Mary Jane Kelly found?

[Debra A]

She was Edward Davies' daughter, Debs, and John Weston Davies' sister. I haven't got time to translate the article now, but - if I remember! - I'll do so tomorrow evening.

Thank you, Gareth. I had an inklng it was a sister...but which one?! Elizabeth was the daughter of Edward and sister of John Weston..One other died young and the article mentions three daughters....is it Matilda, Hannah or Elizabeth?

duff duff duff duff duff duff

[Sam Flynn]

I could ID my wife by her toes too. I suspect I could identify her by the nail of her little toe.

Too much information

[Sam Flynn]

There is another article in the Welsh papers database that may be of interest but it is in Welsh, also.
It has something to do with a death of a woman relative of Edward Davies of Aberangell and John Weston Davies of Gloucester.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view...16/3193219/21/

She was Edward Davies' daughter, Debs, and John Weston Davies' sister. I haven't got time to translate the article now, but - if I remember! - I'll do so tomorrow evening.

[GUT]

Setting fire to the bed would mean a lot of attention dream to the murder scene very quickly. The murder would be discovered very quickly and the smoke and flames could be noticed as the ripper exits. The mutilations allowed the ripper a large gap between leaving and discovery

The Maxwell and Lewis sighting make me wonder if the murder actually too place shortly before the discovery. However the screams would indicate otherwise. So much conflicting evidence!!!

What screams?

The simewhat muffled cry if murder, a cry that from some reports was pretty common aroun the East End.

[GUT]

On the subject of Barnett's identification, I think it sound. He insisted that he could identify the victim as Kelly and he said why that was the case. Lighting is not an issue for me. (I could identify my wife just by looking at her toes.)

If the object of the mutilation had been to conceal the identity of the victim it would surely have been easier - and quicker - to set fire to the bed?

I could ID my wife by her toes too. I suspect I could identify her by the nail of her little toe.

[RockySullivan]

On the subject of Barnett's identification, I think it sound. He insisted that he could identify the victim as Kelly and he said why that was the case. Lighting is not an issue for me. (I could identify my wife just by looking at her toes.)

If the object of the mutilation had been to conceal the identity of the victim it would surely have been easier - and quicker - to set fire to the bed?

Setting fire to the bed would mean a lot of attention dream to the murder scene very quickly. The murder would be discovered very quickly and the smoke and flames could be noticed as the ripper exits. The mutilations allowed the ripper a large gap between leaving and discovery

The Maxwell and Lewis sighting make me wonder if the murder actually too place shortly before the discovery. However the screams would indicate otherwise. So much conflicting evidence!!!

[Bridewell]

On the subject of Barnett's identification, I think it sound. He insisted that he could identify the victim as Kelly and he said why that was the case. Lighting is not an issue for me. (I could identify my wife just by looking at her toes.)

If the object of the mutilation had been to conceal the identity of the victim it would surely have been easier - and quicker - to set fire to the bed?

[Bridewell]

And there we go with the ignore maxwell....and Lewis I might add and why? Cos it doesn't fit, it is unfortunate that 'bury you're head and in the sand' is always the answer

I, for one, don't ignore Maxwell and Lewis. I did suggest some time back that their sightings were a reason to query Bond's estimate of the time of death, rather than to question the identity of the victim.

A friend of mine who is a master joiner gave the opinion that the external injuries to MJK could have been caused in seconds with a draw knife. I think it was Bond who (as a doctor) said a minimum of two hours to inflict all the injuries. It would be interesting to have the opinion of a butcher on the same issue. If the answer was, for the sake of argument, '20 minutes' then there is no need to discard Maxwell and Lewis as unreliable or mistaken witness (or to postulate that MJK murdered a doppelganger in order to disappear). She could have left London and, if need be, changed her name. Easily done without the need for a substitute victim.

[Debra A]

Wynne, any genealogical thoughts on this 1878 news item, found by Paddy, which mentions Elizabeth?

A bit difficult to snip it up and post it, but if you go to this site and search for "Elizabeth Weston Davies" (in quotes) you'll see it :



http://newspapers.library.wales/

There is another article in the Welsh papers database that may be of interest but it is in Welsh, also.
It has something to do with a death of a woman relative of Edward Davies of Aberangell and John Weston Davies of Gloucester. They are both mentioned in the piece and something about other family members. Apart from that I don't have a clue but the Aberangell mention would suggest it is the same family as the EWD mentioned in Pat's article, and is the correct family going by the mention of Gloucester.
Can anyone translate it?

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3193216/3193219/21/

[Robert]

Wynne, any genealogical thoughts on this 1878 news item, found by Paddy, which mentions Elizabeth?

A bit difficult to snip it up and post it, but if you go to this site and search for "Elizabeth Weston Davies" (in quotes) you'll see it :

http://newspapers.library.wales/

[Prosector]

Thanks Ozzy, Abby and others who have come to my aid. I'm not deliberately staying away from the forums and I certainly intend to stay engaged in the future, in part it is that there's just so many questions to attempt to answer and,it just so happens, the day job has become extremely busy at the moment. However it s difficult to respond to some correspondents who are just plain abusive. I don't expect everyone to accept my theories or indeed to like the book but there is a simple answer - don't buy it.
If there are any particular issues that I can address I'd be happy to try to do so but it's impossible to answer insults that are not accompanied by any specific points or questions.
Prosector

[Abby Normal]

A thought.

What would this Casebook look like if everyone employed Occam's Razor?

Would it have a distinctly "blotchy" look?

I think so. I do anyway.

[caz]

Jack is the gift that keeps on giving. I wonder just how much money this serial killer from the 19th century has made, and will continue to make, for all kinds of amateur sleuths looking to make a quick buck? At least Dr. Weston-Davies' motive for writing this book has a veneer of respectability.

When will people get it into their head that writing a ripper book - good, bad or ugly - is just about the daftest way for anyone to try and make a 'quick' anything? Stacking supermarket shelves on a zero hours contract is arguably more profitable on an hourly rate basis, but nobody ever accuses shelf stackers of looking to make a quick buck, do they?

Even Patricia Cornwell made fewer bucks, and paid out far more in research costs, when venturing into the field with Sickert, than she would have done if she had spent that time writing more of her best-selling novels.

Love,

Caz
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[barnflatwyngarde]

Umm, Principle of Parsimony.

That's och aye's razor.

Nice one!

[Robert]

Umm, Principle of Parsimony.

That's och aye's razor.