6d. Did Liz spend it, or die for it?

[DRoy]

c.d.

It's already been pointed out in this thread that Kidney doesn't fit the profile of a killer so how could he be responsible for many murders?

Cheers
DRoy

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence."

Don't look now, but, for once, we are in total agreement.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

I am shocked! Shocked I tell you! Agreement? Yikes! Now I have to go back and rethink my position.

c.d.

[c.d.]

To all,

It is apparent the police were looking for 'Jack', so while Kidney would have been questioned, he did not fit who they were looking for. I'm not suggesting the police were stupid but it is possible he slipped through.

Count how many of the Ripper suspects have been questioned and then count how many have been convicted of the WM. The excuse he would have been questioned is one that must be applied to everyone.

Cheers
DRoy

Hello DRoy,

And how would the police know that Kidney wasn't Jack?

c.d.

[DRoy]

Lynn,

The charge wasn't dropped by Liz, she didn't show up to testify against him. Why she didn't show is anyone's guess.

For her to have him charged in the first we could assume it was serious enough.

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

pride of place

Hello Roy.

"The excuse he would have been questioned is one that must be applied to everyone."

True enough. Yet not all those who were questioned were ex-lovers whom had recently been dumped by Liz.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

gasp!

Hello CD.

"Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence."

Don't look now, but, for once, we are in total agreement.

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

To all,

It is apparent the police were looking for 'Jack', so while Kidney would have been questioned, he did not fit who they were looking for. I'm not suggesting the police were stupid but it is possible he slipped through.

Count how many of the Ripper suspects have been questioned and then count how many have been convicted of the WM. The excuse he would have been questioned is one that must be applied to everyone.

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

greener pastures

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better."

Now there, I completely agree. I think she left because she thought she could do better.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

abuse

Hello Roy. Thanks.

"Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend."

Of course--by me, anyway. But at some point, such is placed on the back burner without something tangible.

"She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?"

Yes, a bit. Did Liz ever even once hint at abuse? (Yes, she had him up on a charge once, but dropped it.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

meeting

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"To be honest Lynn, whatever is within reach at the time may be the only difference."

Well. It is refreshing that I don't get a lecture on the rareness of knife murders. I'm with you here.

"A man who is aggravated enough to assault his common-law wife will often use whatever he can lay his hands on."

Completely agree.

"If he had a knife in his pocket, we need look no further. Without a weapon within reach he will likely use his fists or his boots."

Right, again.

Still, I've never heard one decent account about Michael meeting Liz. Perhaps you could supply one?

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Periodic drinking

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abċċċċusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

Hello DRoy,

There is a type of alcoholism very common in Sweden known as periodic alcoholism and I think Liz fitted into this category. With this type of alcoholism, the sufferer can be sober for months, only to go on a "bender" and remain hopelessly drunk for days, even weeks, and eventually to sober up for a period, only to repeat the cycle. This, as I know from personal experience, is very distressing for friends and family, especially when the sufferer disappears from home altogether. It would be natural for Kidney to try to prevent this happening. As he said "It was the drink that made her go".

I also think that she was sober when killed. No alcoholic can take just one drink.

Kidney had to have had a cast-iron alibi. The police would have been delighted to arrest him - either to prove that Jack didn't kill Liz, or to charge him with all the murders.

Best wishes,
C4

[The Good Michael]

Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence.

c.d.

And this is the exact same thing for Hutchinson as well. But the sides who choose either as a suspect will always point to the fact that there was no literal information regarding them being checked out.

Mike

[c.d.]

If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better.

Hello Wickerman,

I think you just described the mindset of most of the women on the planet.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

"Michael Kidney, a morose and rough-spoken man,.."

"The witness at this point began in a most incoherent manner to complain..."

"...he commenced in a sulky manner and in speech very difficult to understand,..."

If Stride had to live with such a man we might understand that at some point in their relationship she realized she could do better.

.

[c.d.]

Lynn,

Kidney would be a suspect because he was Liz's boyfriend.

Although Tom feels that since Liz lied about some details in her life then it means she was lying about Kidney abusing her. She wanted away from Kidney for some reason so is it a stretch to suggest it was because he was abusing her?

Regardless whether he seems the type, he could be a different person when in drink or when his temper takes over, etc.

Cheers
DRoy

Precisely, and the police would have had to have been ten kinds of idiot not to question Kidney and ask him for an alibi. I have to assume that either he provided them with an alibi that checked out or that he was able to convince them of his innocence.

c.d.