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  • Originally posted by scottnapa View Post

    No. Oswald lies often. Curtain rods seems to be just something he's saying to say something. I do not know why would Oswald buy curtain rods for an tiny room he doesn't own? On the other hand the WC lies about the bag. The MC dissassembled is 34". . Linnie Mae Fraizer saw Oswald carrying it holding it at the top and the bottom not hitting the ground; Buell Fraizer saw Oswald carry it cupped in his right hand with the top under his right shoulder.
    The FBI measurement in Frazier's car's back seat 27”. WC gave Fraizer a lie dectector test which he passsed and so the WC elected to not publist the results of a test they did not like. To this day Fraizer insists there was no rifle in his car
    If the truth was that he wasn't carrying a rifle, it seems odd that he wouldn't just tell the truth about what was in the package.

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    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

      Hello Scott.

      First…my apologies for not taking into consideration your eye problems. I hope that the surgery goes well.

      Second…yes there was ‘snark’ in my comment and yes I shouldn’t really have aimed it in your direction.

      Third…you honestly don’t have to bother answering it’s my intention not to post on this subject again (if I can show a little will power)

      Fourth…you say that nothing will change my mind as if I’m being bloody-minded whilst the conspiracy side are the open minded ones. I’d accuse the conspiracy side of being bloody minded. Of starting out from a position of conspiracy and then seeing everything in terms of it.

      Ill finish by saying….all of those wider questions that I put to you….not one single poster has ever answered but, more importantly, no matter how confident conspiracy supporters on here claim to be, I have TWICE asked them to tell us what they actually believe…Oswald plus GK gunman, Unknown 6th floor gunman plus GK gunman, gunman firing from elsewhere and GK gunman, not one of them had the courage of their convictions to state something so simple.

      Anyone would think that they were uncomfortable with scrutiny.

      Herlock, since no one seems to want to answer this, I'll tell you what I believed years ago when I thought that there was a conspiracy. I believed that it was Oswald plus one other gunman, probably shooting from the grassy knoll, but I was open to the possibility that he could be shooting from somewhere else. I thought that the JFK headshot came from this other shooter, and that there were 3 other shots, all of which came from Oswald.

      EDIT: George, I see now that you've answered this too.
      Last edited by Lewis C; 03-17-2025, 06:26 PM.

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      • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
        Scottnapa's comments on Bugliosi's breathless account of the impasse at Parkland were interesting. Bugliosi is clearly a man who likes to 'gild the lily' which presumably served him well in the theatre of the courtroom. However Bugliosi would have understood that the law is only a reflection of political forces within a society; and Bugliosi strikes me as man who likes to be on the side that is winning.

        Bugliosi presented himself as a fighter for 'the little man,' familiar enough schmaltz spouted by politically ambitious lawyers. His record suggests otherwise. During a California University 'sit in' in the late 1960s students held chief administrators captive within an office and coerced them into agreeing policies that would now be considered run of the mill in respect of race etc. Despite promises of no recriminations, around two dozen students were put through the legal process and Bugliosi managed to get four of them jail time for 'kidnap.' All perfectly legal I'm sure but not exactly the act of a Robin Hood.

        Bugliosi's best known case is the one that made him a recognised public figure and spawned a book and a film entitled 'Helter Skelter.' Taking Charles Manson off the streets was undoubtedly for the good of society but there were few men more 'little' in their lives than Manson. Since Manson had not actually killed anyone himself, Bugliosi had to resort to a Conspiracy Theory to lock him up for life. This CT was wilder than anything dreamt up by JFK CTs, revolving around drug fuelled recollections of Manson's interpretation of a Beatles' soundtrack. Some of Manson's gang have dismissed it all as nonsense but it made for good cinema. This was a boost to Bugliosi's career as his high profile prosecution was heralded by conservative America as an expose of the dark reality behind the counter culture.

        Bugliosi's commitment to the 'little man' did not apparently extend to his milkman, who he suspected of stealing around 300 dollars from him. This may sound like a Monty Python sketch or something conjured up by Benny Hill but Bugliosi did attempt to use his office to pursue the man and later paid out a settlement of about 12,000 dollars.

