So you believe Oswald was part of a Conspiracy to kill JFK?

[Fiver]

Four shots were fired into Tippit. Bullets recovered were 3 Winchester and 1 Remington. The original radio call-in identified the casings as 38 Auto, later to become just 38, 2 Winchester and 2 Remington. Also found was a wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. So according to the WC, Oswald had shot Tippit with 4 shots from a revolver, opened the cylinder and picked out the expended casings and thrown them on the ground, and then took out his wallet and threw that on the ground as well. Very accommodating of him to be sure.

The WC did not claim that Oswald's wallet was found at the site of Tippet's murder. The police were filmed examining a wallet, which was believed to be JD Tippit's.

He then allegedly took himself off to the Texas Theatre where he was arrested, after all the audience had been removed from the theatre, and allegedly drew a fully loaded revolver.

No one was removed from the Texas Theater before Oswald's arrest.

Also found upon him was was a another wallet containing credit cards and a driver's licence in Oswald's name, and an ID for A Hidell. Doesn't everyone carry two wallets with forged driver's licences and ID for aliases? After all, you never know if you may need to throw down one of them after you have just shot someone.

Oswald's wallet did not contain credit cards or a drivers license.