Serial Killers, A pattern???

[corey123]

Mike,

Enough of this on my thread.
Make your own one for this theory.

Which I am about sick of argueing about.

The five murders have NOT been Unproven and still may be all connected.

It is the manner of opinion.

It beats me why you think a killer must kill EXACTLY the way they do EVERY SINGLE TIME.

EACH of the FIVE murders are VERY EXTREAMILY SIMILAR with some differences and you refuse to see that.

We, David and I see a serial killers, Many people scratch that most people on this forum see a serial killer. Experts of criminology see a serial killer.

It is our opinion and if you wish to argue over it make another thread but this one is for those who think the murders to be the work of a serial killer.

Thank you

[DVV]

Ah, my dear Mike,

I don't have any C5... Just one WM, aka JtR, aka the murderer of Annie Chapman and some other women before and after her... How many ? I don't know exactly... 4 at least, most probably 6, perharps seven.
The Devil knows.

Amitiés Mike,
Tous mes voeux,
David

A l'an qué vèn, e se sian pas mai, qué sichen pas mens...!

David,

Seems like you believe that you have a handle on this serial killer of 5, no more no less, the only thing I can say is you have my congratulations.....121 years and no connective threads to one man as the killer,... but youve found one. For myself, I cannot believe any premise that would conclude with a solo Jack the Ripper killing the Canonical Group because there is nothing I have seen in any evidence that would support that conclusion,... so I guess Ill have to pass on the celebrations.

When there are possible motives for some of those crimes that have credence in either the physical or the circumstantial evidence, or both....I can only assume it must be conjecture that closes those gaps and points to a single bloodthirsty fiend.

In so many ways I am shocked at the defense of this notion since clearly its been unprovable since day one, and its only a heartbeat away from our top hatted, Gladstone carrying Toff urban legend.....which is also a non starter, as its clearly fiction.

Comparing what was happening in those neighborhoods with serial sexual predators data in the modern era is common round here....no doubt....what isnt so clear is what if any value those observations may have in revealing truths about these cases.

Each murder in the Canon is unique in some form, the closest matches are the first 2, however the possible motives are not necessarily unique at all, nor are they the same in each case necessarily.

Of course for the Canon argument to work, a 2 second tussle and choke that ends with a single artery severing is closely related by motive to the complete evisceration of the abdomen of a corpse......because we all know that why killers kill almost certainly doesnt change within any length of murder series,.... dont we?

Or do we? Id certainly be interested in knowing about a serial killer who changed the reason for killing throughout his "series"...changed his/her motives for committing the crime....to my knowledge that would be a very, very rare case.

Because we have circumstantial and physical evidence and professional opinion that suggests that C1 and C2 were probably killed so the killer could take the organ that is only successfully taken from the 2nd victim....we only know that C3's killer wanted her dead, and in the last 2 cases knife acts that have no purpose and with no prior appearance are repeated. No one ever claimed Kate of Mary were killed for the organs taken from them.....because its obvious that the evidence doesnt suggest that as it does in the first 2 murders.

Taking an organ in and of itself is only indicative of a link....why the organ was taken is whats truly important.

In C4 and C5 the organs may have been taken simply because it would be expected....not because the killer had desires that included them, or that he was focused on them. The killer in C1 and C2 was focused......clearly.

Best regards and Happy New Year!!

[DVV]

Corey,

one has to be brave to get the Truth.
Indeed, some go to Lhassa on their knees.

Tomorrow 6.
Or private message!
Pas d'arrangements!

Amitiés,
David

[corey123]

You want it ?
Rendez-vous at the Calypso, tomorrow morning, around 6.
PM me if if you're unlucky enough to live far from my village.
If not, there will be a red flower on my wideawake.

Amitiés,
David

There you lost me.

I dont think I live near you.

Now Im confused?

[DVV]

David,

That conclusion is????(drumb rolls )

You want it ?
Rendez-vous at the Calypso, tomorrow morning, around 6.
PM me if if you're unlucky enough to live far from my village.
If not, there will be a red flower on my wideawake.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Hello Corey. Sorry to have taken your time.

Shutting up now.

The best.
LC

Hi Lynn,

Keep the window open.
Remember Packer.

Amitiés,
David

[corey123]

David,

That conclusion is????(drumb rolls )

SERIAL KILLER

Do you agree David???

[DVV]

We will never reach a conclusion

yours truly

I think we already have the conclusion.

Not to say all is clear. The question of the victims is far more difficult to that of the WM ID.

Amitiés
David

[corey123]

lynn,

No worrys,

I just hate arguing pointlesly on a subject that we will never resolve peacefully on,

So I wish to stop such arguements.