        Bugliosi's labelling of George W Bush as a war criminal is sometimes claimed as evidence of him fearlessly seeking justice. But Bugliosi had thrown in his lot politically with the Democratic Party and his book would have gone down favourably with the incoming Obama administration. Had he put Bush in the dock, as Garrison did with Clay Shaw, then that would have been a different matter. I doubt Bugliosi would have welcomed that prospect.

        So Bugliosi arguing for the state (or the Warren Commission) against the little man - Lee Harvey Oswald- is par for the course. It was his lifetime work and doubtless paid extremely well. Having said that I am sure Bugliosi was a very competent lawyer and, if forced to take on the Oswald defence, would have no doubt achieved a swift acquittal.


        Hi again cobalt - interesting (to me anyway) that you mention Charles Manson. One of the murders for which he and some of his group was convicted was that in 1969 of Donald ''Shorty'' Shea. Although convicted in 1972, the victim's body was not found until 1977.

        Just one of several examples in the USA and worldwide, both before and after John Kennedy's killing, where the absence of a body, let alone an autopsy, did not prevent a murder trial contrary to Fishy's repeated assertion.

        Best regards,
        OneRound

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        • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
          CE 843 is proof of fraud in the JFK autopsy evidence. CE 843 consists of three fragments that were supposedly removed from JFK's skull during the autopsy. However, these fragments look nothing like the fragments that Dr. James Humes said he removed from the skull and that appear on the autopsy skull x-rays. The 7x2 mm fragment is plainly visible on the AP x-ray, and it looks nothing like any of the fragments seen in CE 843. Moreover, Humes said he only removed two fragments, one 7x2 mm and the other 3x1 mm, not three.
          The fraud is on the part of your source.

          Warren Commission Exhibit 843 was always two fragments.

          Commander HUMES - I refer to my notes for the measurements of that fragment.
          I find in going back to my report, sir, that we found, in fact, two small fragments in this approximate location. The larger of these measured 7 by 2 mm., the smaller 3 by 1 mm.


          Mr. SPECTER - Moving back to 843 will you describe those fragments indicating their weight and general composition?
          Mr. FRAZIER - These fragments consisted of two pieces of lead, one weighed 1.65 grains. The other weighed .15 grain. They were examined spectrographically so their present weight would be somewhat less since a very small amount would be needed for spectrographic analysis.​


          Mr. WOLF - Dr. Guinn, if we could again start with the items that we have placed in group 1 of the items, all found in or near the occupants of the President's limousine, and if you could give their Commission exhibit numbers and the location where they were allegedly found.
          Dr. GUINN - The first of the five was CE-399. That is the so-called pristine bullet reportedly found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. The second was Commission exhibit 567. That was a mashed large bullet fragment still in its jacket reportedly recovered from the front seat of the Dallas limousine. The third one, CE-843, consisted of one larger fragment and one smaller fragment reportedly recovered from President Kennedy's brain at autopsy. The fourth one was CE-842, one larger fragment and two smaller ones reportedly recovered from Governor Connally's wrist during surgery. And the fifth one was CE-840, fragments reportedly recovered from the rear floor of the Dallas limousine.​




          "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

          "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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          • Originally posted by OneRound View Post

            Hi again cobalt - interesting (to me anyway) that you mention Charles Manson. One of the murders for which he and some of his group was convicted was that in 1969 of Donald ''Shorty'' Shea. Although convicted in 1972, the victim's body was not found until 1977.

            Just one of several examples in the USA and worldwide, both before and after John Kennedy's killing, where the absence of a body, let alone an autopsy, did not prevent a murder trial contrary to Fishy's repeated assertion.

            Best regards,
            OneRound
            Hello and thanks for your response. You almost got it
            This is not a conversation about having a trial about a body. This is about what would be allowed as evidence in Dallas Texas where the trial would take place.. Because the chain of evidence is broken. No “evidence” obtained by the Bethesda autopsy would be accepted by a Texas court as it was performed out of state in Maryland. Texas has jurisdiction.
            I posted multiple examples of quotes about jurisdiction and evidence. the last one from a conversation Wade has with Robert Oswald.

            I didn’t say there couldn’t be a trial. Sure have a trial. If there was an autopsy performed in Dallas who has jurisdiction, all evidence from the legal autopsy is admissible. But because the body was NOT autopsied in Dallas, any “evidence “ from the body been contaminated.
            (I am sure everyone remembers the defense in OJ trial concerning mishandled evidence.)
            Dr Rose performed the Tippet autopsy. That is a legal procedure that produces evidence that can and would have used in a Dallas court to convict Oswald of Tippet’s murder. .

