6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[DRoy]

Curious,

All speculation of course but I would agree that that's how it most likely went down. He hurt her but for whatever reason she didn't make it to testify against him. That doesn't mean he's a nice innocent guy.

Cheers
DRoy

[curious]

Perhaps she got over her snit?

Cheers.
LC

Hi, Lynn,
Actually, from what I understand, the abused not actually sending the abuser to jail is very common, even classic, in domestic cases.

The guy whines and cries and snivels, "you know I didn't mean to hurt you honey, but I was drinking.

You know you couldn't stand to see me in jail, honey. Think what might happen to me in jail.

You know if I go to jail all the bills will mount up and we'll lose everything.

Honey, I love you and I promise I won't ever lay a hand on you again.

From the stories I've heard and read, it is lots more frequently that the abused drop the charges than they press them. THEN, occasionally, the abuse does escalate to murder -- but as someone pointed out on this thread, most often in the home or in the home where the abused has sought refuge.

I suspect Stride got "talked round" instead of getting over her snit.

or even knew he'd kill her if she didn't -- sometimes that threat hangs over a woman's head. "No matter where you go, you send me to jail and I'll hunt you down.

curious

[DRoy]

c.d.

They had no idea whether they were right or not but that doesn't mean they didn't have an opinion on the physical description and mental state of Jack. A 6'7" silly billy did not fit the bill.

(Lynn I hope you don't mind me using your silly billy comment, its fun to use!)

DRoy

[c.d.]

c.d.

I'm not trying to create a profile of Jack, the police had though.

If Kidney was 6'7" then he surely didn't fit any physical description. As Lynn has pointed out, Kidney was a 'buffoon', surely the police were looking for someone different.

DRoy

Hi DRoy,

But that begs the question -- how did the police know that their profile was correct?

c.d.

[DRoy]

Lynn,

I'm not saying Kidney is guilty of killing Stride but he should be a suspect for it. I'm not even committed to saying Stride wasn't a Ripper victim.

I for one don't believe Kidney is the simple minded fool everyone makes him sound like. He obviously had at least once abused Stride to the point she had him charged which is more we can say about anyone else. To matter of factually state this "silly billy" didn't kill anyone (more specifically Liz) I think would be a mistake.

Cheers
DRoy

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Mike.

"we know that John let Kate pawn his boots Friday night"

Do we indeed?

Cheers.
LC

We know that the pawn ticket was dated for Friday Lynn. Of course that contradicts Johns own Saturday morning "boots for breakfast" story ...but when questioned directly about the pawn date, he acknowledged he wasn't sure whether it was Friday or Saturday. He said he was drunk.

Cheers Lynn

[DRoy]

c.d.

I'm not trying to create a profile of Jack, the police had though.

If Kidney was 6'7" then he surely didn't fit any physical description. As Lynn has pointed out, Kidney was a 'buffoon', surely the police were looking for someone different.

DRoy

[lynn cates]

merely a pawn

Hello Mike.

"we know that John let Kate pawn his boots Friday night"

Do we indeed?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

silly billy

Hello Roy.

"It's already been pointed out in this thread that Kidney doesn't fit the profile of a killer so how could he be responsible for many murders?"

Not sure about profile, but, to put it simply, that poor silly billy killed no one.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Alibis R Us

Hello (again) CD.

"Now I have to go back and rethink my position."

I think I've hit it. You could propose a single alibi whilst I could propose more than one. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

alibi

Hello CD.

"And how would the police know that Kidney wasn't Jack?"

Well, if they are thinking in terms of one person doing all, an alibi for any ONE would suffice.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

full of snit

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"The charge wasn't dropped by Liz, she didn't show up to testify against him."

Which amounts to the same--no one to prosecute.

"Why she didn't show is anyone's guess."

Perhaps she got over her snit?

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

There are 3 Canonicals who seem to be having some issues with their men at the time of their deaths,... Liz Stride did stop seeing Kidney very recently before she dies, it appears at least that Kate and John were not as inseparable as John had claimed in his statements, and Mary Kelly cleared Barnett out at the start of the month.

I believe its only Kidney though that does not continue to be on speaking terms with his ex after the split, we know that John let Kate pawn his boots Friday night, and we know Barnett came to bring money to Mary almost daily since his departure.

So as far as aggrieved parties possibly being culpable for Liz Stride...there may be something there that is not present in the other cases. We also hear that Liz had left Kidney before...for month at a time, but he thought "she liked him better than any other man", ...implying the reason she left, and why she would return.

Best regards

[c.d.]

c.d.

It's already been pointed out in this thread that Kidney doesn't fit the profile of a killer so how could he be responsible for many murders?

Cheers
DRoy

Hello DRoy,

Until the police have the killer in custody, a profile doesn't mean squat. It is also quite possible that the killer doesn't match the profile which is an educated guess at best. At this point, the police had no clue who Jack was and a sketchy profile of who he might be to say the least. Therefore, no one could be ruled out.

c.d.

P.S. As for profiles, could any profiler have guessed that the BTK killer lived in the suburbs, was active in his church and concerned himself with the heighth of his neighbor's lawn?

[The Good Michael]

It's already been pointed out in this thread that Kidney doesn't fit the profile of a killer so how could he be responsible for many murders?

I think he's a good fit as a killer. He fits the sailor theory. He was a heavy drinker. He had venereal disease (could have been from a prostitute). He knew the area intimately. He also seems to have insinuated himself in the police investigation. In fact, the argument for Hutchinson has many parallels with Kidney and I would suggest Kidney is more likely.

Mike