JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Why was Ruby allowed into the Police department while they were parading the alleged killer of Tippit and Kennedy? And then let him into the basement and he just happens to know when Oswald is being moved?

Oswald was supposed to have left the building before Jack Ruby entered the building. The only reason that didn't happen was Oswald insisted on changing sweaters.

Which leads to possibilities.

* A mentally unstable club owner succeeded by dumb luck.
* The Conspiracy chose a mentally unstable amateur shooter. He botched the job by arriving late and succeeded only by dumb luck.
* Oswald was part of the Conspiracy to have himself killed and used his psychic powers to know he needed to delay long enough for the bumbling assassin to get there.

Any Conspiracy answer requires that the Conspiracy be composed of idiots who only succeeded by dumb luck.

That's before we consider that murdering Oswald doesn't help the Conspiracy in any way.

* If Oswald knew too much, he's been replaced by Ruby, who knows too much. The Conspiracy gains nothing.
* If Oswald was just a patsy, he's been replaced by Ruby, who knows too much. The Conspiracy is worse off than before it murdered Oswald.

[Fiver]

in any case Oswald proclaimed his innocence, that he never owned or purchased a rifle.

Oswald was carrying fake IDs in the name that had purchased the rifle. Oswald had his wife take photos of him holding the rifle. The rifle had his palm print in a place that could only have happened if he held it while the rifle was disassembled.

[FISHY1118]

That has nothing whatever to do with what you originally wrote nor what I wrote. That Johnson wanted a nice tidy conclusion is beyond doubt, and has never been disputed by me.

However, the investigation team were never steered towards any specific conclusion, they reached their conclusion with no input from Johnson.

Now your just being silly. Of course it is . Its right there in black and white. Another tick for the side of the truth.

[FISHY1118]

You’re being very free with the insults for someone who is regularly criticising others for far less Fishy. To be honest though I’m glad that you used that opening sentence because I read a book a while ago on why people fall for conspiracy theories and one of the reasons is a desire to be seen as ‘cleverer’ that those that disagree. A perfect illustration of the point by you.

You, and the rest of the conspiracy community (who believed Garrison’s 20 gunman, and the man with the loaded umbrella, and the sewer rat shooter, and Hickey’s accidental headshot, and White’s dodgy diary, and Jackie the killer, and Greer the gunman, and barking mad Badgeman, and the pathetic Prayer Man, and the three tramps who turned out to be three tramps, and the Airforce One operating theatre, and Woody Harrelson’s dad, and imaginary Saul, and Cooper’s ‘aliens did it’ theory, and the French drug dealers, and Nagel the nut job, and the loaded lookalike) can hold your heads up high as you have so much ‘brains and common’ sense as you compare yourself against those of us who have the wild theory that a disaffected, rather strange young man took his rifle and shot a famous person. I mean..how ‘crazy’ we are.

The irony isn’t lost on the rest of us Fishy. You are making such wild claims, and have been fed them for so long, that you’ve become immune to how bizarre they actually are. A lifetime of reading only conspiracy based books can only have helped your confirmation bias.

I'm just quoting the evidence as always , herlock ,

The warren commission was a lie . Can't be much clearer than that , and I will continue to show more evidence of that . You can do and say what you what you like .

[FISHY1118]

Your opening sentence should be asked in a room with a mirror.

Because he wanted to contain any wild, unfounded rumours, of Soviet involvement for very obvious reason Fishy. This wasn’t a game that was going on here. Johnson was the President. Do you really think that a man known as one of the wiliest political operators in American history is going to spill the beans on some kind of conspiracy over a phone line that was recorded? Come on.

Perfect cover wasn't it? .But we know the real reason for that statement,. Cmon work it out.

[FISHY1118]

Feel free to provide any source that supports your claim that LBJ ever said this.



Framing a man who defected to the USSR is a terrible idea if you don't want the evidence pointing towards the Soviets.



Feel free to provide any source that supports your claim that LBJ ever said this.

Any competent Conspiracy wanting nothing to be linked to the Soviets would frame a John Bircher or some such, not a Marxist who had previously defected to the USSR and recently visited both Cuban and Soviet embassies.

Who's running this Conspiracy - Moe, Larry, and Curly?

Why ?? When I do you only claim it was a lie , you go look it up yourself.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I'm just quoting the evidence as always , herlock ,

And ignoring evidence to the contrary.

