Serial Killers, A pattern???

[corey123]

Well no I neither believe that the objective they see is the one and I also dont believe Llewellyns observations to be credable.

I said that the doctors believed the objective to be the same, and I asked you on what evidence did they assume such a thing??

Sorry if the wording was confusing.

And yes those three are, but you asked and I told you a constent trait.
Ok, to be a good sport, heres another.
Lets discard stride for a moment, another constent trait it disembowlment.

Not a very commen apsect in many murders.

yours truly.

p.s I know the employment theory has never been proven but I adopt it because it is the most likely.

[Phil Carter]

Mike,

I dont think he ran by a schedual.
The killer was more than likely right handed, because the only Doctor the suppose the killer was left handed was Llewelyn.

A killer doesnt kill the exact same way each time so I can remove questions 2 and 3.

he was a Lust murderer, which doesnt mean anything sexual at all, only that they attack the sexual reproductive organs.
And he may have been a sexual sadist, which then no intercoarse is necissary.
About them being strangers we cant answer that question without the killer himself.

The doctors at the inquest believe, if I am correct, that the objective was the same. my question for you is on what evidence??Organ harvisting may be that killer wanted to take trophies. Not enough to pin a motive.

The dates of the murders point to an employed killer.

There are many reasons to why he may have stopped, serial killers can just stop killing. Usualy if they feel they are too close to detection or he died. I doubt he commited suicide.

the constent trait is they are all women of the same class dying the same way, a cut throat.

Hello Corey,

The consistant trait is they are all women of the same class dying of a cut throat?

... McKenzie, Coles, Farmer all did as well!!

The dates of the murders point to an employed killer.

That has NEVER been proven nor disproven. It is supposition.

A killer doesnt kill the exact same way each time....

Bundy... VERY similar actually, and I don't have to name more killers of the serial variety to prove that point.

The doctors at the inquest believe, if I am correct, that the objective was the same....

Excuse me for perhaps being picky, but you first question Llewellyn's evidence as different from the other doctors and reject it, then cite that the doctors evidence re the objective is the same, and accept that. Again, excuse me, but that's playing "hop on what fits your theory" isnt it?

respectfully,

best wishes

Phil

[corey123]

Well no because I have no clue what or where it is???

[DVV]

Dont know where that is??

Yes. No.

[corey123]

Mike,

I dont think he ran by a schedual.
The killer was more than likely right handed, because the only Doctor the suppose the killer was left handed was Llewelyn.

A killer doesnt kill the exact same way each time so I can remove questions 2 and 3.

he was a Lust murderer, which doesnt mean anything sexual at all, only that they attack the sexual reproductive organs.
And he may have been a sexual sadist, which then no intercoarse is necissary.
About them being strangers we cant answer that question without the killer himself.

The doctors at the inquest believe, if I am correct, that the objective was the same. my question for you is on what evidence??Organ harvisting may be that killer wanted to take trophies. Not enough to pin a motive.

The dates of the murders point to an employed killer.

There are many reasons to why he may have stopped, serial killers can just stop killing. Usualy if they feel they are too close to detection or he died. I doubt he commited suicide.

the constent trait is they are all women of the same class dying the same way, a cut throat.

[corey123]

Phil,

I am new to the forum and havent had the chance outside of it to even discuss ripperology so, yes, Mike is the first one who I have heard suppose that theory.

And your right, serial killing isnt the answer for everything.
My own opinion of Stride is very tipsy as well.

I dont go by "majority opinion".
To me the murders are TOO similar, TOO close in proximity, and TOO close in date to be disimilar.

But I have alway checked upon the theory that supposes three killers, I have an open mind. I, however, tend to stray away from that opinion however.

I am afraid it would be hard to convince me otherwise, weather it is the work of the "Blood creature" or not.

Not ment to offend any of you guys just saying what I think.

yours truly

Mike,

I dont even know how to reply to that.

The idea that it is the work of a serial killer is no theory. It should be obvious.

And you are the first one that I have heard of using the "opinion" that there might be three murderers.

So what do we call it then, if not a theory you believe?

