JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

I thought that I’d make a suggestion to help Fishy avoid the taxing effort of cutting and pasting the entirety of Gil Jesus’s website onto here by posting this link.

https://gil-jesus.com/:2thumbsup:

No need to thank me.

And by the way, the answer to the question on the link is…yes he was.

[FrankO]

The Zapruder film is treated like a buffet table by conspiracy theorists Frank. They believe that the head movement (ignoring the forward movement of course) proves that there was a shot from the front despite an army of experts explaining to the contrary and yet when it’s pointed out that the film clearly shows that there was no wound to the back of Kennedy’s head they shout “fake!”

Yes Mike, I find it hard to understand how some can use the Z-film in support of a point they want to make and then, when that very point is countered by something or some things that is/are to be seen in that film, they say they trust other evidence over the film, that some frame or other is not what it looks like or try to make some point by stating that it was only 18.3 frames per second.

If the film is to be fake or tampered with, then, indeed, why did they leave in the initial forward movement of the president's head immediately after the fatal shot, why didn’t they erase Connally’s right hand & hat after frame 224 or instead add blood on his hand? Why not go all the way with it while they were at it?

[Fiver]

He had been side lined by JFK who was intent on breaking up his beloved CIA. After the assassination the CIA could act with impunity.

Dulles had been sidelined, but JFK was not intent on breaking up the CIA. The CIA did not act with impunity under LBJ, McCone quit because LBJ wouldn't listen when the CIA said the bombing in Vietnam was not working and expanding the war would be a good idea.

[Fiver]

Feel free to use the browser device on your internet connection. Not that McCloy's conversion should be much of a problem for WC disciples. Better a sinner who repents after all.

Thanks for admitting you have no evidence that McCloy was initially skeptical about the Lone Gunman theory.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes Mike, I find it hard to understand how some can use the Z-film in support of a point they want to make and then, when that very point is countered by something or some things that is/are to be seen in that film, they say they trust other evidence over the film, that some frame or other is not what it looks like or try to make some point by stating that it was only 18.3 frames per second.

If the film is to be fake or tampered with, then, indeed, why did they leave in the initial forward movement of the president's head immediately after the fatal shot, why didn’t they erase Connally’s right hand & hat after frame 224 or instead add blood on his hand? Why not go all the way with it while they were at it?

It makes no sense at all Frank. The wound at the side of the President’s is clearly visible but there is none at the back of his head. That should be an end to all discussion of a rear head wound. Witnesses are fallible, film isn’t. But in this case conspiracy theorists turn this logic on its head and desperately claim that witnesses were correct (at least a % of them were. The ones that didn’t agree were mistaken of course) but the film footage lies and they do this whilst saddled on the highest of horses. They suggest that we are the gullible ones for favouring the technology over human senses and memory.

[Patrick Differ]

Using advanced technology today, not even dreamed of in 1963 , to prove an event that took place in 1963 is a lie!
Despite advanced engineering and the fact that the technology is proven, the government is always right. Rubbish and technology averse.

80% of Americans believe that its government lied to them regarding JFK, RFK and MLK. The 60s affected those of us who grew up in that America. It included 58,000 who died in Vietnam as a result of that assassination. Including personal friends and neighbors. Americans have skin in this game.

it did not help that the government hid information. That only grew the suspicion. The WC pushed one outcome and never entertained others. Their word was good enough. But then 2 others RFK and MLK were murdered...again by some " lone nut", That only grew suspicion.

The worst outcome was Vietnam. 58000 deaths. While those on this post may think this is about- whether Oswald did it or not, is really not the issue at all.

The issue is whether the government lied about all 3 murders and whether these 58000 deaths could have been prevented.

Americans have historically never trusted government. That is even more true in 2025.

Peace

[Fiver]

Your understanding of how a conspiracy works may not be comprehensive. The impersonation of Oswald was a bit more than an unfortunate student prank. The point of the bogus call was establish a link between Oswald and the KGB, specifically an officer called Kostikov from memory, who was allegedly head of an assassination unit. The fact this 'prank' call took place around two months before the JFK assassination speaks for itself. It also suggests the fake caller was aware that US intelligence intercepted and recorded calls made to foreign embassies in Mexico City. This indicates inside knowledge by the conspirators.

Oswald met Kostikov at the Soviet Embassy. Kostikov and other employees at the Soviet Embassy have said so. So faking a phone call to the Embassy was unnecessary and shows incompetence by the Conspirators.

