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  • Leanne
    started a topic Kate's Last Half Hour

    Kate's Last Half Hour

    INSPECTOR COLLARD ITEMIZED KATE’S CLOTHING AND POSSESSIONS, AT THE CRIME SCENE:

    WEARING:

    ‘Black straw bonnet trimmed in green and black velvet with black beads. Black strings, worn tied to the head.

    Black cloth jacket trimmed around the collar and cuffs with imitation fur and around the pockets in black silk braid and fur. Large metal buttons.

    Dark green chintz skirt, 3 flounces, brown button on waistband. The skirt is patterned with Michaelmas daisies and golden lilies.

    Man's white vest, matching buttons down front.

    Brown linsey bodice, black velvet collar with brown buttons down front

    Grey stuff petticoat with white waistband

    Very old green alpaca skirt (worn as undergarment)

    Very old ragged blue skirt with red flounces, light twill lining (worn as undergarment)

    White calico chemise

    No drawers or stays

    Pair of men's lace up boots, mohair laces. Right boot repaired with red thread

    1 piece of red gauze silk worn as a neckerchief

    1 large white pocket handkerchief

    1 large white cotton handkerchief with red and white bird's eye border

    2 unbleached calico pockets, tape strings

    1 blue stripe bed ticking pocket

    Brown ribbed knee stockings, darned at the feet with white cotton



    POSSESSIONS:

    2 small blue bags made of bed ticking

    2 short black clay pipes

    1 tin box containing tea

    1 tin box containing sugar

    1 tin matchbox, empty

    12 pieces white rag, some slightly bloodstained

    1 piece coarse linen, white

    1 piece of blue and white shirting, 3 cornered

    1 piece red flannel with pins and needles

    6 pieces soap

    1 small tooth comb

    1 white handle table knife

    1 metal teaspoon

    1 red leather cigarette case with white metal fittings

    1 ball hemp

    1 piece of old white apron with repair

    Several buttons and a thimble

    Mustard tin containing two pawn tickets, One in the name of Emily Birrell, 52 White's Row, dated August 31, 9d for a man's flannel shirt. The other is in the name of Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset Street and dated September 28, 2S for a pair of men's boots. Both addresses are false.

    Printed handbill and according to a press report- a printed card for 'Frank Carter,305, Bethnal Green Road

    Portion of a pair of spectacles

    1 red mitten

    (NOTICE THAT THE PIECE OF WHITE APRON WAS LISTED AMOUNST HER POSSESSIONS. NOT HER CLOTHING, AND A CHEMISE IS NOT AN APRON)

  • MrBarnett
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    Pearly Poll and Alice McKenzie were both around 34.

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  • DJA
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    Mary Ann Kelly 29

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  • Leanne
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    NAME AND AGE

    Mary Jane Kelly 25
    Mary Ann Cox 31
    Martha Tabram 39
    Emma Smith 45
    Mary Ann Nichols 43
    Annie Chapman 46
    Elizabeth Stride 44
    Catherine Eddowes 46
    Annie Farmer 40
    Rose Mylett 29
    Elizabeth Jackson 24
    Alice McKenzie 39
    Frances Coles 25
    Mary Ann Connelly 50
    Julia Venturney 47
    Luisa Smith 35
    Elizabeth Burns ?
    average
    38.0 years

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  • c.d.
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    For those who think these women did not "scam", their very prostitution was a "Scam". Most of these women were too old, wasted, and lowdown to attract any "client" with their minds in their (upper) heads. Poverty and desperation were the running topics of Whitechapel theme park, circa 1888.

    Hello Lipsky,

    They might not have been attractive but apparently they were cheap and available. And I doubt that the average male worker employed in a low paying menial job in Whitechapel could afford a high class call girl.

    c.d.

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  • DJA
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    Guess sum of 'em were evicted an' had to live under a bridge.

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  • c.d.
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Was it also a coincidence that Mary Kelly had not paid rent since the double event!
    There were probably a number of Whitechapel residents including other residents of Miller Court who had not paid rent since the double event. So yes, I think it is a coincidence.

    c.d.

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  • DJA
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    Whitechapel_Flower_and_Dean_St.jpg (JPEG Image, 1212 × 791 pixels)

    OK,you know where 32 Flower and Dean Street was.

    6,7 and 8 Fashion Street was a Jewish charity that ran a soup kitchen out the back. Just count them back from the corner.

    PH on the other corner is The Queen's Head where Stride drank with Elizabeth Tanner,and George Hutchinson was allegedly passed by Mary Kelly and "A man".




