JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

''ACTUAL EVIDENCE''




For me, the problem with the Tippit shooting has always been the ID of the shells as being from an automatic pistol, by DPD Sgt. Gerald Hill.



I have only known two cops in my life, but both knew a lot about guns and ammo (stock in trade after all) and both regarded a crime against a fellow officer as most serious.

Beyond dispute, after viewing the shells found near the Tippit murder, Sgt. Hill got on the police radio and said, "the shells at the scene indicate that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38."

In a 1986 interview, Hill said he knew the shells were .38-caliber shells because he picked one of them up and examined it.

Automatic .38 shells, on the bottom, are imprinted very clearly with the word "auto."

It defies imagination that a police sergeant would look at an evidence shell at the scene of a brutal murder of a fellow officer, and then get on the police radio describe the shell type exactly wrong. A murder is serious business, and a murder of fellow officer the most serious of all.

There are not a myriad of shell types. There is revolver and auto. It is not a bewildering topic taking years to master.

The Sgt. Hill situation strongly suggests evidence was switched around after the fact.

[FISHY1118]

And people wonder why I express concern for the thread. This is the standard of ‘analysis’ that we get. He’s even stealing phrases from me

Nobody cares about your concerns .

[FISHY1118]

I don’t know how you manage to do all of the analysis above Fishy. Well done. Great skill and knowledge.

Thanks herlock , just providing the ''actual evidence'' as requested .

[A P Tomlinson]

Honestly, I’m sorry but it’s all been addressed. I am so sick of listening to it all AP. Secret meetings, so and so apparently talked about the Bay of Pigs whilst Lyndon Johnson did rifle practice using a photo of Jack Ruby. Blah, blah Military Industrial Complex blah blah Oswald was James Bond blah blah they were all in on it blah blah.

Man on floor of building.
His rifle.
His prints.
Cartridges matched scientifically.
Man escapes when there was no need if innocent.
Man kills police officer.
Man’s behaviour on the day totally indicative of guilt.

Guilty…no need for any further discussion. They could have had a trial on the 24th and found him guilty.

Oswald was a double murderer. Not a shadow of a doubt.

Conspiracy theorist have done the greatest act of muddying the waters in the history of the world.

You are 1) doing the usual trick of ascribing general ideas of stupidity to an argument that I don't hold, and 2) over simplifying matters.

Show me any evidence that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the building at the time of the shooting. And if the words "Howard" and "Brennan" are about to flit through your mind let me put THAT to bed straight away.
Brennan was talking absolute rubbish that any lawyer with a brain would have been able to tear through by having the court take a quick trip to Dealey Plaza, stand beneath the building at the point where where Brennan was and put someone standing at the window in the way Brennan described, have it open the 12" it was on the day and ask Brennan to describe that persons height, age, weight and hair colour. It was impossible to see a man from his waist to the top of his head standing at the window unless they were about 2' tall. Brennan couldn't identify Oswald in the line up until later in the day, after the news had coincidentally started showing his picture on the TV. The best Brennan came up with was that Oswald looked the "most like" the man he claimed he saw. And that had nothing to do with the fact that oswald was the only one in the line up who had just been beaten by cops, and looked like it.
No one was able to identify the shooter they saw in that window.