[Fiver]

Using advanced technology today, not even dreamed of in 1963 , to prove an event that took place in 1963 is a lie!
Despite advanced engineering and the fact that the technology is proven, the government is always right. Rubbish and technology averse.

Advanced technology has repeatedly proven that the photographs were real, the ballistics were real, the fingerprints were real, and the x-rays were real. Yet Conspiracists cling to a Conspiracy that was so good at forging evidence that they could fool technologies that weren't invented yet, yet so stupid that they needed to forge evidence.

[Fiver]

80% of Americans believe that its government lied to them regarding JFK, RFK and MLK.

Reality is not an opinion poll.

And your numbers are wrong. 50% of Americans believe in a conspiracy. 28% believe Oswald acted alone. 22% didn't know.

And of those who believe there was a conspiracy, 43% believe the US government was involved.

[Fiver]

The worst outcome was Vietnam. 58000 deaths. While those on this post may think this is about- whether Oswald did it or not, is really not the issue at all.

Again, the myth that JFK wouldn't have escalated the war in Vietnam. This was the President whose brinksmanship led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[FrankO]

Neither am I, but Michael Haag and Luke Haag are.

NOVA has a good documentary.

I had seen it before, but thanks for posting it, Fiver. It's indeed a good documentary.

[cobalt]

Dulles had been sidelined, but JFK was not intent on breaking up the CIA.

The best known quote is JFK vowing to break the CIA 'into a thousand pieces.' A massive undertaking which was not possible during his first term so was put on the back burner. Had JFK been re-elected in 1964 then he presumably would have made some moves to curb its influence.

The CIA did not act with impunity under LBJ, McCone quit because LBJ wouldn't listen when the CIA said the bombing in Vietnam was not working and expanding the war would be a good idea.

Of course the CIA acted with impunity post the assassination, as did the FBI. When the Head of State is assassinated in public in any country then the sacking of senior security officials, even if only for public consumption, inevitably follows. This did not happen in the USA in 1963/64 which indicates the confidence Johnson retained in those who had overseen his rise to power.
As for expanding the war, I think McCone was instrumental in making Laos the most bombed country on the planet. Maybe if he had not resigned he could have celebrated the expansion of the conflict into Cambodia.

Oswald met Kostikov at the Soviet Embassy. Kostikov and other employees at the Soviet Embassy have said so

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There is no reliable evidence they ever met. Kostikov could not speak English and Oswald's Russian was basic.

So faking a phone call to the Embassy was unnecessary and shows incompetence by the Conspirators.

Maybe the conspirators did not trust that the testimony of Soviet embassy employees would be accepted to the degree that you do. This would be the same people guaranteed to deny Kostikov was part of an assassination department. The phone call established a link between a fake Oswald and Kostikov which was independent of dodgy witnesses. A type written letter discovered by Mrs. Payne helped cement the spurious Oswald/Kostikov link.

Thanks for admitting you have no evidence that McCloy was initially skeptical about the Lone Gunman theory.

Maybe your browser is playing up again. Try obscure sites like 'Wikipedia,' 'Politico,' and 'Spartacus Educational,' the latter of which provides most detail on McCloy's conversion to the WC narrative.

[Patrick Differ]

Advanced technology has repeatedly proven that the photographs were real, the ballistics were real, the fingerprints were real, and the x-rays were real. Yet Conspiracists cling to a Conspiracy that was so good at forging evidence that they could fool technologies that weren't invented yet, yet so stupid that they needed to forge evidence.

How is Knott Lab a lie? You haven't answered the question regarding their results. You just mimic the Party Line.

[FISHY1118]

I thought that I’d make a suggestion to help Fishy avoid the taxing effort of cutting and pasting the entirety of Gil Jesus’s website onto here by posting this link.

https://gil-jesus.com/:2thumbsup:

No need to thank me.

And by the way, the answer to the question on the link is…yes he was.

I thought I just post "Actual Evidence" as requested by Herlock no matter what source it comes from .

You can thank me by accepting the fact the warren commission lied..

The fake Autopsy photos = case closed.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I thought I just post "Actual Evidence" as requested by Herlock no matter what source it comes from .

You can thank me by accepting the fact the warren commission lied..

The fake Autopsy photos = case closed.

Nope. Gil Jesus’s opinion. His opinion doesn’t count.

Ive already posted a link to all of the real experts who examined all of the photographs and x-rays and found absolutely zero evidence of tampering. On conspiracy theorists who don’t live in the real world disagree. Flat Earthers, Hollow Moon, Chemtrails, Sandy Hook, Pizzagate…the lust goes on. How can anyone believe conspiracy theorists.