JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

What a Shamful act of Treason by Bugliosi ,trying to convince the world of lone assassin while all the time disrespecting the memories of all those who spoke the truth .

[GBinOz]

This is interesting. The WC disproving their own theory?

[FISHY1118]

This is interesting. The WC disproving their own theory?

I've seen that exact pic recently George , thanks for posting it.

Tells us a lot about the Warren Commission doesn't it.

[GBinOz]

Third…you honestly don’t have to bother answering it’s my intention not to post on this subject again (if I can show a little will power)
It seems to me I've heard that song before.

Fourth…you say that nothing will change my mind as if I’m being bloody-minded whilst the conspiracy side are the open minded ones. I’d accuse the conspiracy side of being bloody minded. Of starting out from a position of conspiracy and then seeing everything in terms of it.
I wonder if saying that nothing will change your mind could be considered and unfair assessment? I have changed my mind, including recently, based on an examination of the medical, ballistic, witness and film evidence, but excluding lawyer double talk.

Ill finish by saying….all of those wider questions that I put to you….not one single poster has ever answered but, more importantly, no matter how confident conspiracy supporters on here claim to be, I have TWICE asked them to tell us what they actually believe…Oswald plus GK gunman, Unknown 6th floor gunman plus GK gunman, gunman firing from elsewhere and GK gunman, not one of them had the courage of their convictions to state something so simple.
With regard to your tick the box answers - none of the above.

Anyone would think that they were uncomfortable with scrutiny.

I think they are uncomfortable with having to endlessly refute debunked replies.

IMO there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, involving multiple shooting teams and including the provision of a patsy, by parties who would benefit from Kennedy's removal. The method involved countdown shots (synchronised similar to the 21 gun salute method) and probably some suppressed rifles. There was a separate cover up, to avoid an international incident, aimed at limiting the investigations only to the patsy.

IMO there were 3 shots from the sniper's nest by Malcolm Wallace using the Carcano - The Tague shot to draw attention, and 2 shots that hit Connolly.

I think there was a shot from the rear using a projectile that had previously been fired through the Carcano and was fired thought a 30 calibre rifle using a sabot and possibly a suppresser. This caused the shallow wound, with no exit, in Kennedy's back about 5 inches below the shoulder line.

I think there were 2 shots from the south knoll, the throat shot through the windscreen, and the fatal head shot, using frangible projectiles. On repeatedly watching the Zapruder film, I am considering that there may have been an almost simultaneous head shot from Wallace that may have also hit Connally.

I think that there was at least one shot from the Grassy knoll using a 45 calibre weapon, that missed, possibly deliberately to avoid hitting Jackie.

So Herlock, that's my opinion at this stage. I don't expect a reply as I am confident your will power will prevail.

[Fiver]

It takes only one man to let Ruby into the basement.

Oswald was supposed to have left the building before Jack Ruby entered the building. The only reason that didn't happen was Oswald insisted on changing sweaters.

Which leads to possibilities.

* A mentally unstable club owner succeeded by dumb luck.
* The Conspiracy chose a mentally unstable amateur shooter. He botched the job by arriving late and succeeded only by dumb luck.
* Oswald was part of the Conspiracy to have himself killed and used his psychic powers to know he needed to delay long enough for the bumbling assassin to get there.

Any Conspiracy answer requires that the Conspiracy be composed of idiots who only succeeded by dumb luck.

That's before we consider that murdering Oswald doesn't help the Conspiracy in any way.

* If Oswald knew too much, he's been replaced by Ruby, who knows too much. The Conspiracy gains nothing.
* If Oswald was just a patsy, he's been replaced by Ruby, who knows too much. The Conspiracy is worse off than before it murdered Oswald.

It is not necessary to corrupt a police department or the FBI or the Secret Service The conspiracy need not involve a cast of thousands.

No one has suggested a cast of thousands, but the Conspiracy does require dozens of people, often from rival organizations.

For example, faking the autopsy would require that everyone present - Army, Navy, Secret Service, FBI, and JFK's personal physician - be part of the Conspiracy

[Pcdunn]

The US Government has put together a Task Force in the House to investigate JFK, RFK and MLK Assassinations. I would advise waiting to see what comes of it.

It will be interesting. I have little hope that this particular Administration will discover the "truth", given they're supported by some people with a distrust of Big Government.

[FISHY1118]

I think they are uncomfortable with having to endlessly refute debunked replies.

IMO there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, involving multiple shooting teams and including the provision of a patsy, by parties who would benefit from Kennedy's removal. The method involved countdown shots (synchronised similar to the 21 gun salute method) and probably some suppressed rifles. There was a separate cover up, to avoid an international incident, aimed at limiting the investigations only to the patsy.