I notice that earlier you mentioned Oswald and the sweater... and how that time delay was most fortunate for Ruby. So we'll use your own rationalising the other way round and see if that stands.
The exact same argument applies to Oswald, but I doubt you'll see it that way.
Oswald was seen on the ground floor at a few minutes before 12:15 eating his lunch. Had Kennedy not stopped at Love Field for an extra 15 minutes to gladhand with the crowd. He would have been pulling round the corner of Main onto Houston at the time the assassin was seen eating his lunch. Lucky for him that Kennedy was running as late as he was in order to get up there, set up the nest and reassemble his rifle.
Of course, of there's nothing to cut and paste from the Warren Report on this as rather than try and clear this up, that witness - Carolyn Arnold, whose FBI statement gave Oswald an alibi, was never brought to the Warren Commission or re-interviewed by anyone connected to investigating the assassination.
Of course, Eddie Piper and Bill Shelley who both saw Oswald down stairs at around noon were both called, as their testimony wasn't at all threatening to the narrative.
Nothing unusual there, as Victoria Adams, who testified that she set off immediately to head down the stairs ended up in the report as having waited a minute before heading down the stairs where she was said to have met with Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelley who were behind the TSBD for a few minutes (she never said that, only that she saw them later...), and despite her asking to be part of the recreation so she could show them, and protestations that Sandra Styles (who was with her on the stairs) Elsie Dormand and Dorothy Garner (all of whom have since corroborated Vicky's statement on numerous occasions including signed affidavits) would tell the Commission she was right, they dismissed her account... and refused to investigate further by following up on her claims.

Obviously this posed a problem for the narrative, as Oswald SHOULD have been on that staircase. It was the only way he could have got down to the 2nd floor lunchroom in time to meet Truly and Baker. He was on the second floor within 90 seconds of the shots being fired.
The recreation walkthrough showed that such a timing was possible, but never considered introducing any known factors that might dispute it.

Garner even stayed by the stairwell door as Vicky and Sandra went down the stairs and saw no one else till Baker and Truly came up them a few moments later. But that wasn't in the Warren Report so we can all safely assume it just didn't happen and they were all conspiracy nuts or just "silly women", which was how Bellin and co painted the situation.

[Patrick Differ]

The US Government has put together a Task Force in the House to investigate JFK, RFK and MLK Assassinations. I would advise waiting to see what comes of it.

[Fiver]

Of course you are , because it's was a Mauser they took from the TSBD . What you call fake and forgery are indeed TRUTH and Facts.

What did Oswald take to work on the morning of Nov 22, 1963?

A second fact is that the rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD on Nov 22, 1963 had been Oswald's, and Oswald was the next-to-last party in possession of that rifle prior to the assassination. (Oswald will not have een the last party in possession of the rifle before the assassination if his intention on Nov 11 to prepare the rifle for a conveyance was accomplished.)

Care to explain how your "TRUTH and Facts" say that is was Oswald's rifle and that it wasn't Oswald's rifle?

[cobalt]

The US Government has put together a Task Force in the House to investigate JFK, RFK and MLK Assassinations. I would advise waiting to see what comes of it.

Precious little I would imagine. Employing militaristic terms like 'Task Force' is usually an indication of style over substance.

APT,

The timings which place Oswald on the ground floor at around 12.15 and the second floor at around 12.32 are an obvious undermining of the WC account. The response to this relies the self-referential assumption that LHO was guilty and a lone gunman therefore:

1. Fit FBI agents showed it was physically possible to reach the 6th floor, shoot the president and return in the times given.
2. The women were simply mistaken about the times.
3. No conspiracy would have relied upon a man whose movements could not be closely controlled or monitored thus Oswald must have acted alone.

The last point often appears on this forum, an interesting example of reverse logic. It assumes that the conspirators were committed to the single gunman theory whereas that construct emerged from the Warren Commission months later.

Some political reality from George Orwell.

He who controls the present controls the past.

Once power was transferred to Johnson in Dallas, the events of 22nd November were under the control of his administration. They opted for the rather unlikely combination of a lone gunman (and a highly politically engaged one) acting without any discernible political motive.

He who controls the past controls the future.

The conspiracy was only a partial success. Johnson did not use Oswald's political leanings as a pretext to invade Cuba which was surely a significant motive for the assassination. The escalation of US commitment to the Vietnam conflict was achieved, but as it turned out the social cost was very high as a generation of younger Americans became disillusioned about their own country. However that social unrest struggled to achieve a political momentum capable of exposing the conspirators and was effectively buried with the assassination of RFK.