6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Where are we told that he worked that night?
Or, that he worked so late?
Or, that he walked through Berner St. directly from work to home?"

Merely someone on a thread trying to save MK's candidacy.

Cheers.
LC

Ok thats fine, just not sure if I'd missed something.

Do you think the direction walked by BS-man, south down Berner St. is consistent with Kidney coming from his home looking for Stride?

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[lynn cates]

thread

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Where are we told that he worked that night?
Or, that he worked so late?
Or, that he walked through Berner St. directly from work to home?"

Merely someone on a thread trying to save MK's candidacy.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

no saint

Hello (again) Velma. Thanks.

Indeed. In classical theory (which I have no cause to doubt) that is how it happens.

To be clear, I take MK to be no saint, nor do I think he would stick at bopping Liz.

But, you are right that we'll never know.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

grey matter

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Did any of them actually laugh along?

I can see turning on your tormentors, but that seems to presuppose a bit of grey matter. See little evidence of his.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Yes, and isn't it just possible that Kidney had stumbled upon her that night, or even followed her accompanied by those men?"

I'll bite. Can you help me see this? Here's the least bad so far.

1. Kidney worked the docks.

2. He might have worked late.

3. The docks were located to the south.

4. Michael just happened to pass down Berner on his way home.

5. He sees Liz by chance and "cautions" her.

BUT:

6. Schwartz has BS going north to south. from docks to home requires south to north.

That won't do.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Where are we told that he worked that night?
Or, that he worked so late?
Or, that he walked through Berner St. directly from work to home?

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[curious]

Hello Velma. I can't disagree with any of that. We simply don't know which way it happened.

But we can be certain that Liz was not legendary for her veracity.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
You're right of course about Stride's veracity. Have we met many people in this case capable of it?

The only reason I'm sticking my nose in here is that I understand (from some law enforcement, social worker, etc. types) that most often (and not always) the abuse is real and the cycle keeps repeating. Which perhaps explains why she left so many times over the years. Naturally, when Kidney told the story, it was because SHE drank, certainly not because he did anything wrong. . . .

We'll never know. I'm not sure we should bet the farm either way.

curious

[curious]

I appreciate that, but Kidney is rather like the forger Piggott. Both were laughed at in court, and the silly buggers laughed with them. that tells me something.

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,

Have you heard of Columbine school shootings?

Aren't there other people who have been laughed at, who perhaps laughed with their tormenters, then turned around and destroyed the tormentor or took it out on innocent people?

You may be positive you can write Kidney off, but some people have turned around with an "I'll show them" attitude and done major damage -- the shooters at Columbine and Newtown come to my mind, I suspect there are others.

curious

[lynn cates]

scenario

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Yes, and isn't it just possible that Kidney had stumbled upon her that night, or even followed her accompanied by those men?"

I'll bite. Can you help me see this? Here's the least bad so far.

1. Kidney worked the docks.

2. He might have worked late.

3. The docks were located to the south.

4. Michael just happened to pass down Berner on his way home.

5. He sees Liz by chance and "cautions" her.

BUT:

6. Schwartz has BS going north to south. from docks to home requires south to north.

That won't do.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better."

Now there, I completely agree. I think she left because she thought she could do better.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Yes, and isn't it just possible that Kidney had stumbled upon her that night, or even followed her accompanied by those men?
Maybe he had seen enough and took her to task over her seemingly carefree ways with other men?

We only have one sketch of Kidney, in profile, don't we? I wouldn't call him "full faced & broad shouldered". The face I see looks like he has a skinny build, but estimates of size at night, and sketches can be misleading.

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[lynn cates]

jerk

Hello Roy.

"That doesn't mean he's a nice innocent guy."

Well, I certainly wish not to portray him as such. but many "jerks" are not also murderers.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

veracity

Hello Velma. I can't disagree with any of that. We simply don't know which way it happened.

But we can be certain that Liz was not legendary for her veracity.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

sincerest form of flattery

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"(Lynn I hope you don't mind me using your silly billy comment, its fun to use!)"

Not a problem.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

England, England and, yes, England. (Is it over yet?)

Hello CD, Roy. The Met profile (based on hints dropped passim) included sexual irregularity--masturbation, sodomy, non-standard posture, not thinking about England.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Laugh, and the world laughs with you.

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"I'm not saying Kidney is guilty of killing Stride but he should be a suspect for it."

I am not disagreeing. officially, he should be. But don't commit any manpower to that.

"I'm not even committed to saying Stride wasn't a Ripper victim."

Well, I am.

"I for one don't believe Kidney is the simple minded fool everyone makes him sound like. He obviously had at least once abused Stride to the point she had him charged which is more we can say about anyone else."

Hang on. she may have been upset and had him charged. When she cooled down and thought it over, she didn't show up.

"To matter of factually state this "silly billy" didn't kill anyone (more specifically Liz) I think would be a mistake."

I appreciate that, but Kidney is rather like the forger Piggott. Both were laughed at in court, and the silly buggers laughed with them. that tells me something.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Friday?

Hello Mike. Thanks.

Indeed. but if they were pawned Friday night, why did Kate go to Mile End Casual Ward?

Of course, this is not the place to discuss that. Sorry.

New thread time?

Cheers.
LC