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[Fiver]

Upon his capture in a theater less than two hours after Kennedy was killed, Oswald was wearing a brown shirt composed of dark blue, grey-black and orange-yellow cotton fibers over a white T-shirt

Note the word white in that quote.

Note that Oswald's white undershirt is clearly visible in the photo since he did not fully button his shirt.

[Fiver]

He described a man wearing light coloured clothes.

Oswald was wearing a brown shirt, which contained black fibres.

He was not wearing light-coloured clothes.

Brennan wasn't called in to identify Oswald's shirt.

Brennan's description of Oswald's clothing somewhat inaccurate.

Brennan's description of Oswald was accurate.

[Aethelwulf]

The people who catalogued the clothes saw what Oswald's shirt looked like.

They weren't the witnesses though so this argument, same as all the others, is meaningless.

[Fiver]

You are, I am afraid, misrepresenting the eyewitness evidence.

Neither Brennan nor Edwards mentioned brown clothing.

I provided a colour photograph of the shirt.

It is obviously not light-coloured clothing.

Edwards mentioned a white or yellow sport shirt, not a white t-shirt.


Contrary to your claim that I have 'concocted another pointless line of argument', I have, as always, adhered to the actual evidence.

I suggest you do the same.

You are the one misrepresenting evidence. Brennan got the shirt color wrong, but you act as if Oswald was identified by the color of his shirt.

And you deliberately, repeatedly ignore the evidence of Brennan's description of Oswald.

Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 24 years old.

"He was a white man in his early 30’s, slender, nice looking, slender and would weight about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit." - Howard Brennan

The police report given based in Brennan's description was "White male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, 165 pounds."

Officer Tippett asked the dispatcher to repeat that description just before he stopped Oswald.

When Brennan saw Oswald in a police lineup, he said Oswald looked like the man he saw shooting JFK, but that he could not be certain.

Brennan wasn't called in to identify Oswald's shirt.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Howard Brennan gave an accurate description of Oswald.

He described a man wearing light coloured clothes.

Oswald was wearing a brown shirt, which contained black fibres.

He was not wearing light-coloured clothes.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The people who catalouged the clothes were not witnesses in question. Therefore your argument is totally meaningless.


I was overly generous earlier when I said another totally pointless line of argument that you've concocted. Given the rather handy composite of Oswald and coloured shirt, what I should have said is, another totally pointless line of argument you copied and pasted from some crank conspiracy website.

The people who catalogued the clothes saw what Oswald's shirt looked like.

They were definite that it was not light-coloured and contradict what you claim.

I did not copy and paste an argument from a website.

I copied and pasted the fact that Oswald's shirt was made of dark blue, grey-black and orange-yellow cotton fibres.

Where do you think that website - which you call a crank conspiracy website - got that information?

It was from the FBI.

You can find the same description - fibers of dark blue, gray‐black and orange-yellow shades - at

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/28/archives/scientific-police-work-traced-bullets-to-rifle-oswald-owned.html

Light-coloured shirts are not made from dark blue, grey-black and orange-yellow cotton fibres.

You are plainly wrong about that shirt being light-coloured.

[Fiver]

Howard Brennan and Robert Edwards both claimed to see a man at the window on the sixth floor, with boxes stacked behind him.

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.

Neither witness described a brown shirt, which is what Oswald was wearing.

Suspects aren't put into lineups so that witnesses can identify their shirt.

And the photo you post show that Oswald's shirt was not fully buttoned, exposing his white undershirt.

[Fiver]

He said the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

Oswald was not.

Suspects aren't put in a lineup so that witnesses can identify their shirt.

Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 24 years old.

"He was a white man in his early 30’s, slender, nice looking, slender and would weight about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit." - Howard Brennan

The police report given based in Brennan's description was "White male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, 165 pounds."

Officer Tippett asked the dispatcher to repeat that description just before he stopped Oswald.

Howard Brennan gave an accurate description of Oswald.

