JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Lewis C]

The racist tinge to the WC questioning is unmistakable from our vantage point in 2025. The three black employees are asked if they have ever been in trouble with the law but I have not come across that question being directed at white employees. Of course the questioners, who included future President Ford, would have known that a negative reply was forthcoming otherwise they would not have posed the question to helpful witnesses in the first place. Conspiracy theorists may see an implicit threat lying below the question.

If they knew that a negative answer was forthcoming, then it seems to me the more likely explanation for the question isn't that the WC was racist, but they knew that other people were, and they were anticipating attempts to discredit the witnesses, which they wanted to stop before they started.

I don't see any implicit threat in the question.

[C. F. Leon]

It's been reported that Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent that jumped in the rear of the presidential car to protect Jackie, had died at the age of 93.

[Pcdunn]

It's been reported that Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent that jumped in the rear of the presidential car to protect Jackie, had died at the age of 93.

That is very sad. He was a brave man who likely saved her life. He did his duty.

[FISHY1118]

There’s no need to hold your breath Fishy because there’s not a jury in the history of the world that would have dismissed Oswald’s rifle with Oswald’s prints on them after Oswald was witnessed by two people carrying a long package to work and that rifle (which was kept at Ruth Paine’s but was no longer there) was found on the floor where Oswald was working, in favour of the split second judgment of a man that had just been shot. Any jury would have taken all of 5 minutes to have come up with a guilty verdict (not to mention the fact that he’d shot Tippit - with his own gun) That’s ‘reasoning’ Fishy. You have simply latched on to one piece of evidence and sought to eliminate numerous other pieces of rock solid real evidence in its favour.

Yes but Herlock, all those that you mentioned have had counter claims and evidence summitted that contest those findings , my point being if ever there was a trial all that evidence would have been used to show doubt ,thus a jury would have to give a not guilty verdict .

[FISHY1118]

And the emboldened and underlined part is the significant one. Any shooter on the Knoll wouldn’t have known the state of the bullet after passing through Kennedy’s head. He could have had no level of confidence therefore you are stating that the plotters were relying entirely on a piece of good fortune; on the bullet breaking up into so many pieces that they wouldn’t have been able to accurately count the bullets fired.

So again we find ourselves needing to believe that a group of plotters who had the wherewithal to plant evidence, fake photographs and x-rays, to set up a corrupt autopsy followed by an equally corrupt commission and yet….they were idiots relying on luck. Can you really believe that?

The majority of the damage to the head appears to have been caused by a soft–nosed bullet, a type designed to break apart on impact, while all the non–fatal wounds were caused by metal–jacketed bullets, which were designed to remain intact. The shells found on the sixth floor of the TSBD were all from the same batch, and must have contained the same type of bullet. The implication is that either the soft–nosed bullet was fired from elsewhere, or it was fired from the sixth floor by a second gunman.


But its not passing through, that the point of a soft nosed bullet its ''designed to break apart on impact''


Of course a professional hitman who probably was an expert in his craft would know this , i doubt he would have had any doubt as to what the his perticular bullet choice would have done upon impact .


Where is the fatel bullett that struck the head of jfk , if we have c399 in almost perfect condition, where is the 3rd bullet that should have gone through his head In /Out ?

While all the non–fatal wounds were caused by metal–jacketed bullets, which were designed to remain intact. The shells found on the sixth floor of the TSBD were all from the same batch .

[FISHY1118]

Actually, I suppose it could be pointed out that there was a trial - albeit for US television purposes. Lawyers conducted the prosecution and defence, legal procedures were followed, everything was conducted as if it were a real trial, and although it can be argued that it wasn't a totally genuine trial, Oswald was found guity with a unanimous verdict.

'' although it can be argued that it wasn't a totally genuine trial''....... Without a real jury,, kinda makes a hugh difference one would think.

[FISHY1118]

Your quote comes verbatim from here.

Your source provides no evidence to support its claim that the JFK headshot was caused by a soft-nosed bullet. It also makes no sense. A competent Conspiracy wouldn't use metal-jacketed bullets if they had soft-nosed bullets available and they definitely wouldn't use both if they were trying to frame a lone gunman.

To prove the soure totally wrong ,all you have to do is show Evidence of the 3rd bullet shot from the TSBD was caused by a metal jacketed bullet ,just like C399.

