The ALLEGED photograph of Mary Jane Kelly

[Cogidubnus]

My vote would go to Johnjo, though, as you & others have suggested.

It's a good call Bridewell, though I wonder too about "Jonty" or "Johnty"

Agree about typesetting too...as one who used to phone last-minute bus timetable corrections to old-fashioned typesetters...agggh...don't even go there!

Regards always

Dave

[Semper_Eadem]

Hi, Semper,

Welcome to the Boards by the way, and thanks for some perceptive early contributions.

The point about type-setters misreading the handwriting of journalists is a good one. I suspect it happend a lot - "Cadoseh" for Cadosch is one example.
Another, I suspect, is Mrs Buki, who is probably a Mrs Buke, several of whom can be found, including Elizabeth Buke, aged 73 years who is shown as living at 39, Orchard Place, Woolwich Dockyards in the 1891 census.

Just touching on the likelihood of someone being referred to as "John 2" by his army colleagues (as referred to in an earlier post). When I worked for Royal Mail, there were two Tony's in the office, both of whose surnames (the usual tie-breaker) began with the same letter. They were (& still are) known as "Tony 1" & "Tony 2". My vote would go to Johnjo, though, as you & others have suggested.

Best Wishes, Bridewell.

Hi Bridwell,

I have enjoyed your posts, I'll take your word for the John 2 as that makes sense and I know nothing about army life/slang. The cloeset I got was working as a deckhand back in the 90's...

[Cogidubnus]

Sally:-

Yes Mum!

Dave

[Bridewell]

Good Point

I think Js and T's got mixed up back then because of the way folks wrote them.

Here you have a journalist taking a statement and writing out what he hears. Then at the paper they type it up. Now if the person doing the typing isn't familiar with how that reporter wrote his Js and Ts then it is possible Johnjo became Johnto.

The same thing happened with my grandfathers first name Torrence on the 1930 federal census. It became Jorrence, it was a real pain trying to find him believe me.

Hi, Semper,

Welcome to the Boards by the way, and thanks for some perceptive early contributions.

The point about type-setters misreading the handwriting of journalists is a good one. I suspect it happend a lot - "Cadoseh" for Cadosch is one example.
Another, I suspect, is Mrs Buki, who is probably a Mrs Buke, several of whom can be found, including Elizabeth Buke, aged 73 years who is shown as living at 39, Orchard Place, Woolwich Dockyards in the 1891 census.

Just touching on the likelihood of someone being referred to as "John 2" by his army colleagues (as referred to in an earlier post). When I worked for Royal Mail, there were two Tony's in the office, both of whose surnames (the usual tie-breaker) began with the same letter. They were (& still are) known as "Tony 1" & "Tony 2". My vote would go to Johnjo, though, as you & others have suggested.

Best Wishes, Bridewell.

[Semper_Eadem]

That is a wide brimmed hat. I wonder where the light is hitting her? I played Pappy Dolittle in High School when we did Pygmalion.

[Sally]

Oh Sally, your dropped H makes me feel so young all over again!

Dave

'Ere! (best Eliza Doolittle impression).

Has that helped?

You know what they say, Dave, you're only as young as you feel. Or something..

[Semper_Eadem]

Actually, yes, her eyebrows are quite light - if her hair was black, it would look a bit odd. So maybe her air was lighter than it looks to be in the photograph?

I noticed that right off. Looks like she is wearing a wig because of the difference in shading between her eyebrows and hair.

[Cogidubnus]

East End Mum

So maybe her air was lighter than it looks to be in the photograph?

Oh Sally, your dropped H makes me feel so young all over again!

Dave

[Sally]

So maybe her air was lighter than it looks to be in the photograph?

Silly, Lazy, Keyboard!

I meant 'hair' of course.

Not ears.

[Semper_Eadem]

Yes nowdays semper...think it covered a wider range from mid-blonde to ginger historically though...on balance I prefer "titian" actually Lynn!!

Dave

I always preffered Titan to redhead myself.

[Cogidubnus]

Yes nowdays semper...think it covered a wider range from mid-blonde to ginger historically though...on balance I prefer "titian" actually Lynn!!

Dave

[Sally]

Actually, yes, her eyebrows are quite light - if her hair was black, it would look a bit odd. So maybe her air was lighter than it looks to be in the photograph?

[Semper_Eadem]

Little tidbit, I always took the term flaxen to mean bright blond.. I always thought of Mary as having chestnut hair, a light brown perhaps with reddish tints?

[Cogidubnus]

Ear

Could well be Lynn...(daughters a "ginger", grandaughter's coppery-titian!)

The eyebrows definitely look somewhat flaxen!

Dave

[lynn cates]

flaxen

Hello Dave, Rob. Flaxen perhaps?

Cheers.
LC