6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[DRoy]

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

[Wickerman]

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Of course, there seems a wide gulf between an abuser of women and one who would go all the way to throat cutting. And I'm not certain that Kidney fell into even the first category.

Cheers.
LC

To be honest Lynn, whatever is within reach at the time may be the only difference.

A man who is aggravated enough to assault his common-law wife will often use whatever he can lay his hands on.
If he had a knife in his pocket, we need look no further. Without a weapon within reach he will likely use his fists or his boots.

I'm not inclined to think that Kidney was her killer but equally I've read no good argument to exclude him unless, the description of BS-man is so remote from that of Michael Kidney that this is the only reasonable consideration against him being a suspect in her murder.

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[lynn cates]

abuser

Hello Velma. Thanks.

Of course, there seems a wide gulf between an abuser of women and one who would go all the way to throat cutting. And I'm not certain that Kidney fell into even the first category.

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Dave

Exactly the point I was trying to make Jon...by his own evidence, and his own evidence only...

Yet, Stride did have the key to the padlock amongst her possessions, and she also gave the woman who lived next door to Kidney her Swedish hymn book after she`d been in the room to retrieve it.

Lots of evidence backing up his claim....

[curious]

There's also a "nasty factor involved. He lacked it.

Cheers.
LC

good morning, Lynn,
How can you arrive at that conclusiont? It is my understanding that abusers of women often tend to be considered fine upstanding fellas by most people who know them, it is only the people who live with them and know them intimately who ever see that "nasty factor"

I have my doubts that a "nasty factor" would be on display in a court by a coward who abuses people weaker than himself.

curious

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Dave



Kidney`s inquest testimony:

When deceased and I lived together I put a padlock on the door when we left the house. I had the key, but deceased has got in and out when I have been away. I found she had been there during my absence on Wednesday of last week - the day after she left - and taken some things.

Exactly the point I was trying to make Jon...by his own evidence, and his own evidence only...

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

nasty

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Is there an IQ test for throat cutting?"

Well, of course the "throat cutter" must be able to find the requisite bodily part.

There's also a "nasty factor" involved. He lacked it.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

liquor

Hello Same.

"She probably spent in on liquor. I think she was on a pub crawl."

Could be. Of course, there was no trace of such in her system. Maybe the invisible signs?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi RivkahChaya

I don't necessarily think Kidney killed her, but the statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is as compelling as "There was a serial killer on the loose, so any unsolved murder at the time must be his work," which what it seems the argument for Stride as a victim essentially boils down to.

The statistical reality of women being killed by their partners or recent exes is that these murders generally occur in the home.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Dave

Sorry but I have to repeat the question...by whose evidence?

Kidney`s inquest testimony:

When deceased and I lived together I put a padlock on the door when we left the house. I had the key, but deceased has got in and out when I have been away. I found she had been there during my absence on Wednesday of last week - the day after she left - and taken some things.

[Wickerman]

Hi Lynn.

Hello Roy. Thanks.

Indeed. But can you personally envision the lad who gave THAT testimony killing a woman by cutting her throat?

Cheers.
LC

Is there an IQ test for throat cutting?


Tom didn't exonerate Michael Kidney but I don't see him as a Prime suspect, but certainly he is a suspect.

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[Semper_Eadem]

Hello I am new to the Casebook Forum.
I am wondering what the cost of a corsage would have been in London's lower East End in 1888? And, were such items sold in the lower East End at that time? The manifest of items found on Liz's body at the time of her death do not mention the 6d. that she had earned earlier that afternoon. There also does not seem to be any evidence that she spent it, as it seems that she was with a man most of the evening, according to witnesses that claim to have seen her throughout that evening. Which leads me to believe that she would not have any reason to spend her money on alcohol or other items such as a corsage or food.
So, what happened to the 6.?

Sluggo.

She probably spent in on liquor. I think she was on a pub crawl.

[RivkahChaya]

That should have been "He wouldn't be the first person to get dumped...." Stupid autocorrect.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Rivkah

Except he padlocked her out of his place. Anyway, he would be the first person to get dumped, and then kill the person who dumped him. In fact, when break-ups end in murder, it usually works that way.

Sorry but I have to repeat the question...by whose evidence?

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

personally envision

Hello Roy. Thanks.

Indeed. But can you personally envision the lad who gave THAT testimony killing a woman by cutting her throat?

Cheers.
LC