Kate's Last Half Hour

[DJA]

I didn't say that. I said that every resident - every resident - interviewed by the press and/or at the inquest gave their address as "Miller's Court" together with their room number; Sarah Lewis, a mere visitor to the Keylers, did exactly the same. Nobody - nobody - referred to 26 or 27 Dorset Street, a pattern followed by Maria Harvey who lived in nearby New Court, despite its being within 33 and 34 Dorset Street.

Tbis "alphabetti spaghetti" approach to the two sets of false credentials used by Eddowes is ridiculous. The only way to connect the names is by munging the two aliases together and dropping the "Ann". In terms of the address, we need to add a "twenty-" prefix to "6 Fashion Street", then transplant that invented "26" into "Jane Kelly of Dorset Street". Then we need to overlook the fact that we have no mention of a room number, and no mention of Miller's Court - which is remarkable, given that it was clearly known as Miller's Court, and there was a sign at the Court's entrance which advertised its name.

Inquest: Mary Jane Kelly Monday, November 12, 1888 (The Daily Telegraph, Tuesday, November 13, 1888) Yesterday [12 Nov], at the Shoreditch Town Hall, Dr. Macdonald, M.P., the coroner for the North- Eastern District of Middlesex, opened his inquiry relative to the death of Marie Jeanette Kelly, the woman whose body was discovered on Friday morning, terribly mutilated, in a room on the ground floor of 26, Dorset-street, entrance to which was by a side door in Miller's-court. 6 Fashion Street was directly behind 32 Flower and Dean Street where Stride was living. She left Kidney at 38 Dorset Street two days before Barnett purports he and Kate returned from Kent. Like an ostrich,you may well have me on ignore,however that does not change the FACTS!

[Leanne]

[Leanne]

Please pinpoint what you mean:

[Leanne]

And show us where Joseph BARNETT said he and Kate returned from KENT.

[Leanne]

From 1861 and possibly as Miller's Rents from circa 1851 when three residences were listed in the census.

The parlor that was to become number 13 was obviously tagged on sometime after the other 6 buildings/12 residences had been built.

No doubt Michael is correct.

Crikey,you're a long way off course for someone who wanted to limit this thread to Eddowes.

Millers Court 1881

1 Millers Court

Head: Charles Green aged 34 born Stepney - Labourer

Wife: Mary A Green aged 29 born Shoreditch

Boarders:

Robert Brown aged 21 born Chobham - Hawker

Louisa Wood aged 20 born Blackfriars

2 Millers Court

Head: Alfred Smith aged 44 born Bethnal Green - Butcher

Wife: Elizabeth Smith aged 39 born Hounslow

Daughter: Mary Ann aged 11 born Mile End

Boarders:

William Whitehead aged 18 born Southampton - Hawker

Emma Polard aged 17 born Middlesex

Alfred Whitehead aged 16 born Southampton

3 Millers Court

Boarders:

Barney Lipman aged 21 born Middlesex - Fish porter

Sophia Palmer aged 27 born Cambridgeshire

Thomas Carey aged 27 born Bromley - Labourer

Annie Shay aged 20 born India

Nelly Shay aged 17 born India - Boot binder

4 Millers Court

Head: Lawrence McDonald aged 22 born Bethnal Green - Labourer in gas factory

Wife: Sarah McDonald aged 27 born Kings Cross

Head: Eliza Carlsin (Widow) aged 40 born Dublin

Children:

Kate aged 12 born Spitalfields

Charles James aged 10 months born Spitalfields

5 Millers Court

Head: Cornelius Hoaks aged 23 born Spitalfields - Hawker

Wife: Agnes Hoaks aged 21 born Spitalfields

Head: Elizabeth James aged 36 born Kent - Needlewoman

Boarder:

Alfred B Knight aged 3 months born Spitalfields

6 Millers Court

Head: Frederick Smith aged 41 born Clerkenwell - Gold beater

Wife: Ellen Smith aged 38 born Clerkenwell - Laundress

Head: Edward Tagg aged 36 born Clerkenwell - Glass blower

Wife: Sarah A Tagg aged 36 born Dublin

Children:

Cecilia aged 16 born Camberwell

Thomas aged 15 born Blackfriars

THANKS CHRIS SCOTT

[DJA]

Missed a bit Leanne,

26 Dorset Street in 1881:
Head: John Death aged 25 born Mile End - Umbrella frame maker
Wife: Alice Death aged 24 born Blackfriars
Children:
John William aged 5 born Spitalfields
Emma aged 3 born Birmingham
Joseph A aged 2 born London

Head: Henry Pound aged 37 born Mile End - Bricklayer
Wife: Ann Pound aged 34 born Spitalfields - Dressmaker

Head: William Jones aged 32 born London - Boot and shoe maker
Wife: Janey Jones aged 27 born Poplar - Washerwoman

Head: George Wood aged 40 born Lambeth - Carman
Wife: Janey Wood aged 42 born Scotland

Head: Thomas Paine aged 28 born Epping - Fish smoker
Wife: Kate Paine aged 35 born Epping - Stay maker

No 13 Miller's Court in 1881,according to Chis Scott,was still considered part of the house,although sub let.

[DJA]

And show us where Joseph BARNETT said he and Kate returned from KENT.

Oops

Sorta thing happens when in one's 70s,bedridden due to cancer,heart disease,etc, at 6am or so.

Thanks though Really

[DJA]

Please pinpoint what you mean:

If I'm required to pin the tail on the map,the correct map needs to be supplied.

[Leanne]

If I'm required to pin the tail on the map,the correct map needs to be supplied.

OK, supply it please. Print it out, add some dots, scan it, save it then post it here.....please.

[DJA]

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OK,you know where 32 Flower and Dean Street was.

6,7 and 8 Fashion Street was a Jewish charity that ran a soup kitchen out the back. Just count them back from the corner.

PH on the other corner is The Queen's Head where Stride drank with Elizabeth Tanner,and George Hutchinson was allegedly passed by Mary Kelly and "A man".

[c.d.]

Was it also a coincidence that Mary Kelly had not paid rent since the double event!

There were probably a number of Whitechapel residents including other residents of Miller Court who had not paid rent since the double event. So yes, I think it is a coincidence.

c.d.

[DJA]

Guess sum of 'em were evicted an' had to live under a bridge.

[c.d.]

For those who think these women did not "scam", their very prostitution was a "Scam". Most of these women were too old, wasted, and lowdown to attract any "client" with their minds in their (upper) heads. Poverty and desperation were the running topics of Whitechapel theme park, circa 1888.

Hello Lipsky,

They might not have been attractive but apparently they were cheap and available. And I doubt that the average male worker employed in a low paying menial job in Whitechapel could afford a high class call girl.

c.d.

[Leanne]

NAME AND AGE

Mary Jane Kelly 25

Mary Ann Cox 31

Martha Tabram 39

Emma Smith 45

Mary Ann Nichols 43

Annie Chapman 46

Elizabeth Stride 44

Catherine Eddowes 46

Annie Farmer 40

Rose Mylett 29

Elizabeth Jackson 24

Alice McKenzie 39

Frances Coles 25

Mary Ann Connelly 50

Julia Venturney 47

Luisa Smith 35

Elizabeth Burns ?

average

38.0 years

[DJA]

Mary Ann Kelly 29