saving Liz Stride

[Archaic]

Not Tonight, Dear

Tsk, tsk, Lynn, you know I said "propelled".

Seriously, though-

Here's something I've always wondered about which pertains to the question of the killer's choice of location: When Liz was spotted earlier that evening talking to a man he said something to her. She was heard to respond "Not tonight- some other night".

Might this man have been trying to talk her into going someplace "private" with him?

Perhaps to his own lodgings or to some other location that she was wary of?

Could this man have been her killer?

Best regards, Archaic

[belinda]

The swelling that appears on Liz's lower lip on the photographhas me confused.Could it have been from an injury inflicted by the killer or what?

[lynn cates]

Brown's story

Hello Archaic. That same question bedevils me too. That is one of the main ideas behind the Schwartz/Brown thread.

Any good ideas?

The best.
LC

[lynn cates]

lip

Hello Belinda. That has bothered me for some time. It seems untouched by the inquest/doctor's testimony.

A natural explanation would be that it is the result of strangulation. But there seems no suggestion of her being strangled--beyond the initial scarf pull.

The best.
LC

[curious]

she left with her 6d and she was found dead....and sober.

All the best

and with NO money, right?

curious

[c.d.]

You would expect Liz to have at least some money on her. Does it seem likely that if it was a domestic dispute that her killer would take her money? If it was Jack and he was a client, I can see him taking back his money and any that she had.

c.d.

[belinda]

Hello Belinda. That has bothered me for some time. It seems untouched by the inquest/doctor's testimony.

A natural explanation would be that it is the result of strangulation. But there seems no suggestion of her being strangled--beyond the initial scarf pull.

The best.
LC

It should have been in the Post Mortem report ,Could it have been from a blow to the face during the attack by the man who pushed her to the ground?

[lynn cates]

lip again

Hello Belinda. Well, Schwartz made no mention of a blow to the face. Of course, he beat a hasty retreat.

If she HAD been pummeled about the mouth, that would make the presence of the cachous stranger still, for one normally eschews something in the mouth at such times.

The best.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
Liz stride had a deformed lip, rumour had it she was trodden on by a seaman when rescued from the 'Princess Alice ' disaster, although no proof of that exists.
She apparently has a nickname, was it Lippy'? not certain, however if it was we have the three possibilities..Lipsky, lizzie, and Lippy.
So not the result of a beating by her killer, just a pronounced lip.
Regards Richard.

[perrymason]

Hi again all,

As to the point earlier regarding her money that was paid to her after she had cleaned, 2 rooms I believe,....the 6d was not on her when she was found, but when she left the lodging house with that 6d she did not have a flower on her jacket. I would imagine that cachous and a flower arrangement might run her something close to that 6d if by comparison her bed would have cost 4d.

Its not clear precisely when she acquired the flowers or the cachous, only that the flower was acquired after she had left the lodging house and before she was found.

Since she had declined to reserve a room with 4d of her money and in fact said she would not be returning that night nor did she know when she might return again, it would appear as if she had made other arrangements for at least that one night. Perhaps if things went well, it might be more than that. Liz was known to have disappeared a few times in the past, sometimes for weeks on end and with her relationship with Kidney ongoing.

My feeling is that both the flower and the cachous were bought with her 6d because I dont believe she had met up with her patron or date or whathaveyou by the time she is killed, and he would have been the likely one that would have bought those things for her. The other men she meets with seem like perhaps occasional clients or acquaintances, but there is no indication that any of them would be her "date" that night and therefore the purchaser of the date-like accoutrements.

Best regards all.

[Tom_Wescott]

Liz's bottom lip

Liz's bottom lip was not injured. She just had a full lip. One of her nicknames was 'Hippy Lip Annie'. Back then, 'hippy' meant to stick out.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

prominent lower lip

Hello Richard and Tom. Thanks for the helpful explanation.

A prominent lower lip is a recognizable racial characteristic of Prusso-Austrian ladies. Makes me wonder about her gene pool.

The best.
LC

[belinda]

Hello Richard and Tom. Thanks for the helpful explanation.

A prominent lower lip is a recognizable racial characteristic of Prusso-Austrian ladies. Makes me wonder about her gene pool.

The best.
LC

Ditto

Like Marie Antoinette with her sausagey Habsburg lips.If you look at portraits of the Habsburgs they all have that kind of lip.I thought it was something peculiar to the family but it makes more sense know

[lynn cates]

Hello Belinda. Apparently, it is an enduring trait. My wife is of Prussian heritage and the lip is still there. It must be a dominant trait. At least, it's deeply ensconced in the gene pool.

The best.
LC

[curious]

Hi again all,

As to the point earlier regarding her money that was paid to her after she had cleaned, 2 rooms I believe,....the 6d was not on her when she was found, but when she left the lodging house with that 6d she did not have a flower on her jacket. I would imagine that cachous and a flower arrangement might run her something close to that 6d if by comparison her bed would have cost 4d.

What is your explanation for the large piece of green velvet she left with Catherine Lane?

curious