6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[Michael W Richards]

Hi DRoy,

I've just addressed this very point over on the 'where' thread.

If Mortimer came out for ten minutes, as was reported, and went back in four minutes before the pony and cart passed at 1am, she may well have come out a minute or two too late to see Schwartz's incident.

She most certainly missed the two most important people we know were there: Stride and her killer.

Love,

Caz
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We dont know that Fanny "missed" anything Caz...we know she didnt say that she saw anyone on the street during the times she was at her door from 12:30 until 1am other than the young couple, which Brown also sees at 12:45, and Goldstein, who verifies her sighting that Tuesday night.

In fact, those are 2 statements that corroborate each other....but do we have any for Israel....or Morris,....or Lave,.....or Louis?

Cheers

[DRoy]

Caz,

I addressed the 10 minutes you refer to in the Mortimer witness thread. If you are referring to the Evening News Nov 1, that tiny section of reporting is not quoted. She is quoted two times in the same paper same day and there is nothing about 10 minutes. She missed Stride in my opinion because Stride was already in the yard.

Cheers
DRoy

[caz]

Hi DRoy,

I've just addressed this very point over on the 'where' thread.

If Mortimer came out for ten minutes, as was reported, and went back in four minutes before the pony and cart passed at 1am, she may well have come out a minute or two too late to see Schwartz's incident.

She most certainly missed the two most important people we know were there: Stride and her killer.

Love,

Caz
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[DRoy]

Caz,

She was only a couple doors down from where Stride was found so she should have seen and heard at least that confrontation...if it happened at all of course.

Cheers
DRoy

[caz]

Caz,

Quote:
If anyone here believes that Mortimer was in a position to see any comings and goings, hear any noises, right from 12.30 to 1am without any breaks, yet saw and heard nothing untoward (and therefore Schwartz is a lying toad who also saw nothing), when is Stride supposed to have arrived at the yard, and was her killer on the premises all the time? Or were they both wearing cloaks of invisibility?

As has been admitted a million times over in a bunch of different threads and posts, time is most likely wrong when people give it. Even a clock at the end of the road (Diemchutz) isn't necessarily correct. So lets give or take a few minutes for every witness. Mortimer could have gone outside at 12:35 instead of 12:30. Since Smith said he saw Liz at 12:35, it could very well have been 12:34 with Mortimer coming out of her house one minute later.

I don't know about you but I don't check my watch every time something happens in my life so I could document the exact time it happened. Plus who says my watch wouldn't be off a couple minutes from the true time or the next person's watch?

You want me to accept Smith couldn't be wrong about the time, Mortimer was wrong but Schwartz in the middle of running from Pipeman checked his watch and his watch is exactly correct with the actual time? Come on Caz!

Cheers
DRoy

Hi DRoy,

I have no idea what you're on about, but this seems to be a complete non sequitur to the point I was making. If, like me, you don't think Fanny Mortimer was in a position to see all possible comings and goings right from 12.30 to 1am, we would seem to be in agreement.

Love,

Caz
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[Digalittledeeperwatson]

[QUOTE=lynn cates;260477]Hello DLDW. And if you wish to be TRULY bored, I can loan you volume 2 of his collected letters.

Cheers.
LC[/QUOTE
Boredom is a constant. It depends on how masochistic I am feeling on an given day. Thanks for the offer.

[lynn cates]

correspondence

Hello DLDW. And if you wish to be TRULY bored, I can loan you volume 2 of his collected letters.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Thank you and gladly.

[Michael W Richards]

Who was the speaker that cancelled because of threats and etc? Never heard of this before.

William Morris was to speak at the club that night, and there was threatened violence as a result. Id recommend that you read up on him and who he was alittlebetter so that the clubs reputation might be clearer Digalittledeeper.

Cheers

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Michael W Richards

Who was the speaker that cancelled because of threats and etc? Never heard of this before.

[curious4]

Royal connection

Hello Lynn,

Or marry the Pearly King - then we could revive the royal connection.

Cheers,
Gwyneth

[lynn cates]

not certain

Hello Mike. Thanks.

"if a link was discovered between the 2 men Israels potential allegiance play would be that much more believable."

Indeed. But still not a certainty.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

ambiguous

Hello Michael. Thanks.

Not coy. But your question is ambiguous.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Sorry Dave, I hope you didn't think I was talking about 'today'. I see what I wrote could have been taken in the present tense, but I assure you I am deeply entrenched in Victoriana

Hi Jon

I didn't and I wasn't...I suggest you check out the role of the Coroners Officers...I think you'll also find the personalities interesting.

All the best

Dave

[Wickerman]

Originally Posted by Wickerman View Post
I'm not sure if you just said what I think you just said..

If you did, why have you been quiet for so long...

What do you mean?

Sorry I missed this Abby.

You appear to be suggesting two things, first that 'Brighteyes' at the Bricklayers may be culpable in this murder..
He is one of my 'Person's of Interest'.

And second, what you wrote is consistent with someone who thinks Stride may not have been alone when she was standing in the gateway. An opinion that I don't recall anyone yet voicing, but this I have suspected is distinctly possible.