IMO there were 3 shots from the sniper's nest by Malcolm Wallace using the Carcano - The Tague shot to draw attention, and 2 shots that hit Connolly.

I think there was a shot from the rear using a projectile that had previously been fired through the Carcano and was fired thought a 30 calibre rifle using a sabot and possibly a suppresser. This caused the shallow wound, with no exit, in Kennedy's back about 5 inches below the shoulder line.

I think there were 2 shots from the south knoll, the throat shot through the windscreen, and the fatal head shot, using frangible projectiles. On repeatedly watching the Zapruder film, I am considering that there may have been an almost simultaneous head shot from Wallace that may have also hit Connally.

I think that there was at least one shot from the Grassy knoll using a 45 calibre weapon, that missed, possibly deliberately to avoid hitting Jackie.

So Herlock, that's my opinion at this stage. I don't expect a reply as I am confident your will power will prevail.

I'm so glad you mentioned Malcolm Wallace George. The tape recording i posted earlier here in my opinion a game changer .

Its never been proven to be anything but the actual recording ,that directly points the finger at LBJ, whos chief assassin was in fact Malcolm Wallace.

Its been the easiest thing, now 62 year later to completly expose the Warren' Commission lie.

W.C Apologist are totally ignorant of the fact that all they have, and all there ever going to have is s big bunch of lies and coverups. Multiple Changed testimony, false findings, and fake autopsy photos, which have been shown to be part of the biggest lie ever told.

Credit to you for giving us your detailed version of events of that day .

Indeed I agree with you ,it was certainly a extremely well planned and throught out complex assassination of jfk , and the patsy Oswald was the icing on the cake .

The wool was pulled over the eyes of the general public then as it is today.

But as they say "you can't put brains in monuments"

[FISHY1118]

Dr. Robert McClelland Had The Best Close Up View Of JFK's Head Wound Than Any Other Doctor.


Here we see DR Robert McClelland prove the warren commission AUTOPSY PHOTOS ARE A FAKE .


Oh btw ''Actual evidence'' in case anybode ask



Start at the 13 minute mark of the interview video I am posting and hear Parkland surgery doctor Robert McClelland describe "in detail" the wound in the back of JFK's head and how much of JFK's brain matter was truly missing.

The man was just "18 inches" from JFK's skull in his position at the top of the table upon which JFK was laying. And he remained there for what 15, 20 or even 30 minutes?

What other Dr. or other witnesses to see JFK's head that close up within minutes of it's obliteration can one suggest to have had a better view of it, it's wound and brain matter loss including watching brain matter fall out of it right onto the cart/table underneath than Dr. McClelland?

McClelland's fellow surgeon Dr. Jones was right there just a couple of feet away from McClelland at JFK's side in Trauma Room 1 that day and in this interview he doesn't contradict one thing Dr. McClelland describes.

Bethesda Dr. Commander Humes said he didn't know why he nor anyone else failed to weigh JFK's brain upon his removal of it in his autopsy procedure. A procedure so standard in autopsies of criminal action head wound victims it is ludicrous that such an arrogantly confident man like Humes or even assisting Dr. Boswell could have missed this top priority criminal case evidence procedure just by forgetfulness.

Imo it suggest they purposely avoided weighing JFK's brain because it was too significantly blown out.

"The damn thing just fell out into my hands!"

Assisting Bethesda medical corpsman James Jenkins quoted a startled Humes as saying upon removing JFK's brain.

Dr. McClelland's description of the JFK back of the head wound and how much of JFK's brain was honestly missing (including more oozing out during JFK's ER treatment and even the chunk Jackie Kennedy held in her hand to give to another doctor there with McClelland) matches what Bethesda Navy Corpsman Paul O'Conner ( a trained brain removal technician ) described in sworn testimony.

That "for all essential purposes most of JFK's brain was gone!"
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[A P Tomlinson]

Plenty of talk about the method of ordering the rifle and the rifle that was actually delivered but let’s ask a simpler question.

Why would a group of conspirators, whose aim was to set LHO Oswald up as the killer, have ordered a rifle in the name of Hidell?it makes zero sense. You want to set up a man as a killer you order the rifle in his own name.

Just ask common sense questions and the case solves itself.

Let's, again, apply that same level of thinking the other way round.
Why would someone use a false identity to order a rifle, then make sure he had that false identity on his person the day he uses that weapon to assassinate the President?
He could have used that fake identity to walk into any gun shop in Texas and walk out with an untraceable rifle, then burn the fake ID.

[GBinOz]

Let's, again, apply that same level of thinking the other way round.
Why would someone use a false identity to order a rifle, then make sure he had that false identity on his person the day he uses that weapon to assassinate the President?
He could have used that fake identity to walk into any gun shop in Texas and walk out with an untraceable rifle, then burn the fake ID.