I would LOVE to answer all your questions on another thread(ON the topic).

good luck my friend.

[lynn cates]

ciao

Hello Corey. Sorry to have taken your time.

Shutting up now.

The best.
LC

[DVV]

Phil,

Your cognac is fake. Is there VSOP on the bottle ?

Mike,

what you said the murders have in common does strongly point to one killer.
Just compare to Sutcliff, Kemper, Kurten, or other *******s..

Amitiés all
David

[corey123]

I think this is enough about killers.

This thread is about a SERIAL KILLER.

You think the way you guys think,

And I and the rest who think its the work of a SERIAL KILLER can think what we think.

Please do make another thread for this.

This isnt just for narcisism but a serial killer, possibally with naricissm.

Many points are about narcissism.

But apart from that I respect your views but believe this isnt the place to argue about them. Maybe it is the place to say them, but not to spend all our time argueing till the day ends.

We will never reach a conclusion, we will still think the work of a serial killer and you will still think what you think.

yours truly

[Phil Carter]

Corey,

Respectfully.
I am not getting into a slanging match over this, but if your thread is allowed to diversify and revolve into JUST narcissistic connections to a serial killer only, then take a look back and strike out many many postings that have nothing or little to do with that alone.

The point of this comment is interpretation. And I happen to interpret Serial Killers, A pattern? in other ways than just the thought of narcism. I see other patterns, outside a lone serial killer, within the case of JTR.

I dont disagree about Ted Bundy et al. Not one bit. But I have grave doubts that THIS case produced a lone, narcissistic serial killer and a pattern to fit. Based on the surrounding evidence attached to the crimes, the area, the policemen, the social temperature, the political atmosphere, the IN SITU problems with Anarchists, Fenians, and the utter garbage we have been force fed through the years presented by SENIOR policemen. And Anderson is responsible for much of it. The Fenian-buster in charge of the JTR case.

It is time to think outside the box. The same blasted box that has got us nowhere for 121 years. The same box that has presented us with a lone killer. Narcissistic or not. It doesnt help to answer the hundreds of questions about this case. Jack the Ripper, the name itself is an invention! And I maintain that it, the "putting into a box, sealed, A RIPPER" CLOUDS thinking from point ONE.

Respectfully, and with

best wishes

Phil

Which is far better than neglecting everything the murders have in common.

Amitiés,
David

David,

The only things all 5 murders have in common is that the victims were women who on occasion solicited for room and board money, the less than 1 square mile they were committed within, that a knife was used, and that they all were committed during the Fall of 1888.

3 of 5 were lying down unable to resist before a knife is even used, 2 were attacked with a knife and 1 was cut one while falling, 4 are middle aged... 1 is mid twenties, 4 were outdoors... 1 is indoors, 3 donate organs....only 2 organs taken are the same, 2 had facial wounds....the rest did not, 1 is taken apart.... 3 are disemboweled and mutilated...one has a single throat cut, 2 were known to have been soliciting at the time...2 we are not sure of their activities.... and 1 was in bed likely sleeping, some were choked..... some likely not, 4 had abdominal injuries....1 had none, .......

If you really believe some of the tripe that you've let slip by when you've challenged the more cogent points, then you might as well add Alice, because she fits in ideally with the above, and likely Martha because the killer you're looking for is apt to commit any sort of murder......which suggests that maybe you should also add the Torso's....and Ada.

I cant see why you would exclude them if you feel the 5 Canonicals represent 1 killers habits. If that true, anything short of horse theft should be potentially applicable.

I wonder how unnecessarily complicated one must continue to make these crimes in order for a feasible single killer theory to prevail....Jack, killer of 8? 10? 14?

In terms of physical evidence alone, only 3 Canonicals can be reasonably grouped, 1 with an asterisk,....and circumstantial evidence that suggests that C1-C2 and C4-C5 might have some connections aside from their wounds.

Someone once did me a favor and suggested that the murders should be viewed as they occurred. With the accompanying Police references and press coverage. One by one, as they occur. And the resulting investigation and perception changes that transpired should be considered.

At no time did ongoing investigations into the criminal who first appeared in Bucks Row include a fired Teacher/Barrister, at no time did it suggest a petty thief who was incarcerated at the time in France, and at no time did the crimes suggest any specific ethnicity or social class for the killer. Nor did the crimes suggest a well connected derriere stabber.

Yet 3 live on today as viable Suspects. Based on a 1894 memo?

The crimes were independent then, and now, and all are still.....after 121 years of beating a serial killer bush....unsolved murders by person or persons UNKNOWN.

Best regards