[Aethelwulf]

They were described by the Warren Commission as follows:

150	Man's brown shirt.	515
151	Man's light-brown cotton long-sleeved sport shirt.

The people who catalouged the clothes were not witnesses in question. Therefore your argument is totally meaningless.

What was actually said:

Howard Brennan and Robert Edwards both claimed to see a man at the window on the sixth floor, with boxes stacked behind him.

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

White t-shirt and light brown shirt. That is light coloured clothing.

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.

Seems he was correct. He was wearing white.

Neither witness described a brown shirt, which is what Oswald was wearing.

Given a quick look at someone a distance away sounds like a good description to me.

I was overly generous earlier when I said another totally pointless line of argument that you've concocted. Given the rather handy composite of Oswald and coloured shirt, what I should have said is, another totally pointless line of argument you copied and pasted from some crank conspiracy website.

[Pcdunn]

Would you call this light-coloured?

I wouldn't call it light colored, but I would call it light-weight. (Which is sensible in Texas.)

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

please see my reply below



light brown

Here are photographs of Warren Commission exhibits 150 and 151.

They were described by the Warren Commission as follows:

150	Man's brown shirt.	515
151	Man's light-brown cotton long-sleeved sport shirt.

Here are the photographs of them:






It is quite clear that exhibit 150, above, is dark and exhibit 151, below, is light.


Exhibit 150 is a black-and-white photograph of the shirt whose colour photograph I have already provided - the one you describe as light brown.


Upon his capture in a theater less than two hours after Kennedy was killed, Oswald was wearing a brown shirt composed of dark blue, grey-black and orange-yellow cotton fibers over a white T-shirt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle

Several times that day, Oswald was dragged before the cameras. The available footage shows he was still wearing the dark brown shirt he was wearing when arrested.

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-4b-threads-of-evidence

The shirt under discussion was not light-coloured as you keep claiming.

[Aethelwulf]

please see my reply below

I wrote:

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.


You replied:

White t-shirt and light brown shirt. That is light coloured clothing.



I wrote:

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.


You replied:

Seems he was correct. He was wearing white.



You are, I am afraid, misrepresenting the eyewitness evidence.

Neither Brennan nor Edwards mentioned brown clothing.

I provided a colour photograph of the shirt.

It is obviously not light-coloured clothing.

Edwards mentioned a white or yellow sport shirt, not a white t-shirt.


Contrary to your claim that I have 'concocted another pointless line of argument', I have, as always, adhered to the actual evidence.

I suggest you do the same.

light brown

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Please see my replies below



Another totally pointless line of argument that you've concocted.

I wrote:

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.


You replied:

White t-shirt and light brown shirt. That is light coloured clothing.



I wrote:

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.


You replied:

Seems he was correct. He was wearing white.



You are, I am afraid, misrepresenting the eyewitness evidence.

Neither Brennan nor Edwards mentioned brown clothing.

I provided a colour photograph of the shirt.

It is obviously not light-coloured clothing.

Edwards mentioned a white or yellow sport shirt, not a white t-shirt.


Contrary to your claim that I have 'concocted another pointless line of argument', I have, as always, adhered to the actual evidence.

I suggest you do the same.

[OneRound]

Howard Brennan and Robert Edwards both claimed to see a man at the window on the sixth floor, with boxes stacked behind him.

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.

Neither witness described a brown shirt, which is what Oswald was wearing.

Oh come on!

Maybe Oswald's shirt should have been put on a parade with a few other random shirts and he should have been released without charge if his wasn't picked out.

Best regards,
OneRound

[Aethelwulf]

Please see my replies below

Howard Brennan and Robert Edwards both claimed to see a man at the window on the sixth floor, with boxes stacked behind him.

According to Brennan, the man was wearing light-coloured clothing.

White t-shirt and light brown shirt. That is light coloured clothing.

According to Robert Edwards, the man wore a white or yellow sport shirt.

Seems he was correct. He was wearing white.

Neither witness described a brown shirt, which is what Oswald was wearing.

There were probably lots of other things that they didn't describe. Given a quick look at someone a distance away sounds like a good description to me.

Another totally pointless line of argument that you've concocted.