"Murder...!" cry

[Wickerman]

No it's not wicky.

She was more than likely passed out drunk and undressed in bed when she was murdered.

So you don't believe those 'defensive' wounds, are defensive wounds?

[c.d.]

Hello Abby,

Appearing to be passed out or asleep isn't the same thing as actually being in those conditions. I can't rule it out but I have never understood why someone would try to come in on their own and risk her waking up and yelling as opposed to being invited in.

c.d.

[Abby Normal]

I agree, which is why I believe that she knew her killer and let him in.

c.d.

Hi cd
While I think that's more likely then her going out again, to me everything points to her being passed out and in bed when murdered. Which means someone came in on their own.

[Abby Normal]

Hello Abby,

I agree that she and her killer probably knew each other but that can run the gamut from current or former lover to someone she just met earlier that day.

c.d.

I agree. But I think it's probably something closer to inbetween.

[Abby Normal]

To claim she knew her killer, does not quite jive with the idea that a burglar broke in to murder her.

That is an example of 'special pleading' at its worst

No it's not wicky.

She was more than likely passed out drunk and undressed in bed when she was murdered. If not blotchy it was someone who knew her, knew where she lived. They could have peaked through her window and did the wiindow trick or They could have knocked on her door and when she didn't answer used the window trick.or combo of both. Or the door was unlocked.

And who is the only "witness " who states he stood Right outside her place in the middle of the night? That's right-hutch.

[Abby Normal]

If he'd said that he'd seen her eating from a bag of fish and chips, I'd be more inclined to believe him

I'm only half joking, by the way. A fish supper at approx 2AM would tally nicely with the food being partially digested if she'd been killed a couple of hours later.

Or blotchy treating her to some fish and chips on there way home from the pub.

She didn't go out again after blotchy.

[c.d.]

Hello Jon,

Not sure who you are arguing with here me or somebody else. I think the evidence points to her letting somebody in but I can't rule out that she might have gone out to look for customers. I don't think the fact that nobody saw her go out is that compelling since I doubt that her neighbors were keeping a close watch on her door.

I don't think that it was even necessary that she had previously "entertained" her visitor it might have simply been a case of buying her drinks maybe earlier in the week. My gut feeling is that he told her that he would come by at some point but showed up very late.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

I agree, which is why I believe that she knew her killer and let him in.

c.d.

I'm flexible on the definition of "knew". She only needs to have entertained him once before to know him. But in that respect he could still be a stranger.
Unless he was a neighbor.

So why couldn't she have brought him in?

[c.d.]

To claim she knew her killer, does not quite jive with the idea that a burglar broke in to murder her.

That is an example of 'special pleading' at its worst

I agree, which is why I believe that she knew her killer and let him in.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

To claim she knew her killer, does not quite jive with the idea that a burglar broke in to murder her.

That is an example of 'special pleading' at its worst

[c.d.]

not mine. she was done for the night after blotchy even if he wasn't her killer and the circs seem to indicate her killer and her knew each other.

Hello Abby,

I agree that she and her killer probably knew each other but that can run the gamut from current or former lover to someone she just met earlier that day.

c.d.

[Sam Flynn]

And I needn't remind posters who allegedly spotted Kelly in that precise location at that particular time.

If he'd said that he'd seen her eating from a bag of fish and chips, I'd be more inclined to believe him

I'm only half joking, by the way. A fish supper at approx 2AM would tally nicely with the food being partially digested if she'd been killed a couple of hours later.

[Abby Normal]

And I needn't remind posters who allegedly spotted Kelly in that precise location at that particular time.

if you say hutch I'm gonna puke

[Observer]

In that connection, we know from the Tabram case that there was a chandler's shop in Thrawl Street selling fish and chips until 2AM. I needn't remind folks which partially-digested food was found in Kelly's stomach.

And I needn't remind posters who allegedly spotted Kelly in that precise location at that particular time.

[Abby Normal]

If not Blotchy, then it's more likely in my view that she went out again and picked someone else up.

not mine. she was done for the night after blotchy even if he wasn't her killer and the circs seem to indicate her killer and her knew each other.