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  • #136
    Hi Lynn,

    That's what's bizarre...how anyone can see a domestic murder in the Berner Street case. If you're sincere in seeking more likely solutions, you should start with the printed material and then go back and search the archives here on the Casebook.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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    • #137
      roadblock

      Hello Tom. Well, my original problem came when I tried to reconstruct this in the traditional way. I ran into a big roadblock

      I have read the dissertations and coroner's reports ad nauseum. Those which have Liz soliciting near the gates and killed 10 feet away facing the gates are mostly a waste of time.

      The best.
      LC

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      • #138
        Only a waste

        If you see it that way, I truly disregard schwartzes story on the count that how many of you think that in a panicing state and naybe even being drunk,
        think they could state such a story and identify a dead woman and known 100% for sure what you saw happened. Our minds do tend to play tricks on us as we are scared.

        just some thoughts
        Washington Irving:

        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

        Stratford-on-Avon

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        • #139
          ripper sightings

          Hello Corey. I tend to take ALL ripper sightings cum grano salis. I am least uncomfortable with Lawende, but still . . .

          The best.
          LC

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          • #140
            As do I

            We must keep in mind some of these "witnessess" you can call them probally told their sitings for attention and publicity, which I belive Schwartz to be one of those, even if he made the story of fleeing.

            yours truly.

            p.s. lynn have you seen my new theory?I have it posted in my thread "the mind of "Jack the Ripper"'
            Washington Irving:

            "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

            Stratford-on-Avon

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            • #141
              language barrier

              Hello Corey. I'm not sure if Schwartz got any thing here and there was a severe language barrier.

              (Yes, I think I even posted on that thread.)

              The best.
              LC

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              • #142
                Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                ...Liz soliciting near the gates and killed 10 feet away facing the gates...
                Hi Lynn,

                John Guy was kind enough to post on your thread that is not what Schwartz said, but you missed it. Post 70

                Roy
                Sink the Bismark

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                • #143
                  Yes he did have a huge launguage barrier, I do belive in that disseratation that you showed me that if he DID hear the words "Lispki" that he probally mistook them for another word, not necisserily "Lizzy".

                  yours truly
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #144
                    solicitation

                    Hello Roy. Thanks. I was not referring to Schwartz's testimony in conjunction with solicitation. He merely saw BS man approach Liz. I was merely remarking the traditional view.

                    The best.
                    LC

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                    • #145
                      70

                      Hello Roy. I looked back at post 70. I did not miss it the first time. But that explanation leaves the cachous issue untouched--unless, of course, BS man threw her down 10 feet away from the gates and Liz sat there and pulled out the cachous whilst on the ground and BS finished her off as she sat there sucking the sweetmeats.

                      The best.
                      LC

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                      • #146
                        Evening Lynn,

                        Ah yes the cachous. In mortal fear she clutched them. At least that's the first thing that comes to mind. It's the only thought I've ever had on the cachous.

                        Schwartz got to the gate and saw her thrown down on the footpath which is in the yard itself. It was all right there. He saw Jack the Ripper in the first act of murder. He ID'ed her body at the morgue. He is our eyewitness.

                        Roy
                        Sink the Bismark

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                        • #147
                          sure hands

                          Hello Roy. Thanks. But being thrown down that far away she held on?

                          As I've said before, there are some sporting teams that would like someone like that.

                          The best.
                          LC

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                            Hello Curious.

                            "Do you have a verdict yet? [D]o you think Liz's place has been saved?"

                            The best.
                            LC
                            Hi, Lynn,

                            It's still too early for me to have the "big picture" yet.

                            Out of this I've discovered that the man Liz was with at 11 p.m. had sore eyes with no eyelashes.

                            A man Mary Kelly was said to be with was said to have "very peculiar eyes" but I have no idea what that really means.

                            More importantly, is it possible they were the same man?

                            Since these two victims are the ones I think most likely were NOT killed by JtR, I find it intriquing.

                            There are still so many paths to explore before I have it figured out in my own head.

                            I'm surprised to see that you believe Liz was a domestic. Interesting. I thought you were on the other side of the debate.

                            curious

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                            • #149
                              Pandora's box

                              Hello Curious. Well, domestic is an odd word. I think she was done in by one of her clients. Domestic?

                              I agree that there are many far reaching ramifications of her night. Notice that there are many forking branches in the reasoning. So, for example, a different pictures emerges if she were with 1 man as opposed to many. Or if Schwartz is added or subtracted. Same with BO man--did Brown see him with Liz or was it a block over? Same forking with solicitation.


                              One place where the reasoning seems not to fork is with those accursed cachous. Had she not been found with those, you could tell me any bloody story and I'd swallow it. But the cachous changes the entire equation and so Liz died where she was found and pointing as she was found and facing as she was found. And that opens up Pandora's box of complications for the traditional assault.

                              The best.
                              LC

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                              • #150
                                Hi Lynn, I couldn't disagree more.

                                A woman attacked, overpowered and murdered by a serial killer cannot clutch an item in her hand. She cannot hold on to that item for dear life. It can't be.

                                That's what you're saying.

                                Roy
                                Sink the Bismark

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