[FISHY1118]

Speaking of C399........ I hear a lot of talk about crazy conspiracy plotters , but beliving anything that comes from the Warren commissions ''lone gunman 3 bullet theory'' is about as crazy as it gets .



The Magic Bullet: Commission Exhibit 399




A bullet was discovered on a stretcher outside the operating theatre in Parkland Hospital, Dallas, at around the time when Governor Connally was undergoing emergency surgery. The Warren Commission was told that this bullet was of the same type as those found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and that it had been fired from the rifle discovered on the sixth floor.1

Several problems soon emerged with the nature and provenance of what became known, derisively, as the magic bullet. The CE 399 Bullet and Connally’s Wounds


It became clear that this bullet alone could not have caused all of Connally’s injuries:

• Despite the great destruction it had apparently caused, the bullet had suffered very little damage. Its base was slightly squashed, and its copper sheath possessed several fine scratches, but the bullet was otherwise intact. It was supposed to have destroyed four inches of one of Connally’s ribs and shattered the radius bone in his wrist, one of the densest bones in the human body. To determine whether the condition of the bullet was consistent with these injuries, two sets of tests were conducted:
  • The US Army fired ten similar bullets into the wrists of human cadavers. In all ten cases, the bullets were severely damaged.2
  • The FBI fired two bullets into tubes of cotton. Both of these bullets displayed a minimal amount of damage, just like CE 399.3
• More metal had been deposited in Governor Connally’s wounds than was missing from the bullet. The surgeons who operated on Connally noted several tiny fragments of bullet lead in his wrist, as well as a larger fragment in his thigh. Other fragments may well have been washed out when the wounds to the torso and wrist were cleaned prior to surgery. The only part of the CE 399 bullet which was not sheathed in copper, and from which the lead fragments could have come, was the base, but the only piece missing from the base was a very small sample taken by the FBI for testing. Even without that sample and another taken from the nose, the weight of the bullet was within the normal tolerance of intact bullets.4

The Provenance of the Bullet


It also became clear that the bullet presented to the Warren Commission had not come from Governor Connally’s stretcher.

There had been two stretchers outside the operating theatre: one had held Connally, while the other had had no connection with either Connally or Kennedy. Darrell Tomlinson, the hospital employee who discovered the bullet, was insistent that he had found it on the other stretcher.5

Not only had no bullet been found on Connally’s stretcher, but the bullet produced in evidence was not in fact the one discovered at the hospital. The Warren Commission’s bullet, Commission Exhibit 399, was not shown to Tomlinson during his testimony. Another hospital employee, O.P. Wright, who also saw the bullet on the stretcher, was not called to testify. Three years later, a researcher showed a photograph of the CE 399 bullet to Wright, who claimed that the bullet he had seen on the stretcher was of an entirely different type.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes but Herlock, all those that you mentioned have had counter claims and evidence summitted that contest those findings , my point being if ever there was a trial all that evidence would have been used to show doubt ,thus a jury would have to give a not guilty verdict .

The weight of evidence would have been overwhelming and juries go look for facts. They wouldn’t have been taken in by all the talk of planted prints and stuff like that. It’s spy novel stuff and the jury live in the real world. By the time that the jury had said that they were ready to go back and deliver their verdict the judge wouldn’t have had time to take his wig off back in his chamber.

There was actually a mock trial (as has been pointed out recently) and they found Oswald unanimously guilty. Yes, not a real trial of course, but it was still a case of the evidence (including the evidence that you alluded to to) being placed in front of exactly the kind of people that would have formed a real jury. They had a very highly regarded defence lawyer in Spence plus a teal of experts including Cyril Wecht and witnesses who were there on the day. Bugliosi won easily because the evidence overwhelmingly pointed to a guilty Oswald.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The majority of the damage to the head appears to have been caused by a soft–nosed bullet, a type designed to break apart on impact, while all the non–fatal wounds were caused by metal–jacketed bullets, which were designed to remain intact. The shells found on the sixth floor of the TSBD were all from the same batch, and must have contained the same type of bullet. The implication is that either the soft–nosed bullet was fired from elsewhere, or it was fired from the sixth floor by a second gunman.


But its not passing through, that the point of a soft nosed bullet its ''designed to break apart on impact''


Of course a professional hitman who probably was an expert in his craft would know this , i doubt he would have had any doubt as to what the his perticular bullet choice would have done upon impact .