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  • Leanne
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    If I'm required to pin the tail on the map,the correct map needs to be supplied.
    OK, supply it please. Print it out, add some dots, scan it, save it then post it here.....please.

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Leanne View Post
    Please pinpoint what you mean:
    Click image for larger version Name:	FOSSAN ESTATE 1888.jpg Views:	2 Size:	160.9 KB ID:	656873
    If I'm required to pin the tail on the map,the correct map needs to be supplied.

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Leanne View Post
    And show us where Joseph BARNETT said he and Kate returned from KENT.
    Oops

    Sorta thing happens when in one's 70s,bedridden due to cancer,heart disease,etc, at 6am or so.

    Thanks though Really

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  • DJA
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    Missed a bit Leanne,

    26 Dorset Street in 1881:

    Head: John Death aged 25 born Mile End - Umbrella frame maker
    Wife: Alice Death aged 24 born Blackfriars
    Children:
    John William aged 5 born Spitalfields
    Emma aged 3 born Birmingham
    Joseph A aged 2 born London

    Head: Henry Pound aged 37 born Mile End - Bricklayer
    Wife: Ann Pound aged 34 born Spitalfields - Dressmaker

    Head: William Jones aged 32 born London - Boot and shoe maker
    Wife: Janey Jones aged 27 born Poplar - Washerwoman

    Head: George Wood aged 40 born Lambeth - Carman
    Wife: Janey Wood aged 42 born Scotland

    Head: Thomas Paine aged 28 born Epping - Fish smoker
    Wife: Kate Paine aged 35 born Epping - Stay maker

    No 13 Miller's Court in 1881,according to Chis Scott,was still considered part of the house,although sub let.
    Last edited by DJA; 09-05-2019, 11:59 AM.

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  • Leanne
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    From 1861 and possibly as Miller's Rents from circa 1851 when three residences were listed in the census.

    The parlor that was to become number 13 was obviously tagged on sometime after the other 6 buildings/12 residences had been built.

    No doubt Michael is correct.

    Crikey,you're a long way off course for someone who wanted to limit this thread to Eddowes.
    Millers Court 1881

    1 Millers Court
    Head: Charles Green aged 34 born Stepney - Labourer
    Wife: Mary A Green aged 29 born Shoreditch
    Boarders:
    Robert Brown aged 21 born Chobham - Hawker
    Louisa Wood aged 20 born Blackfriars

    2 Millers Court
    Head: Alfred Smith aged 44 born Bethnal Green - Butcher
    Wife: Elizabeth Smith aged 39 born Hounslow
    Daughter: Mary Ann aged 11 born Mile End
    Boarders:
    William Whitehead aged 18 born Southampton - Hawker
    Emma Polard aged 17 born Middlesex
    Alfred Whitehead aged 16 born Southampton

    3 Millers Court
    Boarders:
    Barney Lipman aged 21 born Middlesex - Fish porter
    Sophia Palmer aged 27 born Cambridgeshire
    Thomas Carey aged 27 born Bromley - Labourer
    Annie Shay aged 20 born India
    Nelly Shay aged 17 born India - Boot binder

    4 Millers Court
    Head: Lawrence McDonald aged 22 born Bethnal Green - Labourer in gas factory
    Wife: Sarah McDonald aged 27 born Kings Cross

    Head: Eliza Carlsin (Widow) aged 40 born Dublin
    Children:
    Kate aged 12 born Spitalfields
    Charles James aged 10 months born Spitalfields

    5 Millers Court
    Head: Cornelius Hoaks aged 23 born Spitalfields - Hawker
    Wife: Agnes Hoaks aged 21 born Spitalfields

    Head: Elizabeth James aged 36 born Kent - Needlewoman
    Boarder:
    Alfred B Knight aged 3 months born Spitalfields

    6 Millers Court
    Head: Frederick Smith aged 41 born Clerkenwell - Gold beater
    Wife: Ellen Smith aged 38 born Clerkenwell - Laundress

    Head: Edward Tagg aged 36 born Clerkenwell - Glass blower
    Wife: Sarah A Tagg aged 36 born Dublin
    Children:
    Cecilia aged 16 born Camberwell
    Thomas aged 15 born Blackfriars

    THANKS CHRIS SCOTT

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  • Leanne
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    And show us where Joseph BARNETT said he and Kate returned from KENT.

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  • Leanne
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    Please pinpoint what you mean:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	FOSSAN ESTATE 1888.jpg Views:	2 Size:	160.9 KB ID:	656873

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