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            • 80,000 pages of documents are being released tomorrow 3/18/2025. Unredacted.

              That's alot of documents compared to 13,000 released in 2022.

              We hopefully at least learn why they were withheld. Hey is this finally it? Who knows?



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              • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                CE 843 is also HSCA JFK Exhibit F-258.
                HSCA JFK Exhibit F-258 is Zapruder film frame 316.
                "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                  ''ACTUAL EVIDENCE''

                  For me, the problem with the Tippit shooting has always been the ID of the shells as being from an automatic pistol, by DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill.
                  It's not a problem if you read the actual evidence.

                  Mr. HILL. Then we went back over to the house next door, which would have been the first one east of this one, and made sure it was securely locked, both upstairs and downstairs. There was no particular sign of entry on this building at all. At this point we came back out to the street, and I asked had Owens received any information from the hospital on Tippit.
                  And he said they had just told him on channel 2 that he was dead. I got back in 105's car, went back around to the original scene, gave him his car keys back, and left his ear there, and at this point he came up to me with a Winston cigarette package.
                  Mr. BELIN. Who was this?
                  Mr. HILL. This was Poe.
                  Mr. BELIN. You went back to the Tippit scene?
                  Mr. HILL. Right.
                  Mr. BELIN. You went back to 400 East 10th Street?
                  Mr. HILL. Right. And Poe showed me a Winston cigarette package that contained three spent jackets from shells that he said a citizen had pointed out to him where the suspect had reloaded his gun and dropped these in the grass, and that the citizen had picked them up and put them in the Winston package.
                  I told Poe to maintain the chain of evidence as small as possible, for him to retain these at that time, and to be sure and mark them for evidence, and then turn them over to the crime lab when he got there, or to homicide.

                  Mr. POE. I talked to a Spanish man, but I don't remember his name. Dominique, I believe.
                  Mr. BALL. Domingo Benavides?
                  Mr. POE. I believe that is correct; yes, sir.
                  Mr. BALL. What did he tell you?
                  Mr. POE. He told me, give me the same, or similar description of the man, and told me he was running out across this lawn. He was unloading his pistol as he ran, and he picked the shells up.
                  Mr. BALL. Domingo told you who was running across the lawn?
                  Mr. POE. A man, white man.
                  Mr. BALL. What was he doing?
                  Mr. POE. He was unloading his pistol as he run.
                  Mr. BALL. And what did he say?
                  Mr. POE. He said he picked the two hulls up.
                  Mr. BALL. Did he hand you the hulls?
                  Mr. POE. Yes, sir.
                  Mr. BALL. Did you put any markings on the hulls?
                  Mr. POE. I couldn't swear to it; no, sir.
                  Mr. BALL. What did you do with the hulls?
                  Mr. POE. I turned the hulls into the crime lab, which was at the scene.​

                  Mr. BARNES. I photographed the scene; yes. There was a couple of hulls that was turned over to me.
                  Mr. BELIN. Do you mean empty shell casings?
                  Mr. BARNES. Empty .38 caliber hulls was turned over to me at the scene by patrolman--I believe I would be safe in saying Poe, but I am not sure about that.
                  Mr. BELIN. How do you spell that?
                  Mr. BARNES. P-o-e, I believe is the way he spells it.
                  Mr. BELIN. You think he was the one that turned over some shells?
                  Mr. BARNES. I believe it is. I am not too sure right now, but I believe that is what is on the report. I would have to check it to be sure.​