The warren commission was a lie . Can't be much clearer than that , and I will continue to show more evidence of that . You can do and say what you what you like .

Your opinion that the Warren Commission was a lie is simply that Fishy. Your opinion.

[FISHY1118]

Ok. You’ve cut and paste the opinion of a man that you like the sound of.

I’ve just read through this piece 3 times and this guy is the perfect example of a conspiracy theorist. PLEASE I’m begging everyone on here to read what this clown is saying. It’s a veritable Conspiracy Theory handbook. For any fans of Viz magazine this guy really is Grassy Knollington.

https://thomassheridan.substack.com/p/grassy-knollington-too-funny-to-be

And THIS is the kind of person Fishy takes seriously and yet apparently he sees nothing wrong in anything that this guy posts. I’ve emboldened some of the worst but I could have done more. The guy should be applauded for fitting so much crap into one piece. Jim Garrison would have had him on the pay roll in a heartbeat.

Just showing evidence that the warren commission was a lie herlock , there is too much evidence that you in 10 lifetime couldn't ignore .

But wait .... I think I know your next post , they all lied , were mistaken, complete idiots, never existed.

Funny how your whole argument fits into these 4 categories.


Medical experts, Police officers, . Governors, people who were in Dallas on that day whos cameras were taken , who were never interviewed, who claimed the limo came to a complete stop .etc etc etc

Yer but lets pay no attention to them there all Conspiracy nut jobs right? . For God sake gimmi a break.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Perfect cover wasn't it? .But we know the real reason for that statement,. Cmon work it out.

Again, your opinion. We can all make erroneous deductions by claiming to read between the lines. Thats the problem with reading between the lines.

[FISHY1118]

Your opinion that the Warren Commission was a lie is simply that Fishy. Your opinion.

So everyone that contradicts it in your opinion are liars ? In your opinion?

[FISHY1118]

Again, your opinion. We can all make erroneous deductions by claiming to read between the lines. Thats the problem with reading between the lines.

I make deductions on the evidence .

[Herlock Sholmes]

Just showing evidence that the warren commission was a lie herlock , there is too much evidence that you in 10 lifetime couldn't ignore .

But wait .... I think I know your next post , they all lied , were mistaken, complete idiots, never existed.

Funny how your whole argument fits into these 4 categories.


Medical experts, Police officers, . Governors, people who were in Dallas on that day whos cameras were taken , who were never interviewed, who claimed the limo came to a complete stop .etc etc etc

Yer but lets pay no attention to them there all Conspiracy nut jobs right? . For God sake gimmi a break.

Do you not see the irony Fishy? You must do.

You criticise me for claiming that people lie and make mistakes whilst all the while claiming that people lied, faked evidence etc. I assume that it’s a case that only those on the conspiracy side have the ability to make judgments? I’ve already posted a very small section of the conspiracy theories that have been given credence by theorists which doesn’t exactly speak well of their judgment.

[Herlock Sholmes]

So everyone that contradicts it in your opinion are liars ? In your opinion?

Why do you have difficulty in differentiation the concept of error and lie? I’ve never said that everyone that supports a conspiracy is a liar.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I make deductions on the evidence .

And are you the only person capable of doing that Fishy? Vincent Bugliosi made a career from making judgments based on the evidence. He spent 20 years researching to produce the most detailed analysis of crime in the history of true crime. You dismiss that without reading it.

And before you accuse him of automatically being on the side of the government and its institutions consider that he also wrote a book called The Betrayal of America: How The Supreme Court Undermined The Constitution And Chose Our President - about the 2000 Presidential election. So he’s hardly a mouthpiece.

But if you prefer Garrison, Lane, Groden etc that’s up to you of course.

[scottnapa]

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Oswald was arrested at 1.50. They had the rifle and they had the fact that he’d killed Tippit and zero evidence of anyone else’s involvement so they made a natural assumption that he was acting alone. The words “..there was no conspiracy” appear to be the words of the author of the book so can we be certain that the word ‘conspiracy’ was actually mentioned aboard Airforce One or was it more a case of Johnson being told that the evidence pointed to Oswald acting alone in killing Kennedy.

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White says he listened to the tape in the archives. so it ia fact that it says conspiracy. How could the White House Command (CROWN) know so much at 3m?
It is a good question