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  • Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
    You've probably already covered this, but didn't PC Neil say that he was going from Thomas St to Buck's Row when he found the body? Or was that just his or the press' way of indicating direction?
    Hi Joshua,

    In addition to what Steve writes in his last sentence in post #510, there's also the possibility I described in post #481.

    All the best,
    Frank
    "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
    Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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    • so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?

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        • Originally posted by Harry D View Post
          Couldn't some create an animated reconstruction of Lech/police/killer's movements?
          There is this one, but it needs expanding a bit...

          https://www.casebook.org/victims/polly.crossneil.html

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          • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
            so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?
            There's a very interesting breakdown of just this in Steve's brand new (today) book...

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            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              so where were the police then at the moment(lets go with 3:40 ) lech scared off the ripper and he made his escape undetected by anyone? and what his most likely escape route?
              If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.
              Last edited by FrankO; 06-04-2019, 09:02 AM.
              "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
              Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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              • Originally posted by FrankO View Post

                If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.
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                Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

                Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums

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                • Originally posted by Harry D View Post

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                  Oooo, that's got Ripper escape written all over it!

                  Credit Richard Deziel @ JTRForums
                  hi frank and harry
                  thanks! and yes it does
                  "Is all that we see or seem
                  but a dream within a dream?"

                  -Edgar Allan Poe


                  "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                  quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                  -Frederick G. Abberline

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                  • And after examination of all the alternatives, Wood's Buildings is indeed one of Steve's more favoured routes...

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                    • Originally posted by FrankO View Post

                      If Neil was actually in the upper part of Queen Ann Street when Lechmere & Paul passed Queen Ann St. on their way to Mizen, then my guess would be that Neil was somewhere in Thomas Street when the Ripper left Nichols' body on hearing Lechmere at the Brady Street end. The most sensible route would seem via Wood's Buildings into Whitechapel Road. Since no alarm would be raised for at least a minute or so before Lechmere would reach the body, there would be no reason for the Ripper to be 'detected' either during that time and after that he would be quite safely in Whitechapel Road.
                      or Court Street at a push, but i do prefer Woods Buildings.

                      Steve

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                      • Originally posted by Elamarna View Post

                        or Court Street at a push, but i do prefer Woods Buildings.

                        Steve
                        hi el
                        yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


                        heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
                        picked the correct escape route
                        didn't run into any of the police
                        lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
                        nor yell bloody murder
                        ripper missed neils beat
                        by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

                        what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

                        it really is amazing.

                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


                        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                        -Frederick G. Abberline

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                        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                          hi el
                          yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


                          heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
                          picked the correct escape route
                          didn't run into any of the police
                          lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
                          nor yell bloody murder
                          ripper missed neils beat
                          by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

                          what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

                          it really is amazing.
                          i think there is a very good chance that the killer had left sometime before Lech arrived, if it wasn't him, that is.
                          And i am not going to exclude him,i think its highly unlikely, but he cannot be ruled out.

                          i think most serial killer probably are very lucky, thats how they get away with it often.


                          Steve

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                          • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                            heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
                            picked the correct escape route
                            didn't run into any of the police
                            lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
                            nor yell bloody murder
                            ripper missed neils beat
                            by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.
                            If he wasn't lucky, we wouldn't be talking about him today.

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                            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                              hi el
                              yeah those look good for escape routes and apparently also not to run into one of the police. man he was lucky.


                              heard lech and bolted before lech saw or even heard him
                              picked the correct escape route
                              didn't run into any of the police
                              lech and paul didn't see the neck cut
                              nor yell bloody murder
                              ripper missed neils beat
                              by the time lech/paul reach mizzen and neil also finds the body, the ripper is well on his way safely away from the scene.

                              what did sugden say? the luck always ran with the ripper. and the police officer (forgotwho)- I am amazed at the mans elusiveness.

                              it really is amazing.
                              Indeed Abby, it's about as amazing how lucky Lechmere was if he was the killer.
                              "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
                              Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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                              • Originally posted by FrankO View Post
                                Indeed Abby, it's about as amazing how lucky Lechmere was if he was the killer.
                                Yes! Either way!
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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