                  Mr. BELIN. Sergeant, I will ask you to examine Commission Exhibits Nos. Q-74, Q-75, Q-76, and Q-77, and ask you to state whether or not there appears to be any identification marks on any of these exhibits that appear to show that they were examined or identified by you?
                  Mr. BARNES. I placed "B", the best that I could, inside of the hull of Exhibit 74---I believe it was Q-74 and Q-75, as you have them identified.
                  Mr. BELIN. Now all four of these exhibits appear to be cartridge case hulls, is that correct?
                  Mr. BARNES. .38 caliber.
                  Mr. BELIN. .38 caliber pistol?
                  Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                  Mr. BELIN. They are kind of silver or chrome or grey in color? You can identify it that way?
                  Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                  Mr. BELIN. How many of these hulls, to the best of your recollection, did you identify out there?
                  Mr. BARNES. I believe that the patrolman gave me two, and Captain Doughty received the third.
                  Mr. BELIN. The two that the patrolman gave you were the ones that you put this identification mark on the inside of?
                  Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                  Mr. BELIN. What instrument did you use to place this mark?
                  Mr. BARNES. I used a diamond point pen.
                  Mr. BELIN. You put it on Q-74 and Q-75?
                  Mr. BARNES. It looks like there are others that put their markings in there too.
                  Mr. BELIN. Did you have anything to do with identifying either the slugs that were eventually removed from Officer Tippit's body, or the pistol?
                  Mr. BARNES. No.
                  Mr. BELIN. You never put any identifying marks on those. Is there anything else that you did out at the crime scene?
                  Mr. BARNES. We made a crime sketch of the scene.
                  Mr. BELIN. You made a crime sketch of the scene?
                  Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                  Mr. BELIN. Anything else?
                  Mr. BARNES. No; not that I can recall at this time.
                  Mr. BELIN. What did you do with those cartridge case hulls, Q-74 and Q-75?
                  Mr. BARNES. We placed them in our evidence room, and turned them over to the FBI. I believe Special Agent Drain of the FBI was the agent that took them.


                  "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                  "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                  • Originally posted by A P Tomlinson View Post
                    Oswald was seen on the ground floor at a few minutes before 12:15 eating his lunch. H
                    James Jarman testified he was in the domino room/lunch room, but that Oswald was not.

                    ​Harold Norman testified he was in the domino room/lunch room, but that Oswald was not.​

                    Jack Edwin Dougherty testified he was in the domino room/lunch room between 12 and 12:30 and that the last time he had seen Oswald was around 11am on the 6th floor.

                    Danny G. Arce testified that he had lunch with Dougherty in the domino room/lunch room and that the last time he had seen Oswald was before that, with Oswald on the 5th or 6th floor.

                    That leaves a couple possibilities.
                    * Oswald was telling the truth, but forgot there were two more people in the domino room that could give him alibis and Jarman, Norman, Dougherty, and Acre were all lying.
                    * Oswald was lying about being in the lunch room.

                    Neither option gives Oswald an alibi for the shooting. Jarman and Norman had enough time to get to the 5th floor before the assassination, so clearly Oswald had enough time to get to the 6th floor before the assassination.​
                    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                    • Originally posted by A P Tomlinson View Post
                      Of course, of there's nothing to cut and paste from the Warren Report on this as rather than try and clear this up, that witness - Carolyn Arnold, whose FBI statement gave Oswald an alibi, was never brought to the Warren Commission or re-interviewed by anyone connected to investigating the assassination.
                      Lets look at the actual statements.

                      "Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22, 1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM."

                      So sometime before 12:15 Carolyn Arnold might have seen Oswald, but not in the lunch room.

                      Arnold was re-interviewed by the FBI.

                      "On November 22, 1963, at the time President Kennedy was shot, I was standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building. I was with Mr. O. V. Campbell, 7120 Twin Tree Lane, Dallas; Mrs. L. C. (Bonnie) Richey, 220 South Marsalis, Apt. 117, Dallas; Mrs. Barney (Betty) Dragoo, 2705 West Brooklyn, Dallas; Mrs. Don (Virgie) Baker née Rackley, 3600½ Live Oak, Dallas; and Miss Judy Johnson, 915 Sunnyside, Dallas, at the time President Kennedy was shot.

                      I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at the time President Kennedy was shot.
                      "

                      The Warren Commission had access to both statements made by Carolyn Arnold.
                      "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                      "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                      • Originally posted by A P Tomlinson View Post
                        ... Victoria Adams, who testified that she set off immediately to head down the stairs ended up in the report as having waited a minute before heading down the stairs where she was said to have met with Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelley who were behind the TSBD for a few minutes (she never said that, only that she saw them later...), and despite her asking to be part of the recreation so she could show them, and protestations that Sandra Styles (who was with her on the stairs) Elsie Dormand and Dorothy Garner (all of whom have since corroborated Vicky's statement on numerous occasions including signed affidavits) would tell the Commission she was right, they dismissed her account... and refused to investigate further by following up on her claims.
                        Styles did not give a time estimate. Dorman and Garner did not go downstairs with them.

