Originally posted by harry
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Brown? Can we be sure?
Brown, a dock labourer of 35 Fairclough Street, testified to seeing a woman with a man at 12.45am, 30th September 1888 in Fairclough Street whilst he was getting his supper from a chandler's shop on the corner with Berner Street. He saw the couple standing by the Board School; the woman had her back to the wall, facing the man who had his arm up against it. Brown heard the woman say "No, not tonight, some other night" which attracted his attention. There was no trace of an accent in the woman's voice.
At that time, there was a couple in Fairclough Street:
Edward Spooner:
Stated that between 12.30am and 1.00am, 30th September 1888, he was standing with a young woman outside the Beehive public house on the corner of Christian Street and Fairclough Street. After talking for about 25 minutes, he saw two Jewish men running up the street shouting 'murder' and 'police'. He saw them run as far as Grove Street and then turn back. When he asked them what was the matter, they explained that a woman had been murdered, so he accompanied them back the Dutfield's Yard. He saw the body of Stride in the yard and estimated that there was about fifteen people standing around it.
Fanny Mortimer:
A young man and his sweetheart were standing at the corner of the street, about twenty yards away, before and after the time the woman must have been murdered, but they told me they did not hear a sound
It seems to me that there were two couples, Spooner and his young woman and the man who bought grapes in Packer´s Shop and with him, Liz Stride.
It is possible that Matthew Packer (11.00-11.30pm), William Marshall (11.45pm) and PC Smith (12.30am) saw Liz Stride with the same man. But Brown? I guess that Brown could have seen Spooner with a young woman. "No, not tonight, some other night" is a phrase that reminds me of a young couple which want more than just kissing...
Maybe, Packer knew that this man was living in this premises. And at end of October 1888 (27-31) he saw him again in Commercial Road/ Greenfield Street.
But who was this man?
We know that Isaac Abrahams and Matilda Lubnowski (with her husband Morris) lived in Greenfield Street. We know that Woolf Abrahams lived in Providence Street/Berner Street. Isaac, Matilda and Woolf were Aaron Kozminski´s brothers and sister. Is it possible that Aaron Kozminski was the man of Packer, Marshall and PC Smith? One of them had a good view of the man, Matthew Packer.
But is BS Man identical with "Kosminski"? Stride was standing at the entrance of Dutfields Yard. In this yard there also were living rooms. In 1891 a Jacob Luskie lived there. Imagine Luskie returned to his lodging (drunken) at 12.35am and when he wanted to enter the yard a dispute arose between Stride and him. And that is what Schwartz saw.
Where was the man of Packer, Marshall and PC Smith?
"Pipman" called "Luskie" and Schwartz heard "Lipski". In this case it is possible that the police have found BS Man and Pipeman.
Via Packer the press learned more about Packer´s man who was under surveillance and the police stopped the surveillance after the press got wind of it.
Cox (City Police) stated:
Not far from where the model lodging house stands he met another woman, and for a considerable distance he walked along with her.
The man of Packer, Marshall and PC Smith a considerable distance he walked with Stride I guess it is possible...
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