Where is the fatel bullett that struck the head of jfk , if we have c399 in almost perfect condition, where is the 3rd bullet that should have gone through his head In /Out ?

While all the non–fatal wounds were caused by metal–jacketed bullets, which were designed to remain intact. The shells found on the sixth floor of the TSBD were all from the same batch .

So our genius conspirators used two different types of bullet and just hoped that no one would notice?

Really Fishy?

[Herlock Sholmes]

'' although it can be argued that it wasn't a totally genuine trial''....... Without a real jury,, kinda makes a hugh difference one would think.

So how would a real trial jury have differed from a mock trial jury? And please don’t say something like..a mock trial jury wouldn’t have tried so hard or that they wouldn’t have been bothered. A jury is a jury. 12 citizens viewed the evidence and found Oswald unanimously guilty..as ghetto clearly was.

[Herlock Sholmes]

To prove the soure totally wrong ,all you have to do is show Evidence of the 3rd bullet shot from the TSBD was caused by a metal jacketed bullet ,just like C399.

I can prove by solid evidence that someone fired from the 6th floor (there was a gun there plus cartridges) That they were there cannot be disputed.

What evidence do you have that there was a man firing from behind that fence? And I’m talking of tangible evidence and nothing about disputed angles or bullets (magic or otherwise)

We know that the answer is that you have no evidence. The police checked the location and found not the slightest evidence that anyone had stood there. Therefore there hadn’t been a gunman there unless he could levitate.

[cobalt]

So our genius conspirators used two different types of bullet and just hoped that no one would notice?

The conspirators were not wedded to the lone gunman theory. Their aim was to assassinate the President so it would matter little to them whether there was one gunman, two or three. The more the merrier really in terms of the authorities chasing down different leads. So long as Communist sympathiser Oswald could be linked to the conspiracy it didn't matter about anybody else.

There was, if not a touch of genius, certainly a hard boiled intelligence at work. The decision to take the tight turn down Elm Street has been explained as to do with ramps preventing a right turn when approaching the triple underpass from Main Street. That does not sound to me like a problem so major it could not have been resolved and I don't know if any individual ever took direct responsibility for that decision.

In addition the President's security detail, as well as Jesse Curry, were nervous about protests from the Dallas anti-Kennedy caucus which was extremely vocal. Less than a month earlier Adlai Stevenson had been manhandled in Dallas and they feared a repeat, most likely around the Trade Mart. The security team were unhappy about this venue since it was too open so the bulk of their agents were allocated there in anticipation of Kennedy's arrival. Thus having negotiated the larger than expected and perhaps surprisingly friendly crowds, the security personnel in the motorcade could have been forgiven a moment's relaxation as they approached the thinning crowds in front of the triple underpass. From an assassin's perspective it was a very good moment to strike.

[Fiver]

I think I've covered why Norman and Jarman did not confirm Oswald being there. They had no reason to pay any attention to him so quite likely did not notice his presence. And once Oswald was in custody they had even more reason not to remember seeing him there even if they had. None of this precludes Oswald from being the shooter on the 6th floor, and it certainly does not exclude him from organising the assassination in some way. But it does seriously undermine the WC account.

Oswald claimed he was in the lunch room with Harold Norman and James Jarman when JFK was killed. That's his alibi.

Oswald never mentioned Danny Arce or Jack Dougherty being in the lunch room. That's a strange omission if Oswald really was in the lunch room. Arce, Dougherty, Jarman, and Norman all denied that Oswald was in lunch room.

At the time of the shootings, Harold Norman, James Jarman, and Bonnie Ray Williams were not in the lunch room. We have photographic evidence that they were on the 5th floor at that time.

So Oswald lied about having an alibi.

[Fiver]

The majority of the damage to the head appears to have been caused by a soft–nosed bullet, a type designed to break apart on impact, while all the non–fatal wounds were caused by metal–jacketed bullets, which were designed to remain intact.

You quoting this multiple times doesn't change anything.

Your source provides no evidence to support its claim that the JFK headshot was caused by a soft-nosed bullet. It also makes no sense. A competent Conspiracy wouldn't use metal-jacketed bullets if they had soft-nosed bullets available and they definitely wouldn't use both if they were trying to frame a lone gunman.