Packer and Schwartz

[lynn cates]

alles gute

Hello Jeff. Thanks.

Well, good luck with it.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

research

Hello Karsten. Thanks for the kind words.

Delighted to hear that. My theory is that:

1. Mac, just after obtaining his post, was investigating the recent ripper killings.

2. He got the tale from the HO or FO.

3. It involved two Jews--one Polish. (Wirtkofsky)

4. Lowenheim said he could identify Wirtkofsky.

5. They had met at a "Home."

6. Wirtkofsky (as we know) claimed he hated prostitutes and would kill all of them.

7. Somehow, the name became mixed with Kosminski.

8. Mac brought him forward in his memorandum, only to dismiss.

9. Anderson ran with it. Likewise, Swanson.

I have been seeking the resolution of the story. So far, no success. Perhaps there is some record of what happened to Wirtkofsky at the HO or FO?

Good luck searching.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

180

Hello Jeff.

"BSM grabs Strides Scarf and pulls her into the yard twisting her slightly as she slides over the slats. In the same movement he takes the knife from his pocket with his free hand and slits her throat."

But should her body not be 180 degrees turned about?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

simple

Hello John.

"I agree, we should focus on the evidence rather than simply ignoring or attempting to 're-write it, I.e. because it doesn't accord with her own pet theory. Evidence: Schwartz refers to Stride being thrown onto the footway. Conclusion: Stride instinctively throws out her arms and spreads her fingers to break the fall, thus dropping and spilling the cachous.

Now, if Stride was grabbed from behind, I.e. by PC Smith's suspect, and brought to the ground, there would be no fall to break-because her assailant would be supporting her. In fact, she might even have had her throat cut before being brought to the ground, thereby rendered unconscious.

Simple really!"

Yes, VERY simple.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

On the trail.

Hello Abby.

"she has her throat cut during the initial struggle Schwartz witnesses and stumbles toward help-voices coming from the yard, but expires in the yard."

Then why no trail of blood?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

despair

Hello CD.

"Schwartz does not describe a murder, he simply states that he saw a woman being thrown to the ground. That's it."

Precisely.

(And I can sympathise with your frustration. I nearly despair that we still have the body direction wrong and rot about being dragged.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Blackwell

Hello Jon.

"Yes, and reads very much like what Dr Blackwell suggested:

"I formed the opinion that the murderer probably caught hold of the silk scarf, which was tight and knotted, and pulled the deceased backwards, cutting her throat in that way. The throat might have been cut as she was falling, or when she was on the ground.""

yes. Yes! YES!!

This is just as my video indicates. The whole idea came from Blackwell.

Cheers.
LC

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Jeff
Thanks. I think in all likelihood the seaside witness was lawende.

But why couldn't it have been Schwartz?

Because the suspect was taken into custody far earlier than anyone has reasoned before. And if they had a witness and he was used, which I think probable, then the ID failed because they had to let the witness go.

Hence MacNAughten 'There were many circumstance' but not enough circumstance to get a conviction...

Cox got on the Rippers trail shortly after the Kelly murder, presumably after the Annie Farmaer / Matilda incident on the 22nd Nov, when Aron Cohen was arrested.

Macnaughten 'He was placed in an asylum in March 1889'

Cox 'a private asylum in Surrey'

So they never caught him red handed, and the case up to March 1889 was week enough for MacNaughten to believe Druit was the murderer.

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello Jon.

"Yes, and reads very much like what Dr Blackwell suggested:

"I formed the opinion that the murderer probably caught hold of the silk scarf, which was tight and knotted, and pulled the deceased backwards, cutting her throat in that way. The throat might have been cut as she was falling, or when she was on the ground.""

yes. Yes! YES!!

This is just as my video indicates. The whole idea came from Blackwell.

Cheers.
LC

It doesn't explain the bruising on either shoulder however?

Don Rumblow put forward that a theory that the woman was slammed to the ground while giving folatio.

Good morning Lynn, yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

And yes I do respect the fact you have recreated the scene, so did Dave Yost about 15 years ago. People have been recreating these witness statements on and off for years, but much is still left open to debate.

I think we were the first Jack the Ripper program to go into detail the importance of the various witness statements that night. Before Stride had simply been dismissed as an attack gone wrong when the horse and cart turned up.

I accept that the debate will continue, that was always my purpose, and so it should*do. The account we put forward is the most straight forward solution but the position of Pipeman was highly controversial.

Of all the murders I think the Stride murder will continue to draw the most discussion and disagreement, for obvious reasons and the many differing accounts.

Its my personal opinion that Stride was very different for the killer also.

Many thanks Jon

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello Jeff.

"BSM grabs Strides Scarf and pulls her into the yard twisting her slightly as she slides over the slats. In the same movement he takes the knife from his pocket with his free hand and slits her throat."

But should her body not be 180 degrees turned about?

Cheers.
LC

Not if she falls forward on the pavement, head up the ally feet facing the gate.

If she regains consciousness she try's to draw herself into a feats position, drawing legs upward..

Perhaps it fits the bruising better if she is thrown to the ground as Schwartz describes, then dragged into the yard, but that still leaves the problem of the cachous

Yours Jeff

[curious4]

cashooooooooo!

Bless you!

[lynn cates]

when?

Hello Jeff. Thanks.

Absolutely. But, since the doctors weren't sure when the bruising occurred, I shan't worry.

If Liz were EVER thrown to the ground it would have shown in her dress.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

marks

Hell (again) Jeff. Thanks.

"Perhaps it fits the bruising better if she is thrown to the ground as Schwartz describes, then dragged into the yard, but that still leaves the problem of the cachous."

Indeed. Not to mention absence of drag marks.

Cheers.
LC

[John G]

It doesn't explain the bruising on either shoulder however?

Don Rumblow put forward that a theory that the woman was slammed to the ground while giving folatio.

Good morning Lynn, yours Jeff

Hello Jeff,

There was no bruising to the shoulders!

Foreman of the Jury: Did you notice any marks or bruises about the shoulders."

Dr Phillips: " They were what we call pressure marks. At first they were very obscure, but subsequently they became very evident. They were not what are ordinarily called bruises; neither is there any abrasion."