Lechmere validity

[FrankO]

You've probably already covered this, but didn't PC Neil say that he was going from Thomas St to Buck's Row when he found the body? Or was that just his or the press' way of indicating direction?

Hi Joshua,

In addition to what Steve writes in his last sentence in post #510, there's also the possibility I described in post #481.

All the best,
Frank

[Abby Normal]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

[Harry D]

Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?

[Joshua Rogan]

Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?

There is this one, but it needs expanding a bit...

https://www.casebook.org/victims/polly.crossneil.html

[Cogidubnus]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

There's a very interesting breakdown of just this in Steve's brand new (today) book...

[FrankO]

so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?

If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.

[Harry D]

If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.

Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums

[Abby Normal]

Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums

hi frank and harry
thanks! and yes it does

[Cogidubnus]

And after examination of all the alternatives, Wood's Buildings is indeed one of Steve's more favoured routes...

[Elamarna]

If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.

or Court Street at a push, but i do prefer Woods Buildings.

Steve

[Abby Normal]

or Court Street at a push, but i do prefer Woods Buildings.

Steve

hi el
yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
picked the correct escape route
didn't run into any of the police
lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
nor yell bloody murder
ripper missed neils beat
by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

it really is amazing.

[Elamarna]

hi el
yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
picked the correct escape route
didn't run into any of the police
lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
nor yell bloody murder
ripper missed neils beat
by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

it really is amazing.

i think there is a very good chance that the killer had left sometime before Lech arrived, if it wasn't him, that is.
And i am not going to exclude him,i think its highly unlikely, but he cannot be ruled out.

i think most serial killer probably are very lucky, thats how they get away with it often.


Steve

[Harry D]

heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
picked the correct escape route
didn't run into any of the police
lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
nor yell bloody murder
ripper missed neils beat
by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

If he wasn't lucky, we wouldn't be talking about him today.

[FrankO]

hi el
yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
picked the correct escape route
didn't run into any of the police
lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
nor yell bloody murder
ripper missed neils beat
by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

it really is amazing.

Indeed Abby, it's about as amazing how lucky Lechmere was if he was the killer.

[Abby Normal]

Indeed Abby, it's about as amazing how lucky Lechmere was if he was the killer.

Yes! Either way!