And there is many data saying it is a serial murder. Which I am very tired ot typing them over and over again.

I have no problem with your and others opinion Mike.

And Yes I like this thread to stay on a certain topic. But however I dont mind it evolving any. So please do continue.

And about my "theory" of my "blood creature" why dont you try a look at the victims some more.

And I reject what is least likely and im sad to say for what you guys have brought forth so far is not enough to prove it isnt the work of my "blood creature".

p.s I like the new name.

I would definitely agree that the evidence required to prove such allegations as the ones Ive made is far from "Case Closed"...they are merely signposts, and a misread might mean you end up in Romford for the day, instead of focused on the facts in the case. And you do realize that a theory without fact is opinion, right?

For these to be crimes that we can see in some evidence were committed by the same man, I assume you feel these questions are already answered...

1. Was he left handed, right handed or likely ambi-dexterous?
2. Did he always cut the throat in the same direction, and from the same location?
3. Did he use different knives?
4. Since no sexual element was discovered as having occurred during the attack/murders and/or mutilations, what precisely does he suffer from, and were these sexual crimes without a sexual act?
5. Were they all strangers to him?
6. What prevented him from killing more each night, or more frequently?
7. I assume he is either killed or caught if your assumptions are based on modern serial killer stats, which is it?
8. Does he exhibit any consistent traits throughout the Fall?
9. The doctors who gave evidence at the Nichols Inquest surmised that her killer and Annie Chapmans killer shared the same ultimate objective, why are no other Canonical murders observed with similar comments?
10. What dictates his schedule, or, for example, why doesnt he ever kill on Wednesdays?

Best regards

[Phil Carter]

Mike,



The idea that it is the work of a serial killer is no theory. It should be obvious.

And you are the first one that I have heard of using the "opinion" that there might be three murderers.

And there is many data saying it is a serial murder. Which I am very tired ot typing them over and over again.


And Yes I like this thread to stay on a certain topic. But however I dont mind it evolving any. So please do continue.

Hello Corey,

1) Serial killers are not always the answer to every multiple murder of the like kind. Even IF these murders (and you list 6) were true likenesses in every way, which they are not.

2) There have been many in the past who have said 3 murderers. Tabram's killer, Stride's and a.n.other. There are grave doubts about Stride in the canonical 5, and the sway of current opinion is towards her NOT being of the same hand as of the other 4 canonical victims. Kelly is also under question, by established Ripperologists of repute.

3) Yes, and more and more people, of repute, question this, as it (the canonical 5) was based on ONE man's (Macnaghten's) opinion, who based it on Dr. Bond's opinion, who only ever saw, first hand ONE victim. That same man, Magnaghten, gave us Druitt, without any proof at all. I therefore question his ability to reason soundly.

4) You could have fooled me after the banta that has been spread over nearly two pages!

best wishes and a Happy New Year,

Phil

[corey123]

Dont know where that is??

[DVV]

Ah, please,

it's enough to know you're a man, and even a bearded man...
Any plan to settle in Tora-Bora?

[corey123]

Im not saying Im not christian,

just not a regular reader of the Bible.

[DVV]

david,

So that has what to do with my name???

Heavens!

One tries his best to save one soul, and gets kicked in the mouth...

[corey123]

david,

So that has what to do with my name???

[corey123]

Mike,

I dont even know how to reply to that.

The idea that it is the work of a serial killer is no theory. It should be obvious.

And you are the first one that I have heard of using the "opinion" that there might be three murderers.

So what do we call it then, if not a theory you believe?

And there is many data saying it is a serial murder. Which I am very tired ot typing them over and over again.

I have no problem with your and others opinion Mike.

And Yes I like this thread to stay on a certain topic. But however I dont mind it evolving any. So please do continue.

And about my "theory" of my "blood creature" why dont you try a look at the victims some more.

And I reject what is least likely and im sad to say for what you guys have brought forth so far is not enough to prove it isnt the work of my "blood creature".

p.s I like the new name.

[DVV]

Mike,
the mood was like that...
Our posts do have a date...

De tout mon coeur,
Meilleurs voeux,
David