                        Mr. BELIN - You took those stairs. Were you walking or running as you went down the stairs?
                        Miss ADAMS - I was running. We were running.
                        Mr. BELIN - What kind of shoes did you have on?
                        Miss ADAMS - Three-inch heels.​

                        Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
                        Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.
                        Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was, or do you think it took you to get from the window to the top of the fourth floor stairs?
                        Miss ADAMS - I don't think I can answer that question accurately, because the time approximation, without a stopwatch, would be difficult.
                        Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it took you. to get from the window to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
                        Miss ADAMS - I would say no longer than a minute at the most.
                        Mr. BELIN - So you think that from the time you left the window on the fourth floor until the time you got to the stairs at the bottom of the first floor, was approximately 1 minute?
                        Miss ADAMS - Yes, approximately.
                        Mr. BELIN - As I understand your testimony previously, you saw neither Roy Truly nor any motorcycle police officer at any time?
                        Miss ADAMS - That's correct.​


                        Adams needed to run across the 4th floor and down four flights of stairs in 60 seconds while wearing 3 inch heels.

                        Mr. BELIN - When you got to the bottom of the first floor, did you see anyone there as you entered the first floor from the stairway?
                        Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
                        Mr. BELIN - Who did you see?
                        Miss ADAMS - Mr. Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady.​


                        Not Roy Truly and Officer Baker, she saw Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady.​

                        Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
                        Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.​

                        Mr. BALL - Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
                        Mr. SHELLEY - Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.
                        Mr. BALL - While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?
                        Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.​


                        Shelly and Lovelady left the TSBD and only returned minutes after Truly and Baker entered the TSBD. So based on Adam's own testimony, she must have reached the first floor after Shelly and Lovelady​ returned.

                        And that's a lot more than 1 minute.
                        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                        • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                          It's not a problem if you read the actual evidence.

                          Mr. HILL. Then we went back over to the house next door, which would have been the first one east of this one, and made sure it was securely locked, both upstairs and downstairs. There was no particular sign of entry on this building at all. At this point we came back out to the street, and I asked had Owens received any information from the hospital on Tippit.
                          And he said they had just told him on channel 2 that he was dead. I got back in 105's car, went back around to the original scene, gave him his car keys back, and left his ear there, and at this point he came up to me with a Winston cigarette package.
                          Mr. BELIN. Who was this?
                          Mr. HILL. This was Poe.
                          Mr. BELIN. You went back to the Tippit scene?
                          Mr. HILL. Right.
                          Mr. BELIN. You went back to 400 East 10th Street?
                          Mr. HILL. Right. And Poe showed me a Winston cigarette package that contained three spent jackets from shells that he said a citizen had pointed out to him where the suspect had reloaded his gun and dropped these in the grass, and that the citizen had picked them up and put them in the Winston package.
                          I told Poe to maintain the chain of evidence as small as possible, for him to retain these at that time, and to be sure and mark them for evidence, and then turn them over to the crime lab when he got there, or to homicide.

                          Mr. POE. I talked to a Spanish man, but I don't remember his name. Dominique, I believe.
                          Mr. BALL. Domingo Benavides?
                          Mr. POE. I believe that is correct; yes, sir.
                          Mr. BALL. What did he tell you?
                          Mr. POE. He told me, give me the same, or similar description of the man, and told me he was running out across this lawn. He was unloading his pistol as he ran, and he picked the shells up.
                          Mr. BALL. Domingo told you who was running across the lawn?
                          Mr. POE. A man, white man.
                          Mr. BALL. What was he doing?
                          Mr. POE. He was unloading his pistol as he run.
                          Mr. BALL. And what did he say?
                          Mr. POE. He said he picked the two hulls up.
                          Mr. BALL. Did he hand you the hulls?
                          Mr. POE. Yes, sir.
                          Mr. BALL. Did you put any markings on the hulls?
                          Mr. POE. I couldn't swear to it; no, sir.
                          Mr. BALL. What did you do with the hulls?
                          Mr. POE. I turned the hulls into the crime lab, which was at the scene.​

