The ALLEGED photograph of Mary Jane Kelly

[Herlock Sholmes]

It's my current one. They built things to last back then.

[Sam Flynn]

Is that an old one of yours Sam?

It's my current one. They built things to last back then.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Nothing so sophisticated, Richard. Victorian passports seem to have been little more than a one-page letter giving permission to travel. Here's an example:

Is that an old one of yours Sam?

[Sam Flynn]

Hi,
i thought that was the case, but the documents that she would have had, would have surely have some means of identification , even a verified address , and next of kin.?
Regards Richard.

Nothing so sophisticated, Richard. Victorian passports seem to have been little more than a one-page letter giving permission to travel. Here's an example:

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
i thought that was the case, but the documents that she would have had, would have surely have some means of identification , even a verified address , and next of kin.?
Regards Richard.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi,
I ask the question did passports of that era, have any image attached to them, to prove authenticity?.

No, unfortunately. Passport photographs were only introduced in 1915..

[Harry D]

Is there any chance of Catherine Kelly becoming Mary Jane Kelly?

Picture was taken circa 1873. That would put Catherine Kelly in her early 30s in 1888. Mary Kelly was 25?

Kelly is a common Irish surname. I don't see any reason to think this girl could be MJK.

[Leanne]

Catherine Kelly, 17, sentenced to 3 months guilty of stealing bed linen and was sent to Newcastle Gaol

Source: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/in-y...-19th-11278137

Is there any chance of Catherine Kelly becoming Mary Jane Kelly?

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
These old photographs can get the imagination running away, every nineteenth century portrait , has one thinking it could be . I doubt if any photo of Mary Kelly ever survived, at any age of her life.. I ask the question did passports of that era, have any image attached to them, to prove authenticity? as it was stated that McCarthy's son saw her passport, when his mother was parcelling up Kelly's belongings to send to her brother in the army, who appears to have been reluctant to get involved, but this is hearsay from one Fiona Kendall lane..but could well be correct.?
Regards Richard.

[Harry D]

Catherine Kelly, 17, sentenced to 3 months guilty of stealing bed linen and was sent to Newcastle Gaol

Source: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/in-y...-19th-11278137

[Leanne]

lizzie williams

[Leanne]

LIZZIE WILLIAMS:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lizzie+williams+jack+the+ripper&qpvt=lizzie+williams+jack+the+ripper&FORM=IQFRML

[Leanne]

Leanne, this all happened a long time ago but I think your post #248 shows Lizzie Williams :

https://www.livescience.com/20239-jack-ripper-serial-killer-woman.html

SOURCE: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...ly&FORM=IARRSM

[Michael W Richards]

Unfortunately, as we haven't definitively identified "Mary Jane Kelly" as an actual person, there's no way we can match her to any photograph taken in life.

That's the hard truth Sam, in fact I think at this point it would seem that the woman we know as Mary Jane Kelly was using an alias. Which isn't hard to reconcile with those times, hardly anyone had authenticating documents as to given names and birthplaces. I do find some symmetry with an alias choice based on the "courtesan" in Paris story a few years earlier and her abrupt return from the continent. Paris was a soup of anarchists, terrorists, separatists, double agents and spies from London during those years, it seems like the staging point for causing unrest in England,.... it has Millen links, Caron(Beach) links, Williamson and Anderson links, the dynamite plotters for the Jubilee celebrations,...I think if she was travelling with someone in the upper social circles in Paris she might well meet someone dangerous. Maybe she was one of the intelligence community in London for all we know.

I think that the descriptions of her in life support a probable Irish/Welsh heritage, that's about all I could say so far.

[Robert]

Leanne, this all happened a long time ago but I think your post #248 shows Lizzie Williams :

https://www.livescience.com/20239-jack-ripper-serial-killer-woman.html