Exactly. If you're going to set someone up you lay a followable paper trail using a false identity. That makes it look like the person was trying to hide the purchase of the weapon.

Provide a common sense answer and the case solves itself.

[Fiver]

Let's start with a simple piece of bullshit that got exposed... Hoover stated for the record that Ruby had never been a ""paid informant" for the FBI. The truth was that in the EIGHT covert meetings the FBI held with Ruby, he provided NO actionable evidence and therefore was never Paid for information.

Have you got a source for these alleged eight metteing between the FBI and Jack Ruby?

[Fiver]

The Bullet that was "identified" as CE399, was in two places at once according to FBI and Secret Service records... while it was being handed over in the Whitehouse to the FBI, it was already being processed at the FBI.

So you think the Conspiracy was a pack of complete idiots?

They plant a false bullet, then switch it for a different false bullet, and then botch the documentation?

There is no evidence that CE399 was being processed by the FBI before it was received.

[Fiver]

The bullet shown to the men at Parkland who found the bullet was never identified by them as such. A report that never made it to the Warren report showed that senior FBI agent Bardwell Odum had shown the bullet to both Tomlinson (the orderly who found it) and O.P Wright (Personel director who Tomlinson gave it to, and who gave it to the secret Service) said that the bullet they were shown didn't look like the bullet they fund, and that it wasn't a jacketed military round and more like a pointed hunting round.

The report of Odum showing the CE399 bullet to Tomlinson and Wright was published by the Warren Commission.

It also shows that everything you claim that Tomlinson and Wright said is wrong.

Tomlinson said "it appears to be the same one" but he "cannot positively identify the bullet".

Wright "stated that it looked like the one he gave to Johnsen on 11/22/63, but he could not positively identify it."

When questioned by the ARRB, Odum said he had never even seen that bullet, let alone taken it to Parkland for examination. No documents detailing the events that bare his name, bare his signature...

The ARRB did not question Bardwell Odum.

[cobalt]

Scottnapa's comments on Bugliosi's breathless account of the impasse at Parkland were interesting. Bugliosi is clearly a man who likes to 'gild the lily' which presumably served him well in the theatre of the courtroom. However Bugliosi would have understood that the law is only a reflection of political forces within a society; and Bugliosi strikes me as man who likes to be on the side that is winning.

Bugliosi presented himself as a fighter for 'the little man,' familiar enough schmaltz spouted by politically ambitious lawyers. His record suggests otherwise. During a California University 'sit in' in the late 1960s students held chief administrators captive within an office and coerced them into agreeing policies that would now be considered run of the mill in respect of race etc. Despite promises of no recriminations, around two dozen students were put through the legal process and Bugliosi managed to get four of them jail time for 'kidnap.' All perfectly legal I'm sure but not exactly the act of a Robin Hood.

Bugliosi's best known case is the one that made him a recognised public figure and spawned a book and a film entitled 'Helter Skelter.' Taking Charles Manson off the streets was undoubtedly for the good of society but there were few men more 'little' in their lives than Manson. Since Manson had not actually killed anyone himself, Bugliosi had to resort to a Conspiracy Theory to lock him up for life. This CT was wilder than anything dreamt up by JFK CTs, revolving around drug fuelled recollections of Manson's interpretation of a Beatles' soundtrack. Some of Manson's gang have dismissed it all as nonsense but it made for good cinema. This was a boost to Bugliosi's career as his high profile prosecution was heralded by conservative America as an expose of the dark reality behind the counter culture.

Bugliosi's commitment to the 'little man' did not apparently extend to his milkman, who he suspected of stealing around 300 dollars from him. This may sound like a Monty Python sketch or something conjured up by Benny Hill but Bugliosi did attempt to use his office to pursue the man and later paid out a settlement of about 12,000 dollars.

Bugliosi's labelling of George W Bush as a war criminal is sometimes claimed as evidence of him fearlessly seeking justice. But Bugliosi had thrown in his lot politically with the Democratic Party and his book would have gone down favourably with the incoming Obama administration. Had he put Bush in the dock, as Garrison did with Clay Shaw, then that would have been a different matter. I doubt Bugliosi would have welcomed that prospect.

So Bugliosi arguing for the state (or the Warren Commission) against the little man - Lee Harvey Oswald- is par for the course. It was his lifetime work and doubtless paid extremely well. Having said that I am sure Bugliosi was a very competent lawyer and, if forced to take on the Oswald defence, would have no doubt achieved a swift acquittal.

[Fiver]

Secret Service agent Elmer Moore when questioned by the ARRB said he regretted having to strongarm the Parkland staff into saying that the neck wound was a wound of exit, and that Chief Rowley had forced him to.

Elmer Moore was not questioned by the ARRB.