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  • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    There is a key difference - you refer to it as "the government" as if it was a monolithic single entity. The government is composed of multiple organizations, many of which are rivals. Many of these organization are composed of factions, which are rivals to each other. And those are composed of individuals, each with their own goals.

    I'm not asking anyone to support anything because the government, or any section of government says it's true. Neither should we reject something just because the government says it.

    We need to look at the facts. I'll look at just one example - the prints. There are two possibilities - either they were left there by Oswald, or the Dallas Police, the FBI, multiple government investigations, and multiple independent experts over the course of decades were all part of a criminal plot to kill JFK.


    Yes, and one example of the non-monolithic nature of the government is in the assassination investigation. There isn't a single government explanation of what happened. The Warren Commission concluded Oswald acted alone, but the House Committee that investigated it concluded that there was more than one shooter. So those of of us who believe Oswald acted alone are rejecting the latter government explanation.

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    • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
      A very insular view of Johnson's presidency. Many in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos would disagree.
      JFK escalated US involvement in Vietnam, and LBJ continued to escalate it. If there are people in SE Asia (and the US for that matter) who don't know that, that doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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      • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
        A very insular view of Johnson's presidency. Many in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos would disagree.
        JFK and LBJ both supported the containment strategy against the USSR. If JFK had still been alive when the Gulf of Tonkin Incident happened, he would have escalated as well. That policy only changed when Nixon pulled out of Vietnam, and who obviously was not assassinated for doing so.

        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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        • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
          I previously raised the issue of conspiracy regarding Oswald being impersonated in a telephone call in Mexico City, a very odd incident since Oswald was portrayed as an inadequate, lone nutter by the WC. So why would anyone bother to do that? J Edgar Hoover seemed stumped as well. I can't remember receiving a response.
          I've seen plenty of claims that Oswald was impersonated. But we have plenty of evidence that Oswald did go to Mexico and a Conspiracy would have no motive and no need to impersonate him.

          "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

          "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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          • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
            Dulles certainly did since he had been sacked as CIA chief after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
            Dullles gained nothing from JFK's assassination.

            Originally posted by cobalt View Post
            . AS a WC appointee, McCloy was initially sceptical about the Lone Gunman theory but after meeting Dulles saw the light.
            McCloy gained nothing from JFK's assassination.

            And feel free to present evidence that McCloy was initially skeptical about the Lone Gunman theory.
            "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

            "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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