                          Mr. BARNES. I photographed the scene; yes. There was a couple of hulls that was turned over to me.
                          Mr. BELIN. Do you mean empty shell casings?
                          Mr. BARNES. Empty .38 caliber hulls was turned over to me at the scene by patrolman--I believe I would be safe in saying Poe, but I am not sure about that.
                          Mr. BELIN. How do you spell that?
                          Mr. BARNES. P-o-e, I believe is the way he spells it.
                          Mr. BELIN. You think he was the one that turned over some shells?
                          Mr. BARNES. I believe it is. I am not too sure right now, but I believe that is what is on the report. I would have to check it to be sure.​

                          Mr. BELIN. Sergeant, I will ask you to examine Commission Exhibits Nos. Q-74, Q-75, Q-76, and Q-77, and ask you to state whether or not there appears to be any identification marks on any of these exhibits that appear to show that they were examined or identified by you?
                          Mr. BARNES. I placed "B", the best that I could, inside of the hull of Exhibit 74---I believe it was Q-74 and Q-75, as you have them identified.
                          Mr. BELIN. Now all four of these exhibits appear to be cartridge case hulls, is that correct?
                          Mr. BARNES. .38 caliber.
                          Mr. BELIN. .38 caliber pistol?
                          Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                          Mr. BELIN. They are kind of silver or chrome or grey in color? You can identify it that way?
                          Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                          Mr. BELIN. How many of these hulls, to the best of your recollection, did you identify out there?
                          Mr. BARNES. I believe that the patrolman gave me two, and Captain Doughty received the third.
                          Mr. BELIN. The two that the patrolman gave you were the ones that you put this identification mark on the inside of?
                          Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                          Mr. BELIN. What instrument did you use to place this mark?
                          Mr. BARNES. I used a diamond point pen.
                          Mr. BELIN. You put it on Q-74 and Q-75?
                          Mr. BARNES. It looks like there are others that put their markings in there too.
                          Mr. BELIN. Did you have anything to do with identifying either the slugs that were eventually removed from Officer Tippit's body, or the pistol?
                          Mr. BARNES. No.
                          Mr. BELIN. You never put any identifying marks on those. Is there anything else that you did out at the crime scene?
                          Mr. BARNES. We made a crime sketch of the scene.
                          Mr. BELIN. You made a crime sketch of the scene?
                          Mr. BARNES. Yes.
                          Mr. BELIN. Anything else?
                          Mr. BARNES. No; not that I can recall at this time.
                          Mr. BELIN. What did you do with those cartridge case hulls, Q-74 and Q-75?
                          Mr. BARNES. We placed them in our evidence room, and turned them over to the FBI. I believe Special Agent Drain of the FBI was the agent that took them.


                          Have you actually posted anythnig of interest here ?

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                          • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                            Have you actually posted anythnig of interest here ?
                            Just another long cut and paste. As you would be aware Fishy, a revolver can be emptied of expended cases via the ejector rod, but that would also eject any live rounds. To remove only expended rounds (you don't remove live rounds when reloading), you have to pull them from the cylinder individually. So then, do you throw them on the ground to provide the police with evidence, or put them in your pocket? If you're trying to set someone up, you throw them on the ground. On the other hand, if the handgun was an auto, as originally reported, the cases are already on the ground and time has to be spent locating and picking up the expended cases.

                            Use common sense and the case solves itself.
                            Last edited by GBinOz; 03-18-2025, 07:31 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                              Just another long cut and paste. As you would be aware Fishy, a revolver can be emptied of expended cases via the ejector rod, but that would also eject any live rounds. To remove only expended rounds (you don't remove live rounds when reloading), you have to pull them from the cylinder individually. So then, do you throw them on the ground to provide the police with evidence, or put them in your pocket? If you're trying to set someone up, you throw them on the ground. On the other hand, if the handgun was an auto, as originally reported, the cases are already on the ground and time has to be spent locating and picking up the expended cases.

                              Use common sense and the case solves itself.
                              Thanks for that post George.

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                              • Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
                                80,000 pages of documents are being released tomorrow 3/18/2025. Unredacted.

                                That's alot of documents compared to 13,000 released in 2022.

                                We hopefully at least learn why they were withheld. Hey is this finally it? Who knows?


                